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#21 Hansi

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 01:39 AM

View Postltcommander.data, on 11 June 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

http://www.macrumors...obably-in-2013/

Isn't it usually "later this year" or "next year"? Does "later next year" really mean 2013? That's what they're speculating for the iMac too. I was really hoping to get a new iMac this year. Especially since the MacBook Pro got it's last update in October 2011, whereas the iMac hasn't seen one since May 2011. Desktop may not be in vogue anymore, but the iMac is certainly more popular than the Mac Pro, and it'd be terrible if they are actually planning on ignoring it for 2 years.

I think the "update" was just driven from Intel's side which is stopping/reducing manufacturing of the previous low end Mac Pro chips. Apple wasn't ready for a real update.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 01:45 AM

View Postltcommander.data, on 11 June 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

Anand said that Apple is now integrating the display into the unibody allowing them to remove the cover glass. So I guess they've returned to old glossy, like how glossy Macbook Pro screens were before they went Unibody. It's interesting how adding the cover glass was a major new feature when it was introduced with the Unibody design and now removing the glass is also a major new feature with Apple claiming 75% reduction in glare and reflection. I guess it's always win-win. ;)
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It seems like Apple is getting lazy on the hardware front, reusing existing chassis designs as much as possible. ... The new Retina MacBook Pro introduces a new thinner MagSafe connector which Apple didn't cleanly transition to the new standard by adding it across the notebook lineup not even similarly thin MacBook Air since that would require modifying the chassis.
I believe they didn't change the standard MBP chassis at all because these are the last MBPs with that design. I think they are going to replace all MacBook Pro models  with the new, all Flash memory, no optical drive and no Firewire design in the medium term. Just as you mentioned: that's the same way they handled the transition to the unibody design back in 2008/2009. First, only the 15" MBP had this design, 17" and 13" followed suit later. Whether all these models will have a Retina display remains to be seen (especially depending on whether the Intel HD 4000 a potential 13" model will be limited to could handle this resolution well). At least it seems that isn't much of a cost factor: the Retina display does not appear to be the most costly part of the new MBPs (the Flash memory is).

I think in the long run, the MacBook Air will also see a redesign, featuring MagSafe 2 and possibly probably Retina displays.

View PostSneaky Snake, on 11 June 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

The difference between the pro and the iPad though is that you can choose your resolution on the MBP. When your gaming you can set it at 1440x900, and it will look entirely native.
Oddly enough, 1440x900 is not listed as supported scaled resolution by Apple:

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Supported resolutions: 2880 by 1800 pixels (Retina); scaled resolutions: 1920 by 1200, 1680 by 1050, 1280 by 800, and 1024 by 640 pixels
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:17 AM

1920x1200 is the new 1440x900!
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 07:40 AM

View PostEric5h5, on 11 June 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

Regarding the Mac Pro lackluster update, Tim Cook apparently sez: "Our pro customers are really important to us...don't worry as we're working on something really great for later next year."  They have a funny way of showing it, but we'll see.  Hang in there, Frost!
Blarg. So I'm still in the position of either holding on to my current machine for another year (and, according to rumour, not being able to run Mountain Lion), or buying a machine with a CPU from 2010 and a video card from 2009.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 08:30 AM

View PostTesseract, on 12 June 2012 - 07:40 AM, said:

Blarg. So I'm still in the position of either holding on to my current machine for another year (and, according to rumour, not being able to run Mountain Lion), or buying a machine with a CPU from 2010 and a video card from 2009.
how old is your machine... 2006 or 2007?  why would you buy a used machine?  Just get a new one... which has CPU and GPU both released in 2012.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 08:57 AM

View Postdoh123, on 12 June 2012 - 08:30 AM, said:

how old is your machine... 2006 or 2007?  why would you buy a used machine?  Just get a new one... which has CPU and GPU both released in 2012.
...Which is not true for both Mac Pro, iMac and Mac Mini..  :cool:
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 09:01 AM

Exactly. I wasn't talking about buying a used machine, I was talking about a "new" Mac Pro.

View Postdoh123, on 12 June 2012 - 08:30 AM, said:

how old is your machine... 2006 or 2007?
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 09:05 AM

View PostTesseract, on 12 June 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

Exactly. I wasn't talking about buying a used machine, I was talking about a "new" Mac Pro.


