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#1 Rygaard

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 08:21 AM

And its here
http://www.apple.com...g-Tomorrow.html
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:40 AM

Man, those things look awful.  And where is the foot peddle for when you want to throw trash into it?
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 11:06 AM

It's an ashtray, not a trash can.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 12:16 PM

yep who wants one of those -  way to ugly for me to own no way .. even if someone wanted to give me one, nope would not take it even if he at the same time donated 1.000.000$ to cancer research - no way I would litter my home with one of thous shiny metal boxes Cylinders filled with raw power...
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 12:36 PM

Well, I like it. Still dont get why they went for that design though.
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 01:30 PM

I'll probably wind up getting one down the road.  I just hope they improve the fugly look of it by then.
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 01:51 PM

Looking forward to the Dalmation and Flower Power editions in a couple years.
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 01:53 PM

It will be interesting to see if Thunderbolt takes off now and becomes more affordable.

Maybe in a year or two there will be a more affordable solution for 12+ TB of fast storage that makes the upgrade possible.

I'm still concerned the GPUs whilst great for OpenCL will be outdated quickly for gaming and that no upgrade options will appear.
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:03 PM

All Admins and Moderators should have theirs by now. IMG Writers are still on the "possible, depending on the amount of the bribes supplied" list.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:35 PM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on 18 December 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

I'll probably wind up getting one down the road.  I just hope they improve the fugly look of it by then.
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 03:07 PM

I think they look pretty cool. My problem with them is functionality sucks. No disc drive (I realize consumers don't use them so much anymore, but those of us who bought PowerMacs/Mac Pros for more than running videos really fast still do), they max out at 1TB of storage for a zillion dollars, AMD-only making them useless for professionals who use the far more prevalent CUDA, and Apple's profit margins on them make the previous Mac Pro margins look downright miserly.
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 03:19 PM

If they released a HDD/PCIe enclosure that stacked with the main unit and connected via 1-4 of the TB2 ports (depending on bandwidth required), that would probably assuage many of people's concerns. I personally think it looks fine, but form at the expense of function is, ahem, bad form. 8 RAM slots would make it a lot cheaper to max out, for example.

So, any suggestions for how best to connect 4 SATA HDDs and add an optical drive to this thing?

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 04:03 PM

View PostTesseract, on 18 December 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

So, any suggestions for how best to connect 4 SATA HDDs and add an optical drive to this thing?

Pegasus makes some nice external HDD/RAID enclosures: http://www.promise.c...&m=1159&&rsn=49

Other World Computing has a decent selection of Thunderbolt accessories, including external PCIe slots: http://eshop.macsale...Mercury_Helios/

The 4 RAM slots is kind of limiting currently with DDR3, but with DDR4 just around the corner I think that concern should be lessened. My understanding is that DDR4 is bring double the capacity a long with faster speeds, so your going to see 8, 16, and 32 GB RAM sticks, versus the standard 4, 8, and 16 currently.

Personally I like the new Mac Pro. I wish it had an upgradeable GPU though.
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 06:17 PM

Personally, I'd stay away from OWC's hardware for running multiple drives in one enclosure.

Pegasus looks pretty good, as does Sonnet.

For me, the turnkey solution I'm planning on offering professional customers is a Drobo 5D for storage array and Sonnet Echo 15 Pro+ for disc drive and connectivity needs. Combined with Apple's sky-high prices, it's not a very cost-effective solution, but it's about as cost effective as you're going to get on the Mac now without buying an older Mac Pro (which seems to be a pretty big option; if I'd known 6 months ago demand for the 12-core 3.06 GHz Mac Pros was going to be this high right now, I'd have taken out a loan and bought a pile of them before Apple stopped making them).
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 06:36 PM

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 18 December 2013 - 12:36 PM, said:

Well, I like it. Still dont get why they went for that design though.
It's the Cube all over again. Someone, somewhere, thought they could save money by cooling everything with one fan. It would be elegant (at the expense of all the ugly). It wouldn't require purpose-built graphics cards or storage, but those wouldn't hurt Apple any. This time they fixed the cracking problem, though. Not that they could stop it from cracking, no, but just make it black metal like an iPhone that looks scratched all to hell instead. These are the Apple designs you have not the Apple designs you might want.

