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[teflon]

Did anybody else jump around a little when they saw this? Only then to try it out, and just sigh in mild despair?

So, somebody has kludged together a Blu-Ray player for OSX, and I say and very much mean kludge. You insert the BD disc, and the program connects to the internet to get a decryption key... OK, now that's not normal for a BD player.
Next you get some playback, but it's all jerky and out of sorts. That's equally not normal.

As far as I can tell, it's basically ripping the video files on the fly from the disc and then trying to play them through a bog standard FFmpeg layer. Currently, there doesn't appear to be any real optimisation of it, and it's almost certainly all being done by the CPU on my MBP, when in Windows 7 it'll be using my GPU to keep things flowing properly...

So right now, it's a mess. That website really doesn't help either, looking very shady to me. Still, it's a start, and hopefully we can get something proper from someone reputable soon!

[Smoke_Tetsu]

Yeah the whole ripping video files on the fly thing doesn't sound good to me. Proper players don't do that. That adds to the load the computer has to do not replace it... what I mean is they could do it and still run the resulting video via GPU acceleration but it's still an extra step that is done before that happens. You may as well rip the disk to MKV and play it that way.

[teflon]

Yup, but at least someone's finally trying to address the market, and hopefully 10.7 will include a few more hooks for them to get into that mean they don't have to go down this route.

[Smoke_Tetsu]

That'll be great so playback doesn't struggle on a dual core xeon Yeah hopefully apple will do that... Although I also find that most things are possible on computers given time and the right minds working on it. I always remember how at one time people though N64 emulation was impossible. I'm sure someone will find a better way whether there are hooks in the OS for it or not.... although it would help if they where present if that's what's needed. The playback itself is really just standard codecs like h.264 and AC3\DTS so to me it seems the roadblock is more the decryption stuff. So if anything a potential "hook" that apple would include would be a "AACS decryption" one.

[Bernie]

teflon, on 08 July 2011 - 01:34 PM, said:

Did anybody else jump around a little when they saw this?

I saw the article too. It screams "Malware" to me. A lot of the danger signs are there.

[Diablofett]

I think Blu-Ray will officially be supported on Macs at some time. As for when that day comes who knows...
As for the article, why did he not use better films to test the program? Was "Hot Tub Time Machine" the best blu ray film he had? Shesh...

teflon, on 08 July 2011 - 01:34 PM, said:

Did anybody else jump around a little when they saw this? Only then to try it out, and just sigh in mild despair?

So, somebody has kludged together a Blu-Ray player for OSX, and I say and very much mean kludge. You insert the BD disc, and the program connects to the internet to get a decryption key... OK, now that's not normal for a BD player.
Next you get some playback, but it's all jerky and out of sorts. That's equally not normal.

As far as I can tell, it's basically ripping the video files on the fly from the disc and then trying to play them through a bog standard FFmpeg layer. Currently, there doesn't appear to be any real optimisation of it, and it's almost certainly all being done by the CPU on my MBP, when in Windows 7 it'll be using my GPU to keep things flowing properly...

So right now, it's a mess. That website really doesn't help either, looking very shady to me. Still, it's a start, and hopefully we can get something proper from someone reputable soon!

[teflon]

Haha, are you saying the program was kicking up a fuss because he was watching a rubbish film?  

Apple only bother to add proper features with a full point release, so if the hooks aren't there in 10.7 (I've seen nothing to say that they are), then it'd be 10.8 in 2 years time, or quite likely never, ever, ever, ever...

[Smoke_Tetsu]

Apparently their player has runs BDfilmcritic.framework inside it which analyzes your films using the frameworks built in AI and rotten tomatos score and sets an error level accordingly.  If it detects a bad film it increases the load on your CPU to lower your experience and force you to turn off the film. Also it refuses to directly play such a film turning its nose up at it so that explains the real time ripping\whatever indirect playing is going on

This is all a part of their plan to protect you from...... yourself (picking lousy movies).  

Of course it goes haywire like HAL and determines all movies are bad so it refuses to directly play them all!  

