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Posted 13 November 2015 - 11:58 AM

http://www.macgamestore.com/polls/

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Posted 13 November 2015 - 01:55 PM

I almost wish it wasn't as fast as it is. I don't want Apple getting any ideas. Although I'm sure they already have them.

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Posted 13 November 2015 - 02:37 PM

No doubt... "the end of Macs" ??? Scary thought huh.

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Posted 13 November 2015 - 03:26 PM

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Posted 13 November 2015 - 04:06 PM

Although I don't yet have my own iPad I've certainly wanted one for a while, especially when I use other folks ones from time to time.

My Mac is far more essential my my uses and then my iPhone 5 (which will need an update eventually but I like the smaller size) so it would still be a luxury and other things keep coming up that divert what could have potentially been iPad funds.

When the pro was announced I thought it would be too big but having seen one today I was really impressed. It seemed fine to hold and given  the performance I think rather than the Air 2 I would go with this if I decided on a full size tablet - the mini fits other uses so I may yet go that way.

The only downsides I see are the cost, not only the iPad itself but accessories and software looks to command a premium.

From a gaming point of view I found touch screens better suited to casual games - stuff I'd play on my Mac with a mouse and keyboard sucks with on screen controls. So despite the popularity and picking up many titles with sales and free app of the week I rarely game on iOS.
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Posted 13 November 2015 - 04:51 PM

View PostCougar, on 13 November 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

I almost wish it wasn't as fast as it is. I don't want Apple getting any ideas. Although I'm sure they already have them.
They have:

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"I think if you're looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?" [...]

"Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones."
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Posted 13 November 2015 - 05:44 PM

1) Pixel perfect control.
2) Ability to manipulate pixels in a pixel perfect setting.
3) Typing things fast and efficient.
4) Working with dozens of open documents fast and efficiently.
5) Multiple ways of getting work done that does not involve just one fat finger mashing a screen.
6) Games... real games, not that kindergarten crap that plagues mobile devices.
7) Actual drives of data you can manage and manipulate on your own terms, and shuffle that data from any other computer or device on your own terms.
8) Why am I still typing a list of why I would want a real computer over a glorified kids tool?

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Posted 13 November 2015 - 07:26 PM

View PostJanichsan, on 13 November 2015 - 04:51 PM, said:


I meant sticking ARM in a MacBook, but yeah. Tim would love it if we all switched to iPads.

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 01:17 AM

Why wouldnt you mind them sticking an ARM chip in a Mac? The iPad Pro blows low end Intel chips out of the water and battle with their current mid range chips, so you would just gain speed and save on electricity.

If I was Intel, I would be pretty fraking scared by now.
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Posted 14 November 2015 - 01:25 AM

View PostJanichsan, on 13 November 2015 - 04:51 PM, said:


Errr, that's kind of out of context. Context was him talking about a normal family or something considering their next computer purchase. The iPad certainly meets the needs of the majority of users out there in the world.

Desktop and notebook computers aren't going anywhere. Tablets are just going to start becoming the mainstream computing device. Desktop/Laptops will essentially be the pickup trucks of the computing world - still very popular, but seen as the larger, more powerful, productivity focused option. Tablets will be the economy car of the computer world.
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Posted 14 November 2015 - 08:13 AM

You know, on Thains note:

That would be a nice thing to start seeing... newer MacBook Pros with insane slim designs and low-heat-more-power output. Something to topple the leader is always good for the industry (the leader being Intel right now). AMD has long fallen short and is no longer even a contender unless you want something very cheap and moderately 'adequate'. But Intel has reigned for awhile now (who would think us Mac users would be all ooing/aaaing over INTEL?!). Maybe it is time something comes along and puts them into a panic?

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 08:24 AM

View PostSneaky Snake, on 14 November 2015 - 01:25 AM, said:

Errr, that's kind of out of context. Context was him talking about a normal family or something considering their next computer purchase. The iPad certainly meets the needs of the majority of users out there in the world.
...which means they expect to sell far less Macs, which makes it less worthwhile to maintain such a broad range of models. I agree that desktop computers and notebooks won't go away completely, but if their expectations become reality, it could mean that they axe some model lines completely – especially those aimed at the "average" user –, and that the remaining models get longer product cycles.

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 09:41 AM

View PostJanichsan, on 14 November 2015 - 08:24 AM, said:

...which means they expect to sell far less Macs, which makes it less worthwhile to maintain such a broad range of models. I agree that desktop computers and notebooks won't go away completely, but if their expectations become reality, it could mean that they axe some model lines completely – especially those aimed at the "average" user –, and that the remaining models get longer product cycles.

Yes, but it also means he wasn't saying "why would anyone ever want a computer - buy an iPad". Apple understands there's going to be that power-user need for a computer.

