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#41 the Battle Cat

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:51 PM



View PostFrost, on 14 September 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Hey man, I would totally balance it out by clicking dislike on the myriad crappy posts around here, but this new software doesn't have the nifty little + and - anymore, just this big ugly puke green "√ Like This." I guess now if you dislike a post, you're just supposed to flame them like we used to do on usenet.

I can set it to go back to the + and - thingy if folks are up for that.
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 01:03 PM

Yes, that would be good.  That way I can go back to downvoting all of your posts.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 06:48 PM

I meant "folks besides Eric".  It's simple to tell if you are Eric or not: sit in a tub of water and if it turns black you are Eric.
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 06:52 PM

I'm against that, having down-votes just makes people vindictive and or petty in my opinion. I mean just look at Duke4.net's forums. I think we are fine just having a like button. I know Eric was probably joking but some people really do go around downvoting other peoples posts just becuase they don't like the person and others see a person getting down-votes and it makes them want to add to it because of a kind of momentum.

Also nobody likes having their posts down-voted and some people get downright paranoid thinking it's a certain person that tends to down-vote them that's always doing it. It just serves to up the tension and pettiness in my opinion. Also it encourges herd mentality because many posts that don't follow popular opinion, right or wrong get down-voted.
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Alex Delarg, A Clockwork Orange said:

It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 07:39 PM

I agree with tet. If someone likes something, then rep is increased through liking something someone says. Don't like it, then just ignore it and move on (or correct the person in a constructive manner *cough*). Down voting gets a bit negative (pun intended?) and really doesn't serve much purpose. I mean, these aren't voting poll forums, they are discussions. Right?

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 11:18 PM

In all seriousness, a +1 or nothing works fine for me. If someone really, really deserves a down vote, it's probably something they deserve a warning point over. I just dislike the "Like This" because it reminds me of that vanity post cesspool site I intensely dislike.
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 11:53 PM

Sometimes I like downvote buttons because it's a nice shorthand way of saying "what a jerk" without actually posting, "What a jerk!"  Thus avoiding flamewars (and saving time).  It's true, though, that some people obsess about up/downvotes for some reason, which kind of counteracts the aforementioned benefit.

View Postthe Battle Cat, on 16 September 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

I meant "folks besides Eric".  It's simple to tell if you are Eric or not: sit in a tub of water and if it turns black you are Eric.

I just tried that and the water turned blue.  Does that mean I'm not Eric?  WHO AM I????

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:36 AM

You achieve nothing productive from doing that though. The person doesn't know why you did  it and can only assume that you did it for petty reasons. I don't see much value to that the one hitting the down-vote is being just as much a jerk if not more than the poster who is getting down-voted. But more like a drive-by jerk. To be frank I even think up-votes are pretty unnecessary around here.. hardly anyone uses them and they hardly serve the purpose they are meant for... and in other forums rep points mostly go towards ones ePeen status and really just an indicator that the person posts a lot. :P
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Alex Delarg, A Clockwork Orange said:

It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:51 AM

I can understand that people want more voting options, but please, I could live without a "Like this" and "Frost likes this" buttons:

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:54 AM

View PostSmoke_Tetsu, on 17 September 2012 - 12:36 AM, said:

You achieve nothing productive from doing that though.

Yes I do, which I explained pretty clearly.  It's not exactly a big deal, though.  The presence or absence of voting buttons has little effect on my opinion and usage of a forum.  (Although, yeah, I have to agree with Frost about the Facebookishness of the "like" button here, which is a tad offputting.)

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:12 AM

View PostSmoke_Tetsu, on 17 September 2012 - 12:36 AM, said:

and in other forums rep points mostly go towards ones ePeen status and really just an indicator that the person posts a lot. :P
Thus explaining why tBC took eViagra and got +1000 points as soon as FM did that software update.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:15 AM

View PostEric5h5, on 17 September 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

Yes I do, which I explained pretty clearly.

