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#21 Smoke_Tetsu

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 11:07 PM

I'm using Flavours to achieve theming. It's compatible with 10.7 and above and I'm using it on Mavericks. If it still works in Yosemite it'll be easy to bring back the Mavericks theme. In fact, barring HUGE changes to how the underlying theming system works even my retro Aqua themes (example) (2) as well as my retro platinum based themes will still work.

By the way, I could definitely see it being a tad more complex to support the family of GPUs the Mac supports over the ones in the iDevices. Even if they did bring Metal to OS X I could see them only supporting certain families of GPUs from either vendor. Such as Kepler and above for Nvidia and the equivalent on AMD's side. For AMD... they seem to only support GCN and above for MANTLE for example.
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Alex Delarg, A Clockwork Orange said:

It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

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Slower and faster? I'm sorry to hear such good news?

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 01:08 AM

View PostSmoke_Tetsu, on 02 June 2014 - 11:07 PM, said:

By the way, I could definitely see it being a tad more complex to support the family of GPUs the Mac supports over the ones in the iDevices. Even if they did bring Metal to OS X I could see them only supporting certain families of GPUs from either vendor. Such as Kepler and above for Nvidia and the equivalent on AMD's side. For AMD... they seem to only support GCN and above for MANTLE for example.
That's my expectation as well. DX12 supports Fermi, GCN, and Haswell and up because of their architectural similarity.

I suppose Sneaky Snake might be right then about architectural differences. I remember ImgTech having a big PR push to explain their architecture and tell people to stop counting cores because each of their cores have more ALUs and are more powerful. This is in reference to nVidia promoting the new Keplar-based Tegra having 192 CUDA "cores" whereas the highest end Series6 only has "6 cores". If Metal is tightly bound to the Series6 architecture with little abstraction then it can't come to OS X. I suppose it's a big win for ImgTech though since it suggests Apple will be sticking with them for a while.

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 01:31 AM

We'll see. Maybe Metal for OS X is something for 10.11. Apple seems to set value upon having similar APIs for OS X and iOS, like the fundamentally similar Cocoa and CocoaTouch, the newly introduced SceneKit or the updated SpriteKit. While having no interest in unifying OS X and iOS, they at least seem to want make both as similar as possible to make cross-development easy.

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 01:34 AM

We're just going to have to see if Apple is even going to add in the latest OpenGL stuff into Yosemite and enable "Approaching Zero Driver Overhead" techniques that Nvidia have been talking about lately that'll likely be leveraged at least in SteamOS. Either way, either of those things.. either a new API or updates to OpenGL will mostly really just benefit new games using those.
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Alex Delarg, A Clockwork Orange said:

It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

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Slower and faster? I'm sorry to hear such good news?

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 05:37 AM

http://forums.macrum...76&d=1401763394

OpenGL appears unchanged from Mavericks, at least for now.
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Posted 03 June 2014 - 06:17 AM

*sigh* ... so it still seems 10.6.8 is the last good OSX I will be on for the end of time. There is absolutely +NOTHING+ in 10.10 that would make me even ponder switching.

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 09:05 AM

View PostFrost, on 02 June 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

I'm also liking iCloud drive. Nice to see iDisk has finally come back, although hopefully this will have 100% less suck when it comes to sync problems.
Yeah, hopefully. as the prodigal sun returns; I find all this pretty amusing really. I was hoping that they would eventually fix their mistake with throwing away iDisk for whatever the replacement was...never used it myself. I also moved straight over to Dropbox after iDisk left I have also taken up using BiTorrent Sync, although it is rather finicky and kinda annoying to set-up initially, it is a really good system overall. I use it for both my iPhone camera backups and general document transfers.

Other than that, I am extremely interested in these new developments from Yosemite. I had not been this interested in new features for years...granted quite a few of them should have been added last year...

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 11:49 AM

I am really looking forward to the improved pairing with my iPhone. It'll be amazing to be able to take calls from clients and customers without having to pickup my phone.

And expanding the iMessage app to be able to do all messages (iMessage and SMS) is also awesome. I was always annoyed at my friends who had Androids since I couldn't message them from the desktop messages client
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Posted 03 June 2014 - 01:06 PM

View PostFrigidman™, on 03 June 2014 - 06:17 AM, said:

*sigh* ... so it still seems 10.6.8 is the last good OSX I will be on for the end of time. There is absolutely +NOTHING+ in 10.10 that would make me even ponder switching.