Maybe when iPads make up most of the casual market, computers will get more powerful specs by default. (a man can dream)
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Posted 14 November 2015 - 03:23 PM

View PostSneaky Snake, on 14 November 2015 - 09:41 AM, said:



Yes, but it also means he wasn't saying "why would anyone ever want a computer - buy an iPad". Apple understands there's going to be that power-user need for a computer.

Maybe when iPads make up most of the casual market, computers will get more powerful specs by default. (a man can dream)

It would be nice but I kind of doubt it as the R&D is mainly going into the mobile devices, the desktop benefited from the need for workstation and server hardware improvements. Contrast the recent history of the ARM based chips in iOS devices to the Xeon....
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Posted 14 November 2015 - 03:44 PM

View PostSneaky Snake, on 14 November 2015 - 09:41 AM, said:

Apple understands there's going to be that power-user need for a computer.
When looking at the product cycle of the nMP and the recent (15") rMBP upgrades, I can't really help but thinking that Apple is not really all too keen on supporting power-users…

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 06:52 PM

It seems awesome, although to be perfectly honest, after spending a year and a half on the iPad mini hype train I realized that for my uses, the iPad, even the mini, was too big to be readily portable unless I wanted to make cargo pants my attire 100% of the time, but too small and limited to challenge a proper laptop for actual productivity. Also, the more I used it for writing e-mails and whatnot, the more I got completely sick of typing on a touch screen.

Ended up changing from a 2008 MacBook Pro and iPad mini 2 to a 2012 MacBook Pro and this is serving me far, far better than my previous setup ever did, and I don't think more power or more screen real estate would have changed that. The only thing I miss is just casually sitting in a chair and reading an article or browsing a (this) forum on it.
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Posted 14 November 2015 - 08:11 PM

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 14 November 2015 - 01:17 AM, said:

Why wouldnt you mind them sticking an ARM chip in a Mac? The iPad Pro blows low end Intel chips out of the water and battle with their current mid range chips, so you would just gain speed and save on electricity.


...and none of my games would run, and I wouldn't be able to boot into windows. PPC days were painful, man. Don't want to return to them.

If I didn't game, then sure, it'd be great.

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Posted 16 November 2015 - 09:55 PM

View PostFrigidman™, on 13 November 2015 - 05:44 PM, said:

1) Pixel perfect control.
2) Ability to manipulate pixels in a pixel perfect setting.

I'm not even sure what you mean here.

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3) Typing things fast and efficient.

You mean on the full size keyboard cover that is getting rave reviews as being better than their laptop keyboards?

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4) Working with dozens of open documents fast and efficiently.

No argument here.

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5) Multiple ways of getting work done that does not involve just one fat finger mashing a screen.

Like.. a very accurate pen (being hailed as one of the best in the market) or keyboard shortcuts and swipe motions that can be made on the keyboard?

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6) Games... real games, not that kindergarten crap that plagues mobile devices.

This is arbitrary and meaningless.  I can get Baldur's Gate games on my iPad.  Are those "real games" to you?

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7) Actual drives of data you can manage and manipulate on your own terms, and shuffle that data from any other computer or device on your own terms.

When you're right, you're right...

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8) Why am I still typing a list of why I would want a real computer over a glorified kids tool?

I dunno.  It's not a glorified kids tool.  Its getting rave reviews from creative professionals, and daily-driver users.  I mean, i guess 2 out of 8 aint bad.

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Posted 16 November 2015 - 10:02 PM

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 14 November 2015 - 01:17 AM, said:

Why wouldnt you mind them sticking an ARM chip in a Mac? The iPad Pro blows low end Intel chips out of the water and battle with their current mid range chips, so you would just gain speed and save on electricity.

If I was Intel, I would be pretty fraking scared by now.

Ehh... not so much, really.  Those are all synthetic benches and the real-world testing is showing that they are still good, but not nearly blowing Intel out of the water at the low end.  

theyre doing good, for sure, but ARM is a long way off from being able to compete with even full power laptop chips, at least with current designs (I'm sure ARM could have a more full-power design if they wanted).

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 01:54 AM

View PostTetsuya, on 16 November 2015 - 10:02 PM, said:

Ehh... not so much, really.  Those are all synthetic benches and the real-world testing is showing that they are still good, but not nearly blowing Intel out of the water at the low end.  
For sure, for sure, but it still gives a good point at where they are comparable. Ars Technicas review shows that the iPad Pro outperforms the low end Macbook by a good margin in those synthetic tests.

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theyre doing good, for sure, but ARM is a long way off from being able to compete with even full power laptop chips, at least with current designs (I'm sure ARM could have a more full-power design if they wanted).
Full power yes, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple try and go for mid-end ARM chips in the near future. As it is now, I don't really see a reason not to go A10X in the Macbook.
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