[Atticus]

http://www.macworld....surrection.html

“In general, I am super-excited for the iPhone as a platform for Id to be involved in,” said Carmack. He said that he hopes to bring the entire “classic” Id Software game line — Doom, Quake, even Quake 3 — to the iPhone and iPod touch, along with updated versions of Id Software’s mobile titles, Orcs & Elves and Doom RPG.

Atticus

[Frost]

I have to admit, my desire to get an iPod Touch has been rising exponentially lately.

[DaveyJJ]

Hopefully they can do all this without using the 3GS-exclusive Open GL/EL 2.0 which will not run on any iPhone/touch pre-June 19. ngmoco isn't going to do 3GS exclusive games and I think that 40,000,000+ users hope iD won't either.

[dojoboy]

I will buy this.

Also, pray for me. As I've been trying my best to resist purchasing the new 3G S.

[DaveyJJ]

dojoboy, on June 10th 2009, 04:11 PM, said:

I will buy this.

Also, pray for me. As I've been trying my best to resist purchasing the new 3G S.

I will. I can not bring myself to spend $3200 on a phone and it's three year contract. Not yet, at least while my wife is watching Shhhh.

[Eric5h5]

Frost, on June 10th 2009, 03:32 PM, said:

I have to admit, my desire to get an iPod Touch has been rising exponentially lately.

Go for it. I got one primarily for development, but it's actually a great device.

--Eric

[dojoboy]

DaveyJJ, on June 10th 2009, 05:55 PM, said:

I will. I can not bring myself to spend $3200 on a phone and it's three year contract. Not yet, at least while my wife is watching Shhhh.

I get a $30 cell phone stipend each month from my employer. It's been going toward prepaid minutes. I'm rationalizing it could cover the data plan, and then I'd have the same cell bill as my wife. However, that's then approx. $60 more a month going out. Hmmm.

[Frost]

Eric5h5, on June 10th 2009, 05:14 PM, said:

Go for it. I got one primarily for development, but it's actually a great device.

Is it also getting the internal upgrades the iPhone 3G S is getting that speeds up the interface, apps, etc?

If it is that might be the thing that finally justifies blowing some cash on one.

DaveyJJ, on June 10th 2009, 04:55 PM, said:

I will. I can not bring myself to spend $3200 on a phone and it's three year contract. Not yet, at least while my wife is watching Shhhh.

Ditto. iPhone's nice, but I do NOT use my phone that much and web access on the go, while nice, isn't worth that much money to me. My RAZR V3i with GoPhone service suits me just fine so far.

Defenses against buying an iPod Touch are weakening quickly, however.

[Eric5h5]

Frost, on June 10th 2009, 10:51 PM, said:

Is it also getting the internal upgrades the iPhone 3G S is getting that speeds up the interface, apps, etc?

I don't think Apple has officially said, but I'm thinking there's pretty much a 0% chance that it wouldn't. It wouldn't make much sense using different components across two product lines when it would be cheaper to use the same ones. September seems to be the month that they're updated.

--Eric

[ltcommander.data]

Eric5h5, on June 10th 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

I don't think Apple has officially said, but I'm thinking there's pretty much a 0% chance that it wouldn't. It wouldn't make much sense using different components across two product lines when it would be cheaper to use the same ones. September seems to be the month that they're updated.

--Eric

Well, the iPhone 3G is still continuing to be sold, so ARM11+MBX isn't going away anytime soon. Apple could well decide to keep the same processor and GPU on the iPod Touch, since it's up-clocked decently already, and just add in the digital compass and maybe video camera. That still gives a pretty significant feature upgrade while keeping the iPhone 3G S, the definitive flagship device. Although given it's title as the "funnest" iPod, it would definitely make sense to give the next iPod Touch the ARM A8 + SGX. Certainly, a 16GB iPod Touch with OpenGL ES 2.0 for $229 looks very competitive against the new $249 PSP Go even if the touch interface is still controversial for gaming.

[Eric5h5]

ltcommander.data, on June 11th 2009, 09:17 PM, said:

Well, the iPhone 3G is still continuing to be sold, so ARM11+MBX isn't going away anytime soon.

True, but is that just getting rid of the remaining stock? In any case, I bet five battle bucks that the touch gets upgraded in a few months.

--Eric

[Pegasus]

Here's a Doom: Resurrection gameplay trailer for those interested. Frankly, it doesn't look all that hot to me. *shrug*

I'd be much more interested in Doom RPG.

[ltcommander.data]

Eric5h5, on June 11th 2009, 09:59 PM, said:

True, but is that just getting rid of the remaining stock? In any case, I bet five battle bucks that the touch gets upgraded in a few months.

--Eric

The $99 8GB iPhone 3G is supposed to be a legitimate, permanent model and is why analysts were concerned about the Palm Pre. For game developers, John Cormack has said he thinks the cheaper iPhone 3G is more significant than the iPhone 3G S since it opens up a whole new product segment to increase user base. The $149 16GB iPhone 3G is the temporary while supplies last model.

Pegasus, on June 11th 2009, 10:06 PM, said:

Here's a Doom: Resurrection gameplay trailer for those interested. Frankly, it doesn't look all that hot to me. *shrug*

I'd be much more interested in Doom RPG.

In terms of graphics, I found the backgrounds and environments looked very detailed, at least in the smaller rooms, while the character models and blood effects were not.

John Cormack has said that a 2 times increase in graphics performance is possible in existing MBX based iPhones/Touches if Apple put the time into their OpenGL stack. While that'll probably require a complete rewrite, which is probably unreasonable at this stage, it'd be great if Apple went through the easier optimizations and got even a 10-20% speedup on existing hardware.

Has there been any word from game developers that iPhone 3.0 will bring increase graphics performance over iPhone 2.2 on existing games and hardware? I guess there isn't an easy way for users to compare fps for themselves before and after the 3.0 update.

[teflon]

The touch will no doubt get updated at the same time as the rest of the iPod range, so yes Eric, youre probably right. But I only gave you odds of 1 to 50, so no loss there...

[Janichsan]

Pegasus, on June 12th 2009, 04:06 AM, said:

Here's a Doom: Resurrection gameplay trailer for those interested. Frankly, it doesn't look all that hot to me. *shrug*

I'd be much more interested in Doom RPG.

That's definitely the most impressive iPhone FPS I've seen so far. Prey Invasion – while technically pretty good – was just too dumbed down for my taste. I'm just very sceptical about Doom's tilt control scheme.

EDIT: Hm, I have to take that back in parts. Seems like D:R is no "real" FPS, but a rail shooter.

And regarding Doom RPG: I don't know if you have already seen that game (it's already out for other cell phones for two years or so), but it's an extremely simplistic RPG based on the original Doom – including the original Doom's graphics.