[Janichsan]

Smoke_Tetsu, on 11 July 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:

Apparently their player has runs BDfilmcritic.framework inside it which analyzes your films using the frameworks built in AI and rotten tomatos score and sets an error level accordingly.

Isn't that this framework that has hard-coded routines to prefer Finnish existentialist arthouse porn in black and white to anything else? I think, I'll pass.

[the Battle Cat]

Now wait a darn minute.  Hansi cut his teeth on Finnish existentialist arthouse porn in black and white.

[Janichsan]

the Battle Cat, on 12 July 2011 - 10:10 AM, said:

Now wait a darn minute.  Hansi cut his teeth on Finnish existentialist arthouse porn in black and white.

Wasn't that Icelandic nihilistic arthouse porn? You know, the kind with gorgeous women rolling around with tiny horses in volcanic ash? Finnish arthouse porn is the kind with one-armed geriatric midgets quoting Kierkegaard while receiving... er... "oral pleasure".

[The Liberator]

Janichsan, on 12 July 2011 - 01:18 PM, said:

Wasn't that Icelandic nihilistic arthouse porn? You know, the kind with gorgeous women rolling around with tiny horses in volcanic ash? Finnish arthouse porn is the kind with one-armed geriatric midgets quoting Kierkegaard while receiving... er... "oral pleasure".

I understand then, that you are quite knowledgeable in these different subgenres. Why would that be Jan? Have you been using the blu-ray player?

Liberator.

[Janichsan]

The Liberator, on 12 July 2011 - 06:43 PM, said:

I understand then, that you are quite knowledgeable in these different subgenres.

All I'm saying is: avoid Tajik relativistic arthouse porn at all cost, no matter what. Unless you want to wake up screaming in the dead of the night...

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Why would that be Jan? Have you been using the blu-ray player?

Nah. A true connoisseur doesn't watch his arthouse on Blu-ray... not artsy enough.

[the Battle Cat]

Janichsan, on 12 July 2011 - 01:18 PM, said:

Wasn't that Icelandic nihilistic arthouse porn? You know, the kind with gorgeous women...

Can't be.  Icelandic women are Viking and are all sloppy fat, wear horn hats and armor and sing just under a scream.  Apparently you and Wagner are into that sort of thing.

[The Liberator]

Janichsan, on 13 July 2011 - 12:24 AM, said:

All I'm saying is: avoid Tajik relativistic arthouse porn at all cost, no matter what. Unless you want to wake up screaming in the dead of the night...
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Nah. A true connoisseur doesn't watch his arthouse on Blu-ray... not artsy enough.

Ha ha ha!

Liberator.

[Hansi]

the Battle Cat, on 13 July 2011 - 08:18 AM, said:

Can't be.  Icelandic women are Viking and are all sloppy fat, wear horn hats and armor and sing just under a scream.  Apparently you and Wagner are into that sort of thing.

Wow talk about taking something off topic. But alas you're wrong: http://is.gd/6gc5r4

Yes they are vikings, but not sloppy fat: http://is.gd/PAPmnq

[the Battle Cat]

Hansi, on 13 July 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

Wow talk about taking something off topic. But alas you're wrong: http://is.gd/6gc5r4

Yes they are vikings, but not sloppy fat: http://is.gd/PAPmnq

I reject actual reality and substitute my own!

[UmarOMC1]

...requires an internet connection without giving technical details-or details, period-as to why!? I'll pass!

[Diablofett]

I find it amusing that we have nine posts discussing different obscure sub-genres of porn and viking women before we have a post that is even vaguely about the actual topic.  

UmarOMC1, on 16 July 2011 - 11:50 PM, said:

...requires an internet connection without giving technical details-or details, period-as to why!? I'll pass!

[Janichsan]

Diablofett, on 18 July 2011 - 06:32 PM, said:

I find it amusing that we have nine posts discussing different obscure sub-genres of porn and viking women before we have a post that is even vaguely about the actual topic.  

Just another typical day at the IMG forums.