If you say so. To me going around down-voting stuff like that smacks of again petty and even childish behavior. "I don't like what you have to say.. why? Because DOWN-VOTE!" And hey look I can do this snipping game too!

View PostFrost, on 17 September 2012 - 01:12 AM, said:

Thus explaining why tBC took eViagra and got +1000 points as soon as FM did that software update.

What happened there.. you are clearly quoting me yet someone elses name is in the quote box.
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Alex Delarg, A Clockwork Orange said:

It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

the Battle Cat said:

Slower and faster? I'm sorry to hear such good news?

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:33 AM

Personally I couldn't care less. I'm of the opinion that voting on posts is useless when it is done without consequences. +1/-1 buttons merely signifies "I agree" or "I disagree" which is subjective and thus in most cases useless.

I visit one forum frequently though (Newz.dk), which has a much better and homemade system. So basically you can rate posts in different categories: Interesting, Relevant, Funny, Informative, Repeat, Flamebait and irrelevant. In essence, the positive posts give your post a +1 score, and the negative ones a -1 score. If a specific post gets a total of -5 rating or less (Ie. based on the average of all the scores by other users), the post gets collapsed. This is done to filter out flamebait posts, or posts which doesn't add anything to the discussion. You can still un-collapse a post, if you want to see it. Also, you can see what categories have been rated on each post, so you get an idea on why for instance a post was rated "informative" (Ie. it is probably correct based on what other users have rated, which is nice in technical discussions!) or "irrelevant" (If you don't know much about the subject, you now know that this post is taking a detour).

It works really well. Especially since the system also looks at your average ratings over the last 3 months - So if you rated a lot of posts negative, then the system removes your voting capabilities, until the last 3 months average is neutral or positive. This is done to remove trolls. Also, if your 3 month average is +1 or better (Based on votes from other people), then all your posts automatically start with a +1 score, to signify that you are a "good" user, or at least posts a lot of intelligent posts.

But all in all, this forum is so nice in general due to a great percentage of intelligent users, and with tBC having such a sensitive whip, trolls are usually short lived.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:58 AM

I can also set it back to the way we had it just before the forum was upgraded.  Just positive reputation points, no negative votes, no "like" button.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:01 AM

Or we could change the wording, in the language pack.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:03 AM

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 17 September 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

Personally I couldn't care less. I'm of the opinion that voting on posts is useless when it is done without consequences. +1/-1 buttons merely signifies "I agree" or "I disagree" which is subjective and thus in most cases useless.

I visit one forum frequently though (Newz.dk), …boring stuff about voting system :P

But all in all, this forum is so nice in general due to a great percentage of intelligent users, and with tBC having such a sensitive whip, trolls are usually short lived.
Newz.dk's system sounds a lot like Slashdot to me…as that is the only site I know of with the same style. Would I be right there?

I also agree with Eric, Frost and Thain that we really could do without the whole Facebook-ishness of the voting or Liking system currently in place. To me if feels that the forums are trying to be something they are not.

I would also agree with what Thain said above, in that I do not think the forums need really need any sort of voting or liking system. He have survived very well (I think) over the years without one, through the excellent staff and mods and of course the general user base cultivates a great community here. There may sometimes be a loaded post or some words typed in anger, but it appears to me, we keep ourselves pretty well in check.

Edit: I like what tBC has just suggested, a simple positive rep button.

Edit 2: I just saw the new wording, I just had to spam the "Beans" button a bit.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 09:38 AM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on 17 September 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

I can also set it back to the way we had it just before the forum was upgraded.  Just positive reputation points, no negative votes, no "like" button.

Well, honestly, I've never actually used the voting stuff on this forum at all.  I do like this "beans" thing though.  Beans beans beans!

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 10:29 AM

mMmmmm.... Beans.

I think we agree. Beans are good. Why didn't I buy beans when I went shopping today? :(
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 10:37 AM

Its all about giving and getting beans now. No more of this 'like' nonsense!

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 11:24 AM

No ham with the beans?

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