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#21 DirtyHarry50

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 10:01 AM

I got an XBox One controller for my iMac and I really like it. It is so much better than the Logitech F-510 I had been using for years. I am only gaming in Windows now though. In fact, my iMac is basically a Windows 10 AIO system. I have little reason to boot into macOS and allotted most of the hard disk space to Windows when I settled on how I wanted this system to be until I replace it. It's so nice to have any game I feel like playing just work. It is also so nice to have a configurable cloud storage solution that works exactly the way I want it to and it also just works. I love that I can keep all my photos, videos and particularly music up in the cloud and on an external drive for archival storage and access it directly from the cloud as desired. None of my data lives locally anymore wasting space and vulnerable to disk failures. The Groove Music player knows where my stuff is in the cloud automagically and I can stream my music from there both on the computer and iOS devices. Pure awesome.

It's pretty sad Apple is behind Microsoft on this stuff presently but they are.

I want an XBox One for its exclusives but I think I still want a gaming PC next time around. I need a desktop that does it all and sadly, Apple refuses to make them.

Anyway, you should get whichever console appeals to you personally and I hope you have a lot of fun with the one you choose. I think you will. I also think you will become increasingly comfortable with the controller as you use it more often and in genres you never needed to before such as shooters. I am very slowly starting to come around there myself but haven't spent too much time at it yet.
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Posted 13 September 2016 - 12:10 PM

View PostDirtyHarry50, on 13 September 2016 - 10:01 AM, said:

I want an XBox One for its exclusives but I think I still want a gaming PC next time around. I need a desktop that does it all and sadly, Apple refuses to make them.

Virtually all future Xbox exclusives will also be on PC. This includes the new Gears of War, Halo 6, Forza, etc.
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Posted 13 September 2016 - 02:29 PM

View PostSneaky Snake, on 13 September 2016 - 12:10 PM, said:

Virtually all future Xbox exclusives will also be on PC. This includes the new Gears of War, Halo 6, Forza, etc.

This. There's literally no reason to choose between them anymore. If you're thinking PC, do it. Phil Spencer, God bless him, is sending all the Xbox exclusives to the PC from now on as part of his new push to make Xbox more of a service than just a piece of hardware.
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When there's a multiplayer version, I'm going to be on Frost's team. Well, except he doesn't seem to actually need a team...I mean, what's the point? "Hey look, it's Frost and His Merry Gang of Useless Hangers-On!" Or something.

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 02:42 PM

I'm lazy as frak and not going to buy multiple gaming PCs for everyone in the house when I can just slap a couple xbones around. There's that. Lazy and a cheap a$$. Secret agent OSO lazy.
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Posted 13 September 2016 - 03:13 PM

I have been a console gamer all my life, starting on the NES in 1989. Currently I own both a Wii U and a PlayStation 4, which I got dirt cheap a few months ago. The PS4 is a nice system, downloadable games work just fine. I've been a PSN user from day one in 2007 and I'm still able to re-download and install titles like flOw on my current system. Sony's account system works quite well. But I can second Frost's statement: Stable frame rates are an issue on PS4, especially in open-world games. I'm currently playing Dragon Age: Inquisition, which runs at 1080p/30 fps, but sometimes dips below 20 fps. First party games are mostly fine: The Last of Us Remastered and the Uncharted Collection run at 1080p/60 fps and look great. PS4 Pro should fix most of these problems at 1080p, but it's underpowered for native 4K anyway.

To be quite honest: I might be a Nintendo fan and biased, but the 'underpowered' Wii U has more awesome first party and second party games looking great and running with constant frame rates than Xbox One and PlayStation 4: Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart 8, Super Mario 3D World, Rayman Legends, Wind Waker HD, Twilight Princess HD, Xenoblade Chronicles X, etc. are outstanding titles and run as soft as butter. If you can afford it: A decent gaming rig + a Nintendo console might be the best of both worlds, especially with the NX coming soon (March 2017).

