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[Smoke_Tetsu]

Yeah actually now that you mention it I did notice some performance improvement even going from 10.6.4 to 10.6.5 however in 10.6.4 with the SLGU I did notice some types of shadow mapping such as the one they use in darkplaces engine and Virtual Programming's Riddick port where rendering incorrectly there. On models it looked spotty and grainy rather than smooth continuous shadows as it normally looks and in the world it looked broken up with stripes\spottyness but that was fixed in 10.6.5. It's interesting to think though that shadows could be better behaved under OS X than in windows.

[ikir]

Smoke_Tetsu, on 26 November 2010 - 12:10 PM, said:

About Vsync I generally with most games turn it on as I HAVE encountered tearing on my system with it off and for me the speed hit wasn't as bad as the tearing I'd get with it off but obviously I haven't played Feral's Borderlands yet so we'll see.

I can live with tearing, indeed after i while i even didn't see it anymore. I can't live with low fps!

[UmarOMC1]

Mister Mumbles, on 15 December 2010 - 12:46 AM, said:

I enabled iron-sight toggling. Having to hold down the right button got fraking annoying really fast. Not sure if something needs to be a bit tweaked there though as sometimes I have to click right twice for it to toggle on. I wonder if that last "Bindings=(Name="RightMouseButton",Command="ToggleAimOn")" is a superfluous bit of code. I shall play around with it some more tomorrow.

How's it coming along? I'm wishing it was a menu option.

[Mister Mumbles]

I tinkered around with it a bit but it's still requiring two clicks at times. *shrug* Still better than having to hold the right button down.

[edddeduck]

Mister Mumbles, on 16 December 2010 - 12:54 AM, said:

I tinkered around with it a bit but it's still requiring two clicks at times. *shrug* Still better than having to hold the right button down.

Send me your edited ini file or the line numbers and what you have edited in a PM and I will see if I can have a look and see if I can have it added as a user selectable option in a patch. Same goes for any ini tweaks for BioShock I cannot guarantee we will use them but if you sent them over we will have a look.

Edwin

[UmarOMC1]

Is that all you did? I edited the WillowInput.ini file after backing it up, copy/pasted the text, started Borderlands... no go- still had to hold down the right mouse button. I wasn't happy [about that not working] but decided to go ahead with my game. I haven't tried multiplayer yet, I'm actually enjoying the single player quite a bit. I'm only a level 17 soldier.

[edddeduck]

UmarOMC1, on 16 December 2010 - 03:50 AM, said:

Is that all you did? I edited the WillowInput.ini file after backing it up, copy/pasted the text, started Borderlands... no go- still had to hold down the right mouse button. I wasn't happy [about that not working] but decided to go ahead with my game. I haven't tried multiplayer yet, I'm actually enjoying the single player quite a bit. I'm only a level 17 soldier.

Try and follow these instructions on your ini file. The file you are looking to edit is in the following location.

~/Library/Preferences/Feral\ Interactive/Borderlands/MacInit/WillowInput.ini (~ means your home folder)

Edwin

[UmarOMC1]

edddeduck, on 16 December 2010 - 04:39 AM, said:

Try and follow these instructions on your ini file. The file you are looking to edit is in the following location.

~/Library/Preferences/Feral\ Interactive/Borderlands/MacInit/WillowInput.ini (~ means your home folder)

Edwin

Thanks again... it's a no-go, though. Yeah, I hadn't had to hunt down that elusive Feral Interactive folder since I was tweaking Bioshock so I made Aliases for each and slapped them in Bioshock's and Borderlands' folder.

I placed in the replacement code:
Bindings=(Name="RightMouseButton",Command="ZoomIn",Control=False,Shift=False,Alt=False,LeftTrigger=False,RightTrigger=False,bIgnoreCtrl=False,bIgnoreShift=False,bIgnoreAlt=False)

...and placed:
Bindings=(Name="ZoomIn",Command="advancedbutton bAdvancedButtonAux5 | StartAltFire | setbind RightMouseButton ZoomOut",Control=False,Shift=False,Alt=False,LeftTrigger=False,RightTrigger=False,bIgnoreCtrl=False,bIgnoreShift=False,bIgnoreAlt=False)
Bindings=(Name="ZoomOut",Command="StopAltFire | setbind RightMouseButton ZoomIn",Control=False,Shift=False,Alt=False,LeftTrigger=False,RightTrigger=False,bIgnoreCtrl=False,bIgnoreShift=False,bIgnoreAlt=False)

...at the end of the "Bindings=..." list, as suggested by the page.

[Smoke_Tetsu]

Well, I have received my copy of Borderlands from Feral and so far it seems as though the performance is more or less the same as with my wrapped version using a recent wrapper. The game also runs the same settings and looks identical image quality\wise. If there is any performance or feature benefits in the feral port they are imperceptible to me. At least not that I can't attribute to my imagination. However it took many revisions before the wrapped version got to the level it's at so it's pretty impressive that Feral's is this way out of the box.

