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[Sneaky Snake]

yes feral is all I have to say

feral news release
Extremely highly rated game. Dues Ex back at it's roots by the look of it.

[Wumpus]

Not to rain on your thread parade (even though this is the section where the game discussion really belongs) but this is already being discussed at the IMG news post thread: http://www.insidemac...showtopic=42431

and the Feral's Latest Project Thread: http://www.insidemac...00

Quick note: I'm pending approval from Feral on a preview.

[the Battle Cat]

Not to shine sun on your rain storm, but it's cool that duplicate topics exist between IMG News and user posts, also it's alright that a game can have it's own thread while it's being discussed in a bundle thread such as Feral's Latest Project.

I'm very interested in a preview, I want to get this game but all the poor user reviews from the sequel that never made it to the Mac makes me very leery about smacking down the green for this one without some sort of reassurance.  Either some good reviews by people I trust or a demo.

[XxtraLarGe]

Everyone gets wet in a pissing match.  

In any case, this is great news. I already got the PS3 version, but for those of you who don't have a console, this is definitely a must-get game.

the Battle Cat, on 13 September 2011 - 06:36 AM, said:

Not to shine sun on your rain storm, but it's cool that duplicate topics exist between IMG News and user posts

[Sneaky Snake]

I've seen the other threads. I thought this game deserved it's own thread though. I suppose this thread could be deleted and we could move the one from the off topic forum in, or merge the two. Up to the all powerful tBC and his minions eric and frost I guess.

the Battle Cat, on 13 September 2011 - 06:36 AM, said:

I'm very interested in a preview, I want to get this game but all the poor user reviews from the sequel that never made it to the Mac makes me very leery about smacking down the green for this one without some sort of reassurance.  Either some good reviews by people I trust or a demo.

I've played the first two. Obviously the first one is an absolute gem. The second one I thought was good, but compared to the first one was a throbbing pile of feces.

Haven't played or touched the third one yet, but the only downside I've heard people talk about is some of the boss battles. They seem to be a love hate thing. Most of the complaints seem to stem from joe gamer bombing through every mission without searching any levels, finding gear, or upgrading his character, then when he gets to the boss it's impossible for him to win cuz he hardly played the game at all, and thought that the first gun in the game was sufficient to haXXor all. I wouldn't call that a bad thing if the game punishes those people  

[the Battle Cat]

Sneaky Snake, on 13 September 2011 - 08:31 AM, said:

I've seen the other threads. I thought this game deserved it's own thread though. I suppose this thread could be deleted and we could move the one from the off topic forum in, or merge the two. Up to the all powerful tBC and his minions eric and frost I guess.

I've already blessed this thread son.  Don't make me come over there.

[Wumpus]

Hehe, I actually don't mind multiple threads, I was just worried about the discussion getting pulled in different ways and maybe that's because I'm so excited about the game I want to talk about it every chance I get. So no offense meant.

Deus Ex: Invisible War was a flaming pile of trash that shouldn't even be considered. Everyone can safely ignore it and pretend it never existed and life will merrily go on. I've actually already gotten a full review of this (DXHR) game written, (PC version, i'll make adjustments for Mac specifics once its released.)  and I'm currently working on a tips & tricks feature for it. Preview wise I'm waiting to get approval from Edwin (Feral)to put one up, sometimes its a PR or original Dev thing. I'll try and write the preview later tonight and hope Edwin gets back to me soon.

Will also be discussing this game on the MacGameCast this weekend. Due to the affects of the Hurricane I haven't been able to gather Frank & Ted for the podcast in the last few weeks.

P.S. I never heard mention of a demo so I think you're out of luck there. Well there was an unofficial "Press" demo, but that isn't quite the same thing.

[the Battle Cat]

Awesome Wumpus.  Now this is still a FPS/RPG hybrid right?  That is one of the things I loved about Deus Ex.  That and the sandbox way of approaching situations.  I loved to find different routes and set up movable crates, barrels and boxes that blocked the AI bots.  I would spend hours and hours replaying a fight a different way.

[Wumpus]

the Battle Cat, on 13 September 2011 - 06:35 PM, said:

Awesome Wumpus.  Now this is still a FPS/RPG hybrid right?  That is one of the things I loved about Deus Ex.  That and the sandbox way of approaching situations.  I loved to find different routes and set up movable crates, barrels and boxes that blocked the AI bots.  I would spend hours and hours replaying a fight a different way.

It is still very much an FPS/RPG hybrid, although the shooting part now includes cover. And you will need to use it to stay alive, even with the Dermal Armor (like the ballistic augmentation from the first game) but it doesn't mean you *only* hide in cover. I tend to use it more to get around the battlefield and flank people before jumping out from behind cover and laying waste to my foes in a hail of lead and explosives. Alternatively if you have the cloaking augmentation (which you should) you can cloak and shoot which negates the need for cover altogether. Fully upgraded cloak and energy cells gives you 35 seconds of invisibility which is more than enough to finish most fights.

