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Posted 19 May 2015 - 08:00 AM

http://flavours.interacto.net/

This is just a thread to keep tabs on the progress of Flavours for Yosemite. A beacon of light, of hope and intrigue that someday, the ugly assd piece of popsnizzle Yosemite can be usable through the use of 3rd party efforts.

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Posted 19 May 2015 - 03:14 PM

I am so looking forward to the release of this software. Glad you started this thread.
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Posted 19 May 2015 - 03:16 PM

Ya'll are weirdos if you think Flavor Flav is better than 10.10 UI

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 11:58 PM

That icon around his neck looks about as inspired as the iOS 7/8 and Yosemite icons.
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When there's a multiplayer version, I'm going to be on Frost's team. Well, except he doesn't seem to actually need a team...I mean, what's the point? "Hey look, it's Frost and His Merry Gang of Useless Hangers-On!" Or something.

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Posted 19 June 2015 - 11:28 AM

Rest in Peace Flavors 2. I got this in an email from them this morning.

"Apple introduced a new security policy on OS X El Capitan, preventing every process (even privileged ones) from modifying system files, either on filesystem or dynamically at runtime. Unfortunately, with these security restrictions in place, this is the end of line for Flavours.

They released a new version called Flavors 2 Lite and are selling it for 5 bucks for anybody that wants to use it until they upgrade.

I don't see the point unfortunately. It would only make me wish for what I cannot have in 10.11 and going forward I assume.
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Posted 19 June 2015 - 12:33 PM

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Posted 19 June 2015 - 01:59 PM

View PostDirtyHarry50, on 19 June 2015 - 11:28 AM, said:

Rest in Peace Flavors 2. I got this in an email from them this morning.

"Apple introduced a new security policy on OS X El Capitan, preventing every process (even privileged ones) from modifying system files, either on filesystem or dynamically at runtime. Unfortunately, with these security restrictions in place, this is the end of line for Flavours.

If they are referring to Rootless:

sudo nvram boot-args="rootless=0";osascript -e 'tell app "loginwindow" to «event aevtrrst»'

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Posted 19 June 2015 - 03:03 PM

Requiring an end user to disable system integrity protection (aka rootless) would not be a prudent business model IMO. I'm not sure how much is NDA or not so I'm not sure how much can be disclosed (seems to be a bit wishy washy with everything that is publicly available from the WWDC videos) If your product requires modification of SIP restricted files/locations such as

/System
/bin
/usr
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and there is no way around moving those files/modifications to Apple recommended other locations I think throwing in the towel is ok. Long term the benefits of these protections outweighs the downsides, even if it makes niche software like this impossible under SIP.

***EDIT*** Also the scuttlebutt is the nvram command method is temporary and the only method available at release will be through a Security Configuration app in Recovery. The boot-args is likely a stopgap for developers in the interim. The feature is kind of in flux still, it's hard to say what will and won't be doable in the release of el tBCsbutt.
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Posted 19 June 2015 - 03:20 PM

Watch this WWDC session for more general info.

https://developer.ap...dc/2015/?id=706
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Posted 19 June 2015 - 03:36 PM

And lets have a resounding "frak YOU APPLE" ... shall we?

They are like a sadistic parent that takes every nice thing away from their kids and locks it up.

But I guess considering how 'the general population' are becoming more and more stupid ... this is justified by apple? Maybe I long for the days of hidden power-user stuff that apps can link into and make some cool things happen. I mean, OSX is powerful... having it get more and more locked up and feature-dubmed-down ... is just getting silly now.

Apple wants to turn OSX into iOS it seems?

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Posted 19 June 2015 - 04:03 PM

Flavours 2 Lite has been released. They stopped development early because apparently flavours isn't possible on OS X El Capitan.

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Posted 19 June 2015 - 05:55 PM

View PostFrigidman™, on 19 June 2015 - 03:36 PM, said:

And lets have a resounding "frak YOU APPLE" ... shall we?

They are like a sadistic parent that takes every nice thing away from their kids and locks it up.