I'm not into Windows, and my backlog is already massive, therefore I'll stick to mac/iOS + Nintendo and a PS4 for select titles (Uncharted, BioWare games). A Polaris-powered iMac or MacBook Pro in the not-too-distant future could be an option, too. I mean, the PS4 Pro delivers awesome value at 399, but it's still an entry-level PC for 1080p gaming with a Tablet-CPU and nothing to write home about. Xbox? It's a console without exclusives. The controller is great, but it works just fine on Mac or Windows, too. Not convincing at all.
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Posted 13 September 2016 - 03:27 PM

I don't see you on my Nintendo Friends list, I thought I had all 12 Wii U owners on there with me.

I kid I kid.

I probably play the Wii U and iOS games more than anything these days. Ever since I got that controller I just keep it and play whenever/wherever I have time. Good stuff like FF IX (which has been on my backlog for over a decade).
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Posted 13 September 2016 - 04:41 PM

View Postmacdude22, on 13 September 2016 - 03:27 PM, said:

I don't see you on my Nintendo Friends list, I thought I had all 12 Wii U owners on there with me.

I kid I kid.

I probably play the Wii U and iOS games more than anything these days. Ever since I got that controller I just keep it and play whenever/wherever I have time. Good stuff like FF IX (which has been on my backlog for over a decade).

Especially for old gits like us (you like to be old, aren't ye?) the Nintendo NX could be a great system: A decently specced gaming handheld with massive titles like Zelda Breath of The Wild? Count me in! I like to play RPGs like the latest Dragon Age or the upcoming Mass Effect Andromeda. But it's such a pain to boot up the PS4, conquer the living room TV and stare at loading screens just to complete some stupid side mission, collect shards, etc. My iPhone or the GamePad are sooo convenient. By the way: You should all download and play Teeny Titans on iOS. It's such a sweet, premium (!) priced little Pokélike-RPG. You'll love it. :teehee:
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Posted 14 September 2016 - 09:33 AM

1080p/30fps is definitely an issue for many games on both PS4 and Xbone.

Fallout 4, Witcher 3, Firewatch, DA: Inquisition, DE: Mankind Divided all have performance issues in at least a few areas. I found Fallout 4 to be literally unplayable and returned it after just 2 hours. It would drop to 20ish fps and sit there for 15 minutes and up.
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Posted 14 September 2016 - 11:44 AM

Hopefully that will be less of an issue with the new PS4 Pro when using a 1080p TV?

By the time I get around to a 4K TV set (it's not going to be broadcast mainstream for some time) there will probably be a faster replacement console to buy and I wouldn't mind upgrading to that in a few years if I can take my library of digital games with me - especially if it costs less than a good GPU.
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Posted 14 September 2016 - 11:48 AM

View Postmattw, on 14 September 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

Hopefully that will be less of an issue with the new PS4 Pro when using a 1080p TV?

It should be. The PS4 Pro has around a 30% more powerful CPU and 100% more powerful GPU than the standard PS4.

It will NOT upgrade games to 60 fps unless the developer patches the game to take advantage of the new hardware, but it should prevent framerate dips that were present before. Current games that are meant to run at 1080p/30fps are TRYING to do so and the dips are not planned. Giving the game a lot more hardware to work with should eliminate the dips altogether without requiring any patch.
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Posted 14 September 2016 - 04:33 PM

View PostSneaky Snake, on 14 September 2016 - 09:33 AM, said:

Fallout 4, Witcher 3, Firewatch, DA: Inquisition, DE: Mankind Divided all have performance issues in at least a few areas. I found Fallout 4 to be literally unplayable and returned it after just 2 hours. It would drop to 20ish fps and sit there for 15 minutes and up.

Fallout 4 should actually be better now, as I think they identified a few problem areas after launch and drastically reduced the number of drawn polygons onscreen for the consoles.

But yeah, even on the PC version with a Titan X, if you get in the right spot where you can see the whole Boston skyline... whoa, framerate!
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Posted 14 September 2016 - 07:03 PM

View PostFrost, on 14 September 2016 - 04:33 PM, said:

Fallout 4 should actually be better now, as I think they identified a few problem areas after launch and drastically reduced the number of drawn polygons onscreen for the consoles.

But yeah, even on the PC version with a Titan X, if you get in the right spot where you can see the whole Boston skyline... whoa, framerate!

