Frost, on 13 September 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:
All right, you guys think there's a good market for iPad mini, I don't. I especially don't see how a 7" tablet is in any way more portable than a 9.7".
Until you've actually held one, it wont make any sense to you. It is susbtantially easier to pick up and use. (ill cover more of why below).
Neither one fits in your pocket (unless you're into BAGGY cargo pants)
The Nexus 7 fits into the back pocket of my pants (not that i'd carry it there) easily, and it fits in the leg pocket of my cargo pants (which arent very baggy) with room to spare. I didnt try it, but it might fit into the pocket on my slacks, and would certainly fit in the inside pocket of my trenchcoat and suitcoats.
, ergo you need to find a way to carry them, making them alternately just as easy or just as much a hassle to take around with you as a real book. The only real difference in portability is weight, to which I say carrying around the equivalent of six iPhone 4s is tiring, but four is totally not? Really? Really? I think your ~5 kilogram arm, how much you use it, and how you're holding it is going to make a much bigger difference in time to muscle fatigue at those weights. As it is, all the tablets on the market weight less than your average ~350 page hardcover book.
Not that anyone I know reads hardcover, but going to my bedroom and grabbing the copy of White Knight
(Dresden Files) i had sitting there (412 pages), the book is lighter than my iPad by a good bit.; my iPad 2 is *substantially* heavier than the Nexus 7. I read about 200 pages worth of a novel on the Nexus i was borrowing, and never once felt the slightest bit of fatigue. holding my iPad 2 in the same fashion for more than 15 minutes causes fatigue. There's more going on here than just weight - its also distribution of weight. If i ask you to hold a 5lb weight in your hand, it isn't that bad. If i ask you to hold a a 4lb weight on the end of a 1lb stick, you're going to give up in just a few minutes. While that's a bit of an overstatement, the concentration of the device (the 7" form factor is a lot smaller than the 2" and some change in screen size would lead you to believe) makes it easier to hold.
Anyway, my main point is does Apple think they're viable and a good addition, regardless of what we think. I know Steve hated the idea, and I thought indicators said no before Sept 12th and I still do. I don't think we're going to see an iPad mini unless or until they find a way to make it more compelling than just a slight size reduction, and they adjust their pricing structure so that either iPod Touch or prospective iPad mini customers aren't going "WTF is this, I'm paying almost the same price for something bigger and faster." Where the iPad mini fits in the currently line is where Apple products for the past decade and change have tended to disappear, not debut, and that's why I think it's a no, at least for the near future.
Again, you're probably the only person ive ever met or seen who thinks of the iPod Touch as a miniature tablet. It simply doesn't handle any of the functions i use my tablet for except playing music or maybe watching video. I think when Apple rejiggers the lineup, itll drop the iPad 2 and bring an iPad 'mini' (with iPad2-like-specs) to market for 349$. It's still got Apple's redonkulous profit margin, but dips just cheap enough to lure people away from the Kindle Fire HD and Nexus 7 (because most people will want the pricier model with more storage) - because people are willing to pay an agreeable premium to buy an Apple product.
I dont think Apple is going to overlook Amazon basically opening fire on them with the Fire HD - which by every report ive been able to find from someone who had hands-on with one at the launch event is quite a nice little device - because they could lose a lot of customers to the lure of a full HD tablet with respectable horsepower for 300 bucks cheaper. Apple needs to do something.
And then they need to get iOS out of the Steve-zone stoneage. iOS6 is barely worth the upgrade and contains almost no functional necessities or improvements beyond iOS5 for the average consumer. The word "stale" doesnt quite cover it.
When i can pop open my phone and with one glance learn all the info that (in iOS) would require me to open and close six different apps....
Houston, we have a problem.