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[Diablofett]

Mac Native Client released... yay.

http://forums.ddo.co...ad.php?t=402138

[Janichsan]

Oh, nice! DDO is the only MMORPG I'm playing from time to time.

Woah! I just noticed the system requirements. But apparently that's only due to limited testing.

[Diablofett]

Yes, I am not a fan of the 10.7+ requirement. Some people have gotten it to run on 10.6.8. I will possibly give it a try when I have time to play, but I am definitely not upgrading the OS for a game.

[TheBunny]

Hi Diablofett,

Remember that 10.7 introduces a complete rewrite and modernization of the Open GL stack on OSX.
For game devs this is a really attractive target, OpenGL 3.2, modern shaders etc.
This it is a real tangible reason for user to upgrade the OS.

[Sneaky Snake]

Diablofett, on 30 January 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

Yes, I am not a fan of the 10.7+ requirement. Some people have gotten it to run on 10.6.8. I will possibly give it a try when I have time to play, but I am definitely not upgrading the OS for a game.

Why not just go straight to 10.8 ? it's pretty much just 10.7 with a lot of the bugs ironed out. Their system requirements are very confusing and don't make a lot of sense.

They say if your on a 13" MBP you need HD4000, but if your on a mini then HD3000 is fine. They also say you'll need a 650M, why not the 6750M - since it's way faster then the HD4000? I'm sure the 6750 (and the 9600M) will work, but it just seems odd how they worded everything, and might through some people off who have those components, but don't know a lot about their computer (ie: you might get people 'upgrading' their 2.2 GHz quad 15" MBP with 6750M to a 13" MBP with HD4000)

[Thain Esh Kelch]

Yes, don't ever stop at Lion...

[Janichsan]

Sneaky Snake, on 31 January 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Their system requirements are very confusing and don't make a lot of sense.

As I said, it's apparently due to limited testing. A quote from the announcement post:

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These system requirements are based on the hardware used during the porting and validation effort. As a result, they reflect the newest hardware available from Apple.

I just finally found the time to test the Mac client, and I'm 100% sure that it will also run on less capable hardware than stated. I had it running at ultra-high settings at 1440x900 on my MBP, and it ran silky smooth. Other than that, it's noticeable that it's a beta (few minor graphical glitches, some UI errors), but by and large, it runs pretty well and stable already (apart from a crash on quitting).

Oh yes, regarding the possible OpenGL 3.x requirement: I noticed that all optional Direct X 10 and 11 eye candy is greyed out, so it apparently running on a pure DX9 level — so it seems unlikely that OpenGL 3.x is really necessary.

[Sneaky Snake]

Janichsan, on 31 January 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

As I said, it's apparently due to limited testing. A quote from the announcement post:


I just finally found the time to test the Mac client, and I'm 100% sure that it will also run on less capable hardware than stated. I had it running at ultra-high settings at 1440x900 on my MBP, and it ran silky smooth. Other than that, it's noticeable that it's a beta (few minor graphical glitches, some UI errors), but by and large, it runs pretty well and stable already (apart from a crash on quitting).

Oh yes, regarding the possible OpenGL 3.x requirement: I noticed that all optional Direct X 10 and 11 eye candy is greyed out, so it apparently running on a pure DX9 level — so it seems unlikely that OpenGL 3.x is really necessary.

What MBP do you have?

[Janichsan]

Sneaky Snake, on 31 January 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

What MBP do you have?

A mid-2012 15" Retina MBP with 2.6 GHz i7 — which basically would scrape the bottom of the given system requirements regarding the GPU.

[doh123]

Janichsan, on 01 February 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:

A mid-2012 15" Retina MBP with 2.6 GHz i7 — which basically would scrape the bottom of the given system requirements regarding the GPU.

that is NOT scraping the bottom.. way above it.  Their requirements aren't accurate, they just listed what they tested with, not what is actually needed.  When they say Intel HD graphics works... a 650m is MUCH better.

[Janichsan]

doh123, on 01 February 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

that is NOT scraping the bottom.. way above it.

I tend to forget that irony doesn't transport well over the internet...

I'm of course aware that the 650M isn't a slouch — nevertheless, it's the slowest Nvidia GPU given in the requirements (simply by being the only Nvidia GPU....).

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Their requirements aren't accurate, they just listed what they tested with, not what is actually needed.

Which is exactly what I said.

[Sneaky Snake]

Janichsan, on 01 February 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

I tend to forget that irony doesn't transport well over the internet...

I'm of course aware that the 650M isn't a slouch — nevertheless, it's the slowest Nvidia GPU given in the requirements (simply by being the only Nvidia GPU....).

I wonder how the 8600M/9600M will do, since they are faster then the hd3000

[Diablofett]

TheBunny, on 31 January 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

Hi Diablofett,

Remember that 10.7 introduces a complete rewrite and modernization of the Open GL stack on OSX.
For game devs this is a really attractive target, OpenGL 3.2, modern shaders etc.
This it is a real tangible reason for user to upgrade the OS.

I am aware of all of that, however, I work in the audio field and require 10.6.8 due to certain software I use for my setup and work. A newer version of OpenGL is not exactly going to help out with that, now is it?

[Tesseract]

I kind of expected this, since it's apparently based on the same engine as LotRO. So likely the same reasons for the 10.7 requirement (whatever they might be).

[Tetsuya]

Diablofett, on 02 February 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

I am aware of all of that, however, I work in the audio field and require 10.6.8 due to certain software I use for my setup and work. A newer version of OpenGL is not exactly going to help out with that, now is it?

You can always run 10.6.8 in a VM via Parallells.

[Sneaky Snake]

Diablofett, on 02 February 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

I am aware of all of that, however, I work in the audio field and require 10.6.8 due to certain software I use for my setup and work. A newer version of OpenGL is not exactly going to help out with that, now is it?

Does 10.8 definitely break your audio software?

[Diablofett]

Sneaky Snake, on 03 February 2013 - 12:46 AM, said:

Does 10.8 definitely break your audio software?

Yes it does, as some software I use requires Rosetta. I need 10.6.8.