FWIW, im still partial to 10.6 as well (the Media Center Mini still runs 10.6.8), but Mavericks is loads, loads better than Lion or ML.  Ive been able to make Mavericks behave a lot like 10.6.  I think Yosemite might be similar, and i dont really have a beef with the flat look, (in fact, i want the flat dock back now..) and the under the hood improvements will eventually make it worthwhile to use...

just as soon as Hands Off! updates to support it.

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 06:28 PM

View PostFrigidman™, on 03 June 2014 - 06:17 AM, said:

*sigh* ... so it still seems 10.6.8 is the last good OSX I will be on for the end of time. There is absolutely +NOTHING+ in 10.10 that would make me even ponder switching.

Serious question...what would? Do you play games on 10.6? So many require the latest OpenGL drivers.

View PostDaveyJJ, on 02 June 2014 - 07:30 PM, said:

I feel sorry for the develop of Alfred. Clearly the new Spotlight is taking a lot of "inspiration" from that fantastic and indispensable free app that kicks the current version of Spotlight to the curb and runs it over multiple times.

I don't think Alfred will be Sherlocked. Apple will never make Spotlight as complicated or as extensible as Alfred.
I just hope the new Spotlight is more *reliable* than the current one. It seems to forget my Apps folder at random times.

View PostSmoke_Tetsu, on 02 June 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:


Also, I notice they are replacing the zoom\fit to content button with the fullscreen button and removing it from the right side. I wonder what we are supposed to do if we want to fit to size\zoom? Double click on the titlebar?

Yes, it's a stupid move. You can either double-click the titlebar or option click the button.

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 08:28 PM

View PostSmoke_Tetsu, on 02 June 2014 - 11:07 PM, said:

I'm using Flavours to achieve theming. It's compatible with 10.7 and above and I'm using it on Mavericks. If it still works in Yosemite it'll be easy to bring back the Mavericks theme. In fact, barring HUGE changes to how the underlying theming system works even my retro Aqua themes (example) (2) as well as my retro platinum based themes will still work.
Sweet.

Okay, now I'm fully looking forward to Yosemite.
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Posted 04 June 2014 - 05:29 AM

Something I think I might like in Yosemite is being able to put widgets into the notification center sidebar. Sure, one way you could look at it is sort of like "shades of the widget sidebar in windows" but it looked good to me in the keynote and it'll probably give me more excuse to actually toggle and use the notification center sidebar.
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Alex Delarg, A Clockwork Orange said:

It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

the Battle Cat said:

Slower and faster? I'm sorry to hear such good news?

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 08:47 AM

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 07:03 AM

So, what's the verdict before I upgrade?

Macrumors users report that Yosemite gives at minimum the same performance as Mavericks, and in some cases great increases in FPS.
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Posted 18 October 2014 - 10:01 AM

I'm vitally interested in Borderlands Pre-Sequel and Deus Ex: HR director's cut.  Won't upgrade if the Pre-Sequel take a hit.
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Posted 18 October 2014 - 10:03 AM

Borderlands Pre-Sequel seems to run the same (for better or worse) in 10.10.
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Posted 18 October 2014 - 12:35 PM

Awesome, thanks O bro O mine.  I'll wash your hat for that.
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Posted 18 October 2014 - 05:28 PM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on 18 October 2014 - 12:35 PM, said:

Awesome, thanks O bro O mine.  I'll wash your hat for that.

My diablo III mouse was tweaking out until I reinstalled the steel series engine though.
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Posted 19 October 2014 - 07:29 AM

Heroes of Newerth seem to lag for a second when switching from windowed mode to full screen now, but otherwise runs the same.
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Posted 19 October 2014 - 08:29 AM

View Postmacdude22, on 18 October 2014 - 05:28 PM, said:

My diablo III mouse was tweaking out until I reinstalled the steel series engine though.

My pride. SteelSeries Engine said I needed a critical firmware update now my Mac Pro kernel panics as soon as it gets to the login screen as long as the mouse is plugged in. Thanks SteelSeries.
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