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#1 macdude22

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 09:38 AM

So I am in the process of moving my Basement PC to my upstairs office area so I don't have to reboot to play World of Warships. I'm planning on replacing my 2008 Mac Pro with a mini at some point soon after (since I won't be gaming on it much anymore the energy savings alone will see ROI in a couple years). I've been eying up a top end i7 Mac Mini but after some research I'm not sure the i7 is really worth 200 bones over the i5. If it was quad core like my twerk mini that'd be a different story but I mean that 200 bucks is 78% of the cost of the Monitor I want to buy for what appears to be very meager gains for day to day use.

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Thinking I'll grab the 2.8GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5 w/ 2TB Fusion and 16GB ram vs the i7.

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 10:34 AM

What are you going to use it for?
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Posted 20 July 2015 - 10:47 AM

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 20 July 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

What are you going to use it for?

Mostly looking at pictures of Frost's mom. :teehee:

General Day to day stuff. Photos, web browsing, plex server, etc... Which actually most day to day things should be significantly faster than the Mac Pro since a lot of that stuff doesn't take great advantage of multicore processing and the single core performance on ol Pro'y is pretty low these days. I just can't see spending the extra 200 bones for under 10% overall performance increase. I'm honestly surprised at how little of a boost the i7-4578U has over the i5-4308U as I've been researching it.
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Posted 20 July 2015 - 10:54 AM

The 2.8 GHz Mini is using the Intel i5-4308U (specifications) which has hyperthreading. The only advantage the i7 chip has is 200 MHz (and 1 MB of L3 Cache, but that won't make much of a difference), which is not worth it in my opinion. Even if you were planning on doing a lot of gaming the 200 MHz isn't really going to help much.

The ONLY situation I can see the 200 MHz paying for itself would be if you were planning on having the CPU pinned constantly for rendering and stuff, which you aren't.
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Posted 20 July 2015 - 11:00 AM

View Postmacdude22, on 20 July 2015 - 10:47 AM, said:

Mostly looking at pictures of Frost's mom. :teehee:

You are going to need a very very very very VERY large monitor.
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Posted 20 July 2015 - 11:31 AM

View Postmacdude22, on 20 July 2015 - 10:47 AM, said:



Mostly looking at pictures of Frost's mom. :teehee:

General Day to day stuff. Photos, web browsing, plex server, etc...
Then the i7 is a total waste of $$$. Better shove those 200$ into tBCs retirement fond.

And then again, rendering those 123 pentapixel pictures of Frosts mom may actually require it..
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 12:28 AM

View Postmacdude22, on 20 July 2015 - 10:47 AM, said:

Mostly looking at pictures of Frost's mom. :teehee:

General Day to day stuff. Photos, web browsing, plex server, etc... Which actually most day to day things should be significantly faster than the Mac Pro since a lot of that stuff doesn't take great advantage of multicore processing and the single core performance on ol Pro'y is pretty low these days. I just can't see spending the extra 200 bones for under 10% overall performance increase. I'm honestly surprised at how little of a boost the i7-4578U has over the i5-4308U as I've been researching it.

I think you are right there. What is more, while various benchmarks may indicate such performance it is even less relevant in every day use as I'm sure you know. A 10% increase in performance on anything is pretty tough to notice if even possible unless the performance was so marginal or worse yet poor to begin with that a 10% bump helps to make it just good enough. That strikes me as a rather rare scenario.

I wouldn't blow 200 bucks on that personally. I stuck with i5 for the iMac because for my use, i7 just was not worth the money even though, sure it is faster, etc. It wasn't enough to justify the expenditure at all for my use.
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 01:38 AM

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 20 July 2015 - 11:31 AM, said:

And then again, rendering those 123 pentapixel pictures of Frosts mom may actually require it..
I think is that more a matter of GPU power, RAM and disk space – especially since pictures of Frost's mom are indelible and permanently burn themselves into the memory.

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 03:00 AM

It may be that the Mini doesn't have enough bandwith after all. I've heard that the electrons carrying the quantum molecular state information from pictures of Frosts mom are somehow larger. If that is true, gravity may also be affected, and thus the computer could implode on itself upon storing a single picture on the hard drive.

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 08:28 AM

Frost's mom.... heh heh heh heh heh heh.
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Posted 21 July 2015 - 10:57 AM

View PostJanichsan, on 21 July 2015 - 01:38 AM, said:

I think is that more a matter of GPU power, RAM and disk space – especially since pictures of Frost's mom are indelible and permanently burn themselves into the memory.

From the stuff I am reading here I think I might not care too much about what gets burned into the computer's memory, my own memory on the other hand is a source of some concern in this context. I mean, I could be totally wrong of course. I'm sure I must be. It's probably nothing.
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Posted 22 July 2015 - 11:45 AM

View PostJanichsan, on 21 July 2015 - 01:38 AM, said:

I think is that more a matter of GPU power, RAM and disk space – especially since pictures of Frost's mom are indelible and permanently burn themselves into the memory.
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Posted 22 July 2015 - 06:05 PM

View PostJanichsan, on 21 July 2015 - 01:38 AM, said:

I think is that more a matter of GPU power, RAM and disk space – especially since pictures of Frost's mom are indelible and permanently burn themselves into the memory.

Hell, pictures of Frost's mom will indelibly and permanently burn themselves into your retina!
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Posted 23 July 2015 - 04:24 AM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on 22 July 2015 - 06:05 PM, said:

Hell, pictures of Frost's mom will indelibly and permanently burn themselves into your retina!
Are you saying that Apple are upgrading their entire line just to accomodate pictures of Frosts mom??? It does make sense though. I mean, that would explain why everything has to have 'Air' in the name and be really light, so as to accomodate the extra weight gained by those pictures.
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Posted 23 July 2015 - 08:16 AM

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 23 July 2015 - 04:24 AM, said:

Are you saying that Apple are upgrading their entire line just to accomodate pictures of Frosts mom??? It does make sense though. I mean, that would explain why everything has to have 'Air' in the name and be really light, so as to accomodate the extra weight gained by those pictures.

This would be the very first time and the very last time Frost's mom will slide under a closed door.  I wanted to make a mathematical model of that but I kept running into divide by zero errors.  I don't think Frost's mom will even fit through an OPEN door.
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Posted 23 July 2015 - 08:26 AM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on 23 July 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

This would be the very first time and the very last time Frost's mom will slide under a closed door.  I wanted to make a mathematical model of that but I kept running into divide by zero errors.  I don't think Frost's mom will even fit through an OPEN door.

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Posted 26 July 2015 - 10:46 PM

Honestly.... getting a 2012 "Server" model might be more beneficial.. and cheaper.  

And those pack a real quad-core i7.  

I have a 2011 Server with the 2.0Ghz i7 in it and it is -noticably- faster even in day to day tasks than my previous machine (a 2012 Dual-core Core i5 @ 2.5Ghz) because of the four real cores and Hyperthreading.  Those dual-core laptop i5s are just weaksauce.  

... and if you stick to the 2012 model you can actually like.. do work on it.  

The RAM isn't soldered down, the drive(s) are accessible, you can replace or upgrade the Wireless module, etc.

The new Mini's, IMO, are trash.  

They really took a dump on the entire line with the current lineup.

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Posted 27 July 2015 - 01:52 AM

I absolutely agree with Tetsuya. Either get a 2012 model if you can find it, or wait for the forthcomming Skylake Mac Mini. The 2012 models are twice as fast as the 2014 models, when looking at CPU numbers. You will have to add an SSD manually though.
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