One of these is wrapped the other native...can you tell which one is which in this taste test? (Yes, I loaded the same savegame in both)
[Screenshot A] [Screenshot B]

The one area where there is a very noticable improvement in feral's version is the sound.... it's the first Feral game that I now of that supports multichannel surround sound if you have it setup in audio midi setup. I'm pretty impressed by this sound support even more so than Assassin's Creed II which was previously the best supporting game I had.

By the way all the tweaks I used to use in my wrapped version including the right click zoom in thing work just fine for me in feral's port.

Turning on vsync in feral's port doesn't seem to make any difference whatsoever in fact it kind of seems like it ignores that value the game still has the same amount of tearing either way. Vsync seems to work in my wrapped version and with no performance penalty that I can detect as there's no tearing there. However at this point even just the sound support alone makes me want to play feral's port more. I wish more feral games had sound support like this one does.. especially Bioshock.

[edddeduck]

Smoke_Tetsu, on 16 December 2010 - 07:33 AM, said:

I wish more feral games had sound support like this one does.. especially Bioshock.

This is a new sound library (created initially for the universal patch for Rome TW) so it will be in newer Feral ports (like Borderlands) but not the older ones.

Edwin

[Janichsan]

Smoke_Tetsu, on 16 December 2010 - 07:33 AM, said:

One of these is wrapped the other native...can you tell which one is which in this taste test? (Yes, I loaded the same savegame in both)
[Screenshot A] [Screenshot B]

These links don't seem to work.

[Wumpus]

Runs perfect for me on max settings and resolution, but that's also on my new iMac. Still working on Supreme Commander 2 before I can fully dive into this, but initial impressions are great in terms of performance. Will try it out on my MBP sometime.

[Smoke_Tetsu]

Janichsan, on 16 December 2010 - 08:46 AM, said:

These links don't seem to work.

Yeah my internet connection has been giving me troubles this morning and dropbox is taking forever to upload those files. Should work now.

[Mister Mumbles]

UmarOMC1, on 16 December 2010 - 03:50 AM, said:

Is that all you did? I edited the WillowInput.ini file after backing it up, copy/pasted the text, started Borderlands... no go- still had to hold down the right mouse button.

All I had to do is do as what you posted in your very first post here:

Quote

Find Under The "[Engine.PlayerInput]" Section: Code: Bindings=(Name="RightMouseButton",Command="advancedbutton bAdvancedButtonAux5")

Replace With: Code: Bindings=(Name="ToggleAimOn",Command="advancedbutton bAdvancedButtonAux5 | OnRelease StartAltFire | setbind RightMouseButton ToggleAimOff")
Bindings=(Name="ToggleAimOff",Command="advancedbutton bAdvancedButtonAux5 | OnRelease StopAltFire | setbind RightMouseButton ToggleAimOn")
Bindings=(Name="RightMouseButton",Command="ToggleAimOn")

I'm not sure exactly what I have to do so I don't have to double-click at times, but it works. I'm too scared to play around with the code too much since I'd expect to bork something up that way.

[edddeduck]

Mister Mumbles, on 16 December 2010 - 10:57 AM, said:

All I had to do is do as what you posted in your very first post here:


I'm not sure exactly what I have to do so I don't have to double-click at times, but it works. I'm too scared to play around with the code too much since I'd expect to bork something up that way.

I sent Omar my ini via a PM. Sent you the same file I use here at Feral as well via a PM.

Edwin

[UmarOMC1]

My response to ed: This edit works fine. Thank you very much, Ed. I can see why it was said  that sometimes one might have to "click twice" to activate and  deactivate aiming down sight- there seems to be a general delay in  mouse-click reaction time, giving a short moment before clicking the  button again seems to work flawlessly as opposed to going "rapid fire"  on it. I'm wondering if it has something to do with mouse smoothing- as,  well, it usually does (ie; a warning box pops up in Starcraft II before  enabling mouse smoothing).

Thanks again!  

[BifBologna]

Quick question for those of you who have already received your copy of Borderlands... where did you order from? I pre-ordered directly from Feral. My copy shipped on the 9th but I've yet to see it. I'm wondering if it shipped from the U.K via balloon or something.

Thanks,
Bif

[UmarOMC1]

I ordered direct from Feral... I've been playing it for five days now...

[BifBologna]

UmarOMC1, on 19 December 2010 - 01:17 AM, said:

I ordered direct from Feral... I've been playing it for five days now...

Hmmm.... might be gettin' grumpy. Where are you located? And, how was it shipped... mail? UPS? FedEX?

[UmarOMC1]

BifBologna, on 19 December 2010 - 01:29 AM, said:

Hmmm.... might be gettin' grumpy. Where are you located? And, how was it shipped... mail? UPS? FedEX?

New York- it was shipped via regular U.K. Air Mail in an envelope. I'm not quite sure if they might be able to provide package tracking.