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Posted 05 June 2011 - 07:00 AM

View PostAussieMacGamer, on 05 June 2011 - 06:05 AM, said:

…Just my unsubstantiated opinion.
Which I am agreeing with. ;)

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 09:20 AM

View PostThe Liberator, on 05 June 2011 - 07:00 AM, said:

Which I am agreeing with. ;)

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 07:25 PM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on 05 June 2011 - 09:20 AM, said:

My GOD man!  You just agreed with an unsubstantiated opinion!!   :o
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Posted 06 June 2011 - 11:48 AM

Just in from the WWDC: Lion will really only be available as download from the App Store. Not cool. Will be released in July, for $30.

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 12:16 PM

View PostJanichsan, on 06 June 2011 - 11:48 AM, said:

Just in from the WWDC: Lion will really only be available as download from the App Store. Not cool. Will be released in July, for $30.

Wrong... Way cool... buy once install on all your Macs

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 12:21 PM

View PostGotrek, on 06 June 2011 - 12:16 PM, said:

Wrong... Way cool... buy once install on all your Macs
Thanks, but I prefer a *disc* when it comes to installing an operating system.

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 12:47 PM

View PostGotrek, on 06 June 2011 - 12:16 PM, said:

Wrong... Way cool... buy once install on all your Macs

Have to admit I'm with Janichsan in preferring a disc. I imagine it's not exactly a small download either and we're not all blessed with crazy-fast connections :) And at least up until now you could just buy a family pack DVD and install on all your Macs for £41.

Also there's no resale value in downloads tied to your apple account..

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 01:41 PM

Maybe there will be an option to burn it on a disc? *shrug* Either way, it'll still shut out a good number of people.

I've yet to see any feature that would make it worth the upgrade. Pass.
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Posted 06 June 2011 - 02:01 PM

I agree.  No availability via a hardcopy disc just convinced me to pass completely.  What am i going to do when i need to nuke and pave?  Re-install 10.6 and the redownload Lion every time?  Crap

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 04:26 PM

View PostTetsuya, on 06 June 2011 - 02:01 PM, said:

I agree.  No availability via a hardcopy disc just convinced me to pass completely.  What am i going to do when i need to nuke and pave?  Re-install 10.6 and the redownload Lion every time?  Crap

OS X Lion includes a built-in restore partition, allowing you to repair or reinstall OS X without the need for discs.

from apple's website

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 06:17 PM

View PostGotrek, on 06 June 2011 - 04:26 PM, said:

OS X Lion includes a built-in restore partition, allowing you to repair or reinstall OS X without the need for discs.

from apple's website

Great... As long as i dont need to erase the partion map, or, god forbid, the hard drive doesnt fail.  Ive got a bare drive, lets say... What do i do then?

Stupid decision is stupid, no matter how Apple tries to gussie it up.  Its just dumb.

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 08:47 PM

View PostGotrek, on 06 June 2011 - 04:26 PM, said:

OS X Lion includes a built-in restore partition, allowing you to repair or reinstall OS X without the need for discs.

from apple's website
Fantastic.

Too bad when the hard drive goes, so will the restore partition. What happens if your disk is on the fritz and you want to boot from the Os install disc and run some tools on it? What if you need to reset something? What if you need to reinstall the OS and the Mac isn't fully functional and running Snow Leopard?

What if I have a bare drive because I just replaced the startup disk and I want to install a fresh OS and then migrate stuff over by putting the old drive in an external enclosure like we've been able to do since Panther.

Apple's solution in 1991: Pop in the OS install disc.

Apple's solution in 2011: Install Leopard, upgrade to Snow Leopard, get on the Mac App Store, redownload Lion. Hope you've got internet access available at the time. :crazy:

Basically, if you can't even service your equipment if you're not in a 1st world country and hooked up to broadband 24/7, and sometimes not even then, then your way of doing things f'in sucks. I think Apple has gone full-on delusional.

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 09:43 PM

You can make your own boot disc.  (USB stick as well as DVD.)  Yes, it's an extra step, but on the bright side...on the bright side...hang on, I'll think of one.

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 11:00 PM

Good grief. Time to make a fortune by starting a business dedicated to downloading people's app store purchases for them, saving them to physical media, and mailing them out.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 01:00 AM

View PostEric5h5, on 06 June 2011 - 09:43 PM, said:

Why wouldn't you just install Snow Leopard?
...and then update it to 10.6.8, since that is the minimum version from where you can install Lion.

There are still too many unanswered questions regarding that new scheme. I can think of more than enough scenarios where it would simply fail.

Anyway, together with this and the lack of really compelling new features in Lion, this might be the first version of OS X that I'll skip completely.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 01:31 AM

Can't believe you guys are going to pass on this when it's so dirt cheap. IMO the new Mail and resume features alone are easily worth the $29 for me. Hell, we play mac games, don't you want access to the new fancy OpenGL 3.2 drivers? Games will require them before too long anyways.

Yes, it's ridiculous that there is no DVD, but at least you can make a boot disk. I'll be doing that first thing on a spare external partition. I would probably do this anyway even if there was a DVD option.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 06:25 AM

I've been kind of hating optical discs for important software like OS install discs lately anyway after the disc that came with my mac got scratched up and I couldn't reinstall from it yet I hardly even handled that disc. I made a Snow Leopard  install drive from an 8GB thumb drive after that instead.
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Posted 07 June 2011 - 07:21 AM

Hopefully they will still distribute discs if you request one, and obviously there'll be 10.7 discs bundled with new computers too, but this is just where Apple's heading a moment.

If they don't stick in an option, heck, a recommendation and simple walkthrough to burn it to disc or usb drive, then they are indeed complete imbeciles.
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Posted 07 June 2011 - 08:58 AM

View Postteflon, on 07 June 2011 - 07:21 AM, said:

... and obviously there'll be 10.7 discs bundled with new computers too, ...
Obviously? I think not. I'm pretty sure that all Mac sold with Lion will only have one of those "Restore Partitions" on the built-in hard drives, but won't come with Install DVDs.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 09:18 AM

View PostCougar, on 07 June 2011 - 01:31 AM, said:

Can't believe you guys are going to pass on this when it's so dirt cheap. IMO the new Mail and resume features alone are easily worth the $29 for me. Hell, we play mac games, don't you want access to the new fancy OpenGL 3.2 drivers? Games will require them before too long anyways.

Yes, it's ridiculous that there is no DVD, but at least you can make a boot disk. I'll be doing that first thing on a spare external partition. I would probably do this anyway even if there was a DVD option.

Yes I am with you, I have to admit.
I thought I´ll skip this one also but for the price it´s a no brainer.
Also since seeing the keynote on Versions, and Resume and Mission Control I really want that.
And considering abandoning FireFox and Thunderbird for Mail and Safari for the first time.

I SEE the possible problems. Rosetta is my first one.

My guess is you can make a bootable DVD from the Lion Image you get from the AppStore.
And I think Lion Install DVDs will be optional.

This is esp. funny since a lot of post here said they don´t need a CD drive anymore, when the new 2011 models came out. Always be careful what you wish for!  :nods:

But seriously there is a lot of good stuff going on that I guess, and is far better than I expected. It will safe me a lot of time I can use to do something more useful. Like get some work done. Or more free time for gaming. :D
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