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#1 The Liberator

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 02:21 AM

So it has been released for a bit already. What are everyone's thoughts? How is the performance and stability? Worth upgrading now or wait?

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 02:34 AM

Some discussion here: http://www.insidemac...showtopic=45877

Personally I've upgraded and if you're on Lion already there is very little change on the surface except for some small aesthetics. The changes to power and memory use is definitely very useful though and actually noticeable.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 02:37 AM

As far as the aesthetics go I'm just glad they seem to be in the process of rolling back some of those custom resources in apps such as the faux leather in calendar.
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It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

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Slower and faster? I'm sorry to hear such good news?

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 06:54 AM

Well coming from what we've been seeing in support tickets... 10.9 has yet again broken a lot more games that used to work ok on 10.8/7/6. So upgrading from 10.8.5 to 10.9 is not 'safe' in terms of game compatibility. I would have thought anything that ran on 10.8, would still run on 10.9... but apple didn't learn their lesson, and repeated it yet again.

So, if you are thinking of updating to 10.9... make sure you are 'done with' all your games that developers are no longer supporting (which these days seems to be not much...).

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 07:33 AM

View PostHansi, on 31 October 2013 - 02:34 AM, said:

Well, that is embarrassing. I did not see that thread. I have been on hiatus from here for a while...

View PostFrigidman™, on 31 October 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

I would have thought anything that ran on 10.8, would still run on 10.9... but apple didn't learn their lesson, and repeated it yet again.
Hmmm, is that so? What a pity to read, as my mac gaming library I guess will dwindle even more.

I also agree about the new aesthetics to the apps, overall much better. I am however perplexed why the icons have not been updated accordingly.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 07:47 AM

View PostFrigidman™, on 31 October 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

Well coming from what we've been seeing in support tickets... 10.9 has yet again broken a lot more games that used to work ok on 10.8/7/6. So upgrading from 10.8.5 to 10.9 is not 'safe' in terms of game compatibility.
Out of curiosity: apart from the usual Cider "ports" that seem to break with every new version of OS X, what games are mostly affected?

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 08:30 AM

View PostFrigidman™, on 31 October 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

I would have thought anything that ran on 10.8, would still run on 10.9... but apple didn't learn their lesson, and repeated it yet again.
Well, OpenGL did get an overhaul in 10.9.
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Posted 31 October 2013 - 09:44 AM

Backwards compatibility simply is not in Apple's dictionary. They don't care if old stuff does not work. Its the job of all the developers to continually update their applications to work with all the new changes.

Sadly, developers do not get on the ball (if ever, as the case with most Ubisoft games) hah.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 01:54 PM

Huge performance boost to my Retina Macbook Pro over Mountain Lion. I've been running Mavericks since the beta.
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Posted 31 October 2013 - 06:49 PM

View PostSneaky Snake, on 31 October 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

Huge performance boost to my Retina Macbook Pro over Mountain Lion. I've been running Mavericks since the beta.
Same here on my Early 2008 MBP. I haven't tried gaming under OSX yet so I can't speak as to the reported nVidia driver issue, but general computing is significantly snappier.
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Posted 31 October 2013 - 10:12 PM

Well, I installed it last night. Nothing but trouble; mail refuses to work any more.

Although haven't tested much else, Finder seems to work. None of the data appears to have been corrupted it either.

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 12:55 AM

View PostThe Liberator, on 31 October 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:

Well, I installed it last night. Nothing but trouble; mail refuses to work any more.

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Like, at all? There's a problem with Gmail, but it should still be functional. Did you try rebuilding your mailbox?

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 08:59 AM

View PostCougar, on 01 November 2013 - 12:55 AM, said:

Like, at all? There's a problem with Gmail, but it should still be functional. Did you try rebuilding your mailbox?
It launches, and opens the window...sometimes. When (and if) it gets to that point, the app normally starts beach-balling for a while. In the minority, it will start working for a minute or two, and then it will beach-ball again and become completely unresponsive.

I eventually have to Force Quit it every time as it does not appear to escape the beach-balling.

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 09:36 AM

The new (old) dock sucks.  They removed the ability to go with a flat 2-D dock, even though they have the art for it when you move the Dock to the sides.  

I hate it.

Otherwise, seems decent.  Better performance on my late-2011 MBP by far, noticable battery life improvement.  A lot of the other features are simply ones i dont use as i already use 3-rd party solutions that i like better and are cross-platform (iOS, OSX, Android)

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 03:06 PM

I didn't think I'd mind the 3D dock but turns out it's pretty awful.  It obscures the icons, what's the use of that?
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Posted 01 November 2013 - 03:45 PM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on 01 November 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

I didn't think I'd mind the 3D dock but turns out it's pretty awful.  It obscures the icons, what's the use of that?
yep, thats why i hate it. I dont really LOVE the 2D side-dock, but it is a lot better.. and the graphics already exist.. so why cant i just set that flat side-dock look on the bottom eludes me.

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 04:57 PM

View PostThe Liberator, on 01 November 2013 - 08:59 AM, said:

It launches, and opens the window...sometimes. When (and if) it gets to that point, the app normally starts beach-balling for a while. In the minority, it will start working for a minute or two, and then it will beach-ball again and become completely unresponsive.

I eventually have to Force Quit it every time as it does not appear to escape the beach-balling.

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Yikes. Have you deleted Mail's preferences? Try a different account and see if it crashes there, too. That'll tell you if it's related to your Mailbox/prefs or not.

Hopefully Apple will release that update to Mail fairly soon rather than waiting for 10.9.1.

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 07:46 PM

I've been using airmail so I hadn't noticed any issues going on with mail.app here.
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Alex Delarg, A Clockwork Orange said:

It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

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Slower and faster? I'm sorry to hear such good news?

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 10:04 AM

I have a weird problem ever since upgrading to Mavericks.  Whenever I open Entourage it now automatically opens a new mail window and prompts me for an email address.  I can't see any options in the prefs for this, it's getting quite annoying.
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Posted 06 November 2013 - 06:45 AM

View PostCougar, on 01 November 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Yikes. Have you deleted Mail's preferences? Try a different account and see if it crashes there, too. That'll tell you if it's related to your Mailbox/prefs or not.

Hopefully Apple will release that update to Mail fairly soon rather than waiting for 10.9.1.
Well, whatever was happening I found a couple of solutions for it. I removed all of the internet accounts in System Preferences. I also deleted the Mail sub-folder in the Library folder.

Everything else has appeared to be fine, although a couple of times general usage has been slightly sluggish; Spotlight has also been a bit slow too.

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