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Posted 12 June 2012 - 11:33 AM

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 12 June 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

...Which is not true for both Mac Pro, iMac and Mac Mini..  :cool:
sorry... I thought we were talking about the WWDC which was only about the Macbooks.

Mac Pro has been a poor and overpriced machine for years.  I love most of Apple's products, but I don't see why anyone would buy one of those unless they are using it for a server, and then the GPU is overkill.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 11:38 AM

View Postdoh123, on 12 June 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

sorry... I thought we were talking about the WWDC which was only about the Macbooks.

Mac Pro has been a poor and overpriced machine for years.  I love most of Apple's products, but I don't see why anyone would buy one of those unless they are using it for a server, and then the GPU is overkill.
The Mac Pro was also updated at WWDC. And in any case, this is a gaming website.. We usually discuss machines for gaming.. ;)
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 12:02 PM

View Postdoh123, on 12 June 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

I don't see why anyone would buy one of those
A) not tied to a built-in monitor, B) non-mobile graphics card, C) real storage options without mucking around with external drives, D) can swap components easily when needed.  Sure I'd like to see $1K knocked off the price, but honestly that's a minor annoyance in the grand scheme of things.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 12:32 PM

The clue's in the name - Mac Pro is for pr0f3ss10naL gam3rz!1!!111 Everything else is a girls machine. Or is that all non-PPC machines .. I get confused ;)

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 02:21 PM

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 12 June 2012 - 11:38 AM, said:

The Mac Pro was also updated at WWDC. And in any case, this is a gaming website.. We usually discuss machines for gaming.. ;)
it wasn't announced at WWDC, it was a silent update during the same week.  Mac Pro for gaming?  I thought it was more of .. "I have a Mac Pro because I need it, but I want to run some games too" otherwise what a waste of money.

View PostEric5h5, on 12 June 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

A) not tied to a built-in monitor, B) non-mobile graphics card, C) real storage options without mucking around with external drives, D) can swap components easily when needed.  Sure I'd like to see $1K knocked off the price, but honestly that's a minor annoyance in the grand scheme of things.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 02:32 PM

Bring on the Hackintoshes!

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 02:44 PM

View PostHansi, on 12 June 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

Bring on the Hackintoshes!

I think there will be quite a lot of people doing just that. Also Apple have removed the 'New' label from the Mac Pro on the Apple Store - I think they've noticed it went down like a lead balloon ;)

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 02:47 PM

View PostSargiel, on 12 June 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

I think there will be quite a lot of people doing just that. Also Apple have removed the 'New' label from the Mac Pro on the Apple Store - I think they've noticed it went down like a lead balloon ;)

Well they shouldn't have added a New label in the first place as per my comment on the chips above, but realistically that would mean Apple would have to comment on their upcoming actual update later this year and Apple doesn't comment on future updates in official capacity.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 02:55 PM

They'll update the desktops this year for sure. The iMac is one of their best selling computers, so not updating that would be retarded.

I expect a full SB-E, thunderbolt, and GPU update is coming to the Mac Pro as well. It's a much more complicated update then their other computers cuz they have to convince either AMD or Nvidia to give them a GPU with thunderbolt ports built in
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:13 PM

Looks like it might be 2013: http://www.macrumors...coming-in-2013/

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:32 PM

So I guess mention of "an Apple spokesman" means it's more or less official. 2013 is still 6 months away, and that's if Tim's "later next year" was just redundant ("later" and "next year") rather than meaning late 2013.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 06:17 PM

I do like my 2008 Mac Pro. I saved a few hundred by getting a refurb.

I like upgrading the video card after 2-3 years to make it feel new again (currently a 5770.)
I like having drive bays for Time Machine and Boot Camp. Also, a spare bay is handy for backing up/expanding my Tivo drive.
I'm used to having computers that I can futureproof by adding cards to, though I don't really use that any more. (Between USB, Firewire, Bluetooth, wifi and the internet, pretty much anything can connect/transfer to anything.)

I'm thinking maybe I'll go iMac next time. My son's isn't top of the line and it runs the games I actually play perfectly well. His screen is nicer and larger than mine too. I'd have money left over to upgrade to a newer machine in 2-3 years, have a spare for the family member who will be going to high school around then.

But I'll stick with my current one for another year or two.
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