View Postmattw, on 18 December 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

It will be interesting to see if Thunderbolt takes off now and becomes more affordable
A $3000 computer will do that for the Thunderbolt market. Storage and some pro-av stuff is all that Thunderbolt seems to offer, and a NAS is probably better for storage unless you really need it to be a few times faster and tied to only one computer. Otherwise, you're probably better off with a tower. And you might want some more CPU cores or something other than workstation-priced graphics cards. I guess the high-end $600 on top of $3000 upgrade to actually (underclocked) high-end cards isn't so bad if you're diving in head first, but it's not like 7 teraflops is a magic number or anything. Two R290's with the fan turned up will cost you $800 and give you 10-11-ish TFlops, so unless you think a $2000 tube case is worth a $200 discount on worse cards you'd be better off with a proper case, normal prices, and the option of keeping the storage in the case and not sucked through a TB straw.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 08:19 PM

View Postbobbob, on 18 December 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

A $3000 computer will do that for the Thunderbolt market. Storage and some pro-av stuff is all that Thunderbolt seems to offer, and a NAS is probably better for storage unless you really need it to be a few times faster and tied to only one computer. Otherwise, you're probably better off with a tower. And you might want some more CPU cores or something other than workstation-priced graphics cards. I guess the high-end $600 on top of $3000 upgrade to actually (underclocked) high-end cards isn't so bad if you're diving in head first, but it's not like 7 teraflops is a magic number or anything. Two R290's with the fan turned up will cost you $800 and give you 10-11-ish TFlops, so unless you think a $2000 tube case is worth a $200 discount on worse cards you'd be better off with a proper case, normal prices, and the option of keeping the storage in the case and not sucked through a TB straw.

The Mac Pro is actually pretty competitively priced with workstations from other OEM's. It's is an apple's to oranges comparison to compare gaming hardware to workstation hardware. Your paying extra for Xeon CPU's over i7's, you're paying extra for ECC RAM, you're paying extra for Workstation GPU's. That doesn't change whether you shop from Apple, Dell, HP, etc.

You can sit there throwing together gaming builds that will destroy the Mac Pro in gaming performance, but that's like laughing at a construction worker's 3500 HD pickup truck, cuz your crotch rocket goes faster.
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 10:08 PM

View PostSneaky Snake, on 18 December 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

You can sit there throwing together gaming builds that will destroy the Mac Pro in gaming performance, but that's like laughing at a construction worker's 3500 HD pickup truck, cuz your crotch rocket goes faster
I have a Xeon and ECC RAM. Dell's and HP's equivalents (to mine) were $1100 or so, but has since been superseded by Haswell since they're not incompetent at updates. These aren't even two-socket machines anymore, so the difference is tiny. Further, in Apple's case, they gain nothing from workstation graphics cards. I don't even know if theirs have ECC RAM, but the entry-level ones are crappy and overpriced anyways, so no one would do compute on those.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 11:10 PM

View Postbobbob, on 18 December 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

I have a Xeon and ECC RAM. Dell's and HP's equivalents (to mine) were $1100 or so, but has since been superseded by Haswell since they're not incompetent at updates. These aren't even two-socket machines anymore, so the difference is tiny. Further, in Apple's case, they gain nothing from workstation graphics cards. I don't even know if theirs have ECC RAM, but the entry-level ones are crappy and overpriced anyways, so no one would do compute on those.

Apple's do have ECC RAM.

Entry Level Dell Workstation at $1200 price point is: (Precision T3600) Quad 2.8 Xeon E5-1603, 4 GB DDR3 1600 regular RAM (non-ECC), 500 GB 7200rpm drive, 512 MB AMD FirePro 2270 GPU.

I build gaming PC's to make a living right now. I'm aware of what you can get for the price, and how a $800 gaming computer would beat the new Mac Pro in gaming performance. What I also know however, is that doing a Xeon E5-1620 build with dual D300's isn't cheap.
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Posted 19 December 2013 - 01:06 AM

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 01:54 AM

That 12-core Xeon EP is $2750 at retail, which means Apple is getting it at least a few hundred cheaper. All the rest of the components excluding the GPUs and including the case probably don't exceed $1000.

12-core is supposed to start at $7000 without any other options... those FirePros are either absurdly expensive even at wholesale, or Apple's profit margin on the new Mac Pro is batpopsnizzle crazy.
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