But I guess considering how 'the general population' are becoming more and more stupid ... this is justified by apple? Maybe I long for the days of hidden power-user stuff that apps can link into and make some cool things happen. I mean, OSX is powerful... having it get more and more locked up and feature-dubmed-down ... is just getting silly now.

Apple wants to turn OSX into iOS it seems?


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Posted 19 June 2015 - 07:33 PM

View Postmacdude22, on 19 June 2015 - 05:55 PM, said:

The old grognard in me says fak you apple. The hospital administrator in me says OMGBBQIRCNZBTHISISTHEGREATESTTHINGEVER

Haha I bet. The more kiosk-like the platform gets, the easier life is for all IT in the world.

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Posted 20 June 2015 - 03:18 AM

View Postmacdude22, on 19 June 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

Requiring an end user to disable system integrity protection (aka rootless) would not be a prudent business model IMO. I'm not sure how much is NDA or not so I'm not sure how much can be disclosed (seems to be a bit wishy washy with everything that is publicly available from the WWDC videos) If your product requires modification of SIP restricted files/locations such as

/System
/bin
/usr
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and there is no way around moving those files/modifications to Apple recommended other locations I think throwing in the towel is ok. Long term the benefits of these protections outweighs the downsides, even if it makes niche software like this impossible under SIP.

***EDIT*** Also the scuttlebutt is the nvram command method is temporary and the only method available at release will be through a Security Configuration app in Recovery. The boot-args is likely a stopgap for developers in the interim. The feature is kind of in flux still, it's hard to say what will and won't be doable in the release of el tBCsbutt.

While I wish we could have theming naturally I have to agree with you completely here.
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Posted 20 June 2015 - 09:48 AM

View Postmacdude22, on 19 June 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

Requiring an end user to disable system integrity protection (aka rootless) would not be a prudent business model IMO. I'm not sure how much is NDA or not so I'm not sure how much can be disclosed (seems to be a bit wishy washy with everything that is publicly available from the WWDC videos) If your product requires modification of SIP restricted files/locations such as

/System
/bin
/usr
/sbin

and there is no way around moving those files/modifications to Apple recommended other locations I think throwing in the towel is ok. Long term the benefits of these protections outweighs the downsides, even if it makes niche software like this impossible under SIP.

***EDIT*** Also the scuttlebutt is the nvram command method is temporary and the only method available at release will be through a Security Configuration app in Recovery. The boot-args is likely a stopgap for developers in the interim. The feature is kind of in flux still, it's hard to say what will and won't be doable in the release of el tBCsbutt.
If this turns out to be true, that would be a major kick in the nuts for Mac users in science: many UNIX based scientific applications install in /bin or /usr/bin and cannot simply be moved around.

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Posted 20 June 2015 - 10:18 AM

View Postmacdude22, on 19 June 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

it's hard to say what will and won't be doable in the release of el tBCsbutt.

Well, I can say this: Being in the the same room without adequate ventilation will definitely NOT be doable when El tBCsbutt releases ANYTHING.
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Posted 20 June 2015 - 09:11 PM

Well we have one IMG thread complaining about Apple's security vulnerabilities, and this one complaining about them trying to lock it down. Granted they can't please everyone, but lately it seems like they can't please ANYone..

Me, I just want the iTunes artwork button to properly toggle the miniplayer on AND off. (*)

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 08:14 AM

Well Matt, they seem to be taking a blanket approach to security. Turning the mac into nothing more than a gigantic handheld device that only lets you mash your thumbs on predestined spots on the screen with little hope to ever do anything more with it.

I guess I miss the days of a good mac os.

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 11:59 AM

View PostFrigidman™, on 21 June 2015 - 08:14 AM, said:

Well Matt, they seem to be taking a blanket approach to security. Turning the mac into nothing more than a gigantic handheld device that only lets you mash your thumbs on predestined spots on the screen with little hope to ever do anything more with it.

I guess I miss the days of a good mac os.
I don't disagree with the sentiment. Unfortunately the status quo isn't an option. Security is an ongoing battle.. I can't speak to the wisdom of this particular decision by them.
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Posted 21 June 2015 - 04:12 PM

Remember when various cool theming options were built into the Mac OS by Apple themselves, and third party apps just added more on top if those weren't enough for you?
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