The game retains the same 3-4 ways to get around missions approach overall. While the city hubs are big, story missions themselves aren't as big as the first game. There's nothing the size of say Vandenberg for example on a story mission, but its still lots of fun. I've played the game through twice already (Steam tells me I've put 54 hours into the game) and I *still* want to play it again. It's that fun. There's always something new to discover. I would say its not as wildly divergent as the first game was capable of being, but it's still an excellent effort that satisfies.

[XxtraLarGe]

the Battle Cat, on 13 September 2011 - 06:35 PM, said:

Awesome Wumpus.  Now this is still a FPS/RPG hybrid right?  That is one of the things I loved about Deus Ex.  That and the sandbox way of approaching situations.  I loved to find different routes and set up movable crates, barrels and boxes that blocked the AI bots.  I would spend hours and hours replaying a fight a different way.

I did this last night. I accidentally killed a guy that I only meant to knock out, so I loaded my last auto-save. I went back into the place I was supposed to investigate, then stacked up a couple of boxes in the doorway. The guy wouldn't enter the room because it was blocked. Then I closed the door, which pushed the boxes into the hallway, and went and took cover around a corner and he opened the door and came in. I snuck up behind him and did a non-lethal takedown.  

[XxtraLarGe]

By the way, here's a *non-spoiler* on achievements. If you want to go through the whole game without killing anyone, (boss fights don't count), then you can't kill anyone even during the first tutorial, which is kinda bull.

[the Battle Cat]

This sounds like it is going to be my next game.    XxtraLarGe, be careful not to use a box of TNT to block a door.  In the first game opening the door against the TNT box would detonate it... unlike in the real world where it takes an explosion to set it off.  Does this game have TNT boxes?  If so would you try to block a door with one to see if this technique still works.

PS:  I edited the name of this topic so that it doesn't sound like we are talking about alimony.

[Thain Esh Kelch]

XxtraLarGe, on 14 September 2011 - 07:30 AM, said:

By the way, here's a *non-spoiler* on achievements. If you want to go through the whole game without killing anyone, (boss fights don't count), then you can't kill anyone even during the first tutorial, which is kinda bull.

Nah, that is just hardcore

[Sneaky Snake]

the Battle Cat, on 14 September 2011 - 08:11 AM, said:

PS:  I edited the name of this topic so that it doesn't sound like we are talking about alimony.

What did I have the name as before? lol it looks the same to me

[Wumpus]

XxtraLarGe, on 14 September 2011 - 07:30 AM, said:

By the way, here's a *non-spoiler* on achievements. If you want to go through the whole game without killing anyone, (boss fights don't count), then you can't kill anyone even during the first tutorial, which is kinda bull.

How do you not kill anyone during the tutorial? They don't give you any non-lethal weapons and you don't have take-downs yet. I guess you could wait awhile for the guards to be in a pattern or whatever then run/sneak by.

[jgwdoc]

Sneaky Snake, on 14 September 2011 - 09:00 AM, said:

What did I have the name as before? lol it looks the same to me

The next step will be to change the subtitle from "coming in the winter" to "Winter is coming." Mwahaha

[the Battle Cat]

Sneaky Snake, on 14 September 2011 - 09:00 AM, said:

What did I have the name as before? lol it looks the same to me

You had the title as "Dues Ex" ya big dummy.

[Smoke_Tetsu]

*stewie from family guy* What the deuce?

[XxtraLarGe]

I haven't come across any TNT yet, but I think there are explosive barrels. Also, one thing that I really miss vs. the first game is non-lethal melee weapons. You can't knock guys out with a baton like you had in the original, so you end up using energy performing takedowns, which actually slows the game down quite a bit.

Another thing I wish you could do is use opponents for cover a la Splinter Cell.

the Battle Cat, on 14 September 2011 - 08:11 AM, said:

This sounds like it is going to be my next game.    XxtraLarGe, be careful not to use a box of TNT to block a door.  In the first game opening the door against the TNT box would detonate it... unlike in the real world where it takes an explosion to set it off.  Does this game have TNT boxes?  If so would you try to block a door with one to see if this technique still works.

PS:  I edited the name of this topic so that it doesn't sound like we are talking about alimony.

[the Battle Cat]

XxtraLarGe, on 14 September 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

I haven't come across any TNT yet, but I think there are explosive barrels. Also, one thing that I really miss vs. the first game is non-lethal melee weapons. You can't knock guys out with a baton like you had in the original, so you end up using energy performing takedowns, which actually slows the game down quite a bit.

Another thing I wish you could do is use opponents for cover a la Splinter Cell.

Ack.  One of the things I really really liked was the trank dart mini-crossbow.  I hope that is still there.