[CaryMG]

The Golden Age of interactive software is the 16-Bit era -- it's hearld, the 1st 16-Bit computer: the Apple Macintosh.

IMHO, 1st person perspective 3D polygonic graphics --FlatShade/Phong/Gourad -- is the way to go to most affect immersion.
The first piece of software to do his -- in 1987 -- is David Smith's "The Colony".


"The Colony"

And there exists a color version -- watch it's creator play it himself > "The Colony" In Color

[Eric5h5]

The Mac was far from being the first 16-bit computer. There were 1st-person 3D polygon games before The Colony. Also, none of your screenshots ever show up.

--Eric

[Chregu]

I remember The Colony. It was one of the first games I ever played. Or try to play, because my English skills were zero back then. Nevertheless it counts as one of the most terrifying games I ever play; not knowing what I was doing, and all of a sudden standing in front of a flying alien.

[CaryMG]

Eric5h5, on May 30th 2009, 02:02 PM, said:

... none of your screenshots ever show up.

My apologies for that -- it's being addressed.

[Frost]

The Colony was awesome. Used to play that on my SE/30. If nothing else, the sheer capability of it is amazing considering how absolutely primitive other games of the time were.

[CaryMG]

Eric5h5, on May 30th 2009, 02:02 PM, said:

There were 1st-person 3D polygon games before The Colony.

Can ya tell me two ?
I'm a huge proponent of the 1st person perspective flatshade polygonal [1FFFP] asthetic & I wanna be accurate as to where I laud my praise.
And no -- I don't mean ATARI's "I, Robot".
Great great game and I'm so not knocking it -- ATARI arcade games are my favorite -- but those aren't 1FFFP per se & it's an arcadegame.
I mean computergames.

And I think I can get the images working now -- how's this ?

[Eric5h5]

CaryMG, on June 1st 2009, 11:43 AM, said:

Can ya tell me two ?

Sure: Arctic Fox on the Amiga in 1986, The Sentinel, also in 1986 (Amiga version in 1987).

Also the first 16-bit home computer was I believe the TI-99, a good 4-5 years before the Macintosh.

No go on the image, sorry....

--Eric

[Tesseract]

Yeah, I hate to break it to you, but the very first Mac used a 32-bit Motorola 68000 CPU.

[Eric5h5]

The 68000 wasn't really 32-bit; more of a 16/32-bit hybrid.

--Eric

[Frost]

Who else just had a flashback of the Mode 32 extension loading during startup thanks to the last two posts?

[CaryMG]

Eric5h5, on June 1st 2009, 03:03 PM, said:

Arctic Fox on the Amiga in 1986, The Sentinel, also in 1986 (Amiga version in 1987).

OK -- for whatever reason I think "The Sentinel" is wireframe. lol
"ArticFox" is a shooter.
"The Colony" I mean to say, is the first flatshade polygon 1st person adventure.
I should be clear -- sorry.

Eric5h5, on June 1st 2009, 03:03 PM, said:

No go on the image, sorry....

Jeezum crow ..... lol
OK -- one more time ....


"The Colony"

If that doesn't work, I give up ! lol

[PeopleLikeFrank]

CaryMG, on June 1st 2009, 04:17 PM, said:

OK -- for whatever reason I think "The Sentinel" is wireframe. lol
"ArticFox" is a shooter.
"The Colony" I mean to say, is the first flatshade polygon 1st person adventure.
I should be clear -- sorry.
Jeezum crow ..... lol

Oh sure you did. Just gonna keep movin' those goal-posts, aren'tcha?



I gots one! Flight Simulator! It's like, from the first-person of a plane...

[Eric5h5]

CaryMG, on June 1st 2009, 04:17 PM, said:

OK -- for whatever reason I think "The Sentinel" is wireframe. lol

It's not. Not even the C64 version is wireframe. And yes, I'm sure The Colony was the first flat-shaded polygon 1st-person adventure game ever to be called "The Colony", although I'm not clear why we're sub-categorizing quite so finely.

Quote

OK -- one more time ....

It works!!! I can see!!!!!!!

--Eric

[CaryMG]

Eric5h5, on June 1st 2009, 04:29 PM, said:

It's not.

I know -- now -- it isn't.
That's what I say.

Eric5h5, on June 1st 2009, 04:29 PM, said:

It works!!!

Jesus -- thank God.
And I really hafta jump through hoops ta find a website that works.
One that -- of course -- doesn't work with iCab so I hafta use Safari just to put on an image.

[Janichsan]

Eric5h5, on June 1st 2009, 09:03 PM, said:

Sure: Arctic Fox on the Amiga in 1986, The Sentinel, also in 1986 (Amiga version in 1987).

There were flat-shaded first-person perspective games even before that – down to the 8-bit era. The oldest one that I know the title of is Capture the Flag. There was at least one other maze game before that with similar graphics, but I don't remember what it was called.

[Rev-O]

Eric5h5, on June 1st 2009, 01:03 PM, said:

Sure: Arctic Fox on the Amiga in 1986, The Sentinel, also in 1986 (Amiga version in 1987).

Also the first 16-bit home computer was I believe the TI-99, a good 4-5 years before the Macintosh.

No go on the image, sorry....

--Eric

I loved the Sentinel. Spent many hours playing it on the old ST.

[Tesseract]

Eric5h5, on June 2nd 2009, 05:49 AM, said:

The 68000 wasn't really 32-bit

I'm sure that's true for some definition of "really".

[Eric5h5]

Tesseract, on June 11th 2009, 01:04 PM, said:

I'm sure that's true for some definition of "really".

It didn't have a 32-bit address bus. There was software written for it that failed on 100% 32-bit chips because of that.

--Eric

[Eric D.V.H.]

Eric5h5, on June 11th 2009, 11:26 AM, said:

It didn't have a 32-bit address bus. There was software written for it that failed on 100% 32-bit chips because of that.

Every time somebody calls 68k machines with 16-bit busses 16-bit, it chisels away at my remaining faith in humanity. I mean, when my Classic (powered by the exact same 68000 as the original 128k Mac) used 32-bit addressing, I guess it must've been infested with magical pink pixies or something.

…I miss those pixies…

If that were actually true, then every Powermac from the original 601 models was really a 64-bit computer, wow! Even dumber than the bit-depth one is when peoplecomplete idiots say that old 68k Macs with a 2:1 FSB ratio had “clock-doubled CPUs,” so my 660/av didn't “actually” have a 50MHz CPU, but a 25MHz one. By the same token, I suppose the current 2.8GHz MBP “really” has a 1GHz CPU. Right.

Still, the good part is that nobody is stupid enough to say dumb nonsense like that about contemporary computers nowadays.

Eric,

[Eric5h5]

Eric D.V.H., on July 3rd 2009, 01:49 AM, said:

I guess it must've been infested with magical pink pixies or something.

You mean magical pink ponies, obviously. Talk about losing your faith in humanity....

--Eric