I'm tempted to buy it for my gaming PC. Not nearly as good as yours, but still more powerful then the PS4 Pro.

Maybe next big sale.
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Posted 15 September 2016 - 09:01 PM

View PostJanichsan, on 08 September 2016 - 08:08 AM, said:


2.) Exchanging the hard drive in the PS3 and the older PS4 is fairly simple (I can't imagine this would be different with the new PS4 Pro). You will need a PC to download the system software, though.


Not trying to sway someone one way or the other, and seeing as how this conversation started about the PSPro this isn't entirely germane, but the XB1 happily accepts externals. I just tossed a $60 usb powered 1tb external on one of my XB1 to bump it to 1.5tb and it was super easy.

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Posted 16 September 2016 - 12:23 AM

View PostRev-O, on 15 September 2016 - 09:01 PM, said:

Not trying to sway someone one way or the other, and seeing as how this conversation started about the PSPro this isn't entirely germane, but the XB1 happily accepts externals. I just tossed a $60 usb powered 1tb external on one of my XB1 to bump it to 1.5tb and it was super easy.
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Posted 16 September 2016 - 01:45 AM

View PostJanichsan, on 16 September 2016 - 12:23 AM, said:

The keyword is externals. :P

Exactly. This is the same problem with the new Mac Pro versus the old one. Not everyone likes having a bunch of USB/FireWire/Thunderbolt crap hanging off their computer when a nice elegent internal solution will do just as well and be faster and cheaper to boot.
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Posted 16 September 2016 - 06:07 AM

View PostFrost, on 16 September 2016 - 01:45 AM, said:

Exactly. This is the same problem with the new Mac Pro versus the old one. Not everyone likes having a bunch of USB/FireWire/Thunderbolt crap hanging off their computer when a nice elegent internal solution will do just as well and be faster and cheaper to boot.

USB 3 external is fairly close to the same speed as the internal on an XB1, fwiw. I think it is nice to have the option to pop on an external. Relying only on externals is pretty silly, but no less silly than not providing the option/limiting functionality for an external.
But then there's the 360 and it's ridiculously locked down hard drive. At least MS moved away from that idea.

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Posted 16 September 2016 - 06:09 AM

Even though it is an expensive upgrade I think I'd go for an SSD as I'm reading about 40+ second load screens in some games which sounds annoying.

Even on SATA 2 an SSD should be much better than a 5200rpm disk and maybe the PS4 Pro will turn out to have SATA 3?
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Posted 16 September 2016 - 07:19 AM

SSD's are getting cheap enough that they are a real option for putting in the PS4. You can pick up a 500 GB SSD for not much more then a 500 GB 2.5" HDD these days.
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Posted 16 September 2016 - 05:16 PM

View PostRev-O, on 16 September 2016 - 06:07 AM, said:

USB 3 external is fairly close to the same speed as the internal on an XB1, fwiw. I think it is nice to have the option to pop on an external. Relying only on externals is pretty silly, but no less silly than not providing the option/limiting functionality for an external.
But then there's the 360 and it's ridiculously locked down hard drive. At least MS moved away from that idea.

I dunno, with the 360 you couldn't upgrade it using anything but an official option, but OTOH you could remove it and connect it to a PC over USB to back it up, transfer data, etc. with third party software. If it died (and my Xbox 360's original 250GB HDD DID fail on me so I know of what I speak here), you could just swap it out with a new one. Luckily the sectors of the drive with my save data were still accessible, so I was able to recover all my saves except one Mass Effect file. I just had to redownload all my games when I got the 320GB to replace it.

Xbox One, you get anywhere near the drive your whole console's warranty is void, and they even have a tamper alarm on the damn thing that reports in to Microsoft. I didn't like the 360's locked down drive formatting at all, but I still think it's loads better than the Xbox One's solution where it's married to the drive it shipped with till death do they part.
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Posted 19 September 2016 - 04:37 AM

Hmm, for around a grand I could own Xbox, PS4, Nintendo consoles and I already have the television. All I need to do is withdraw from WoW and get hooked on ESO and Diablo III I guess and I'll have plenty of money to blow on making a new backlog!

Wow. I am so excited now!

When are all three new console versions expected out?
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