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#121 Mr. Selvetarm

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 07:56 PM

What is this jam of which you speak?

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 09:23 PM

View PostmR.sELvETaRM, on August 24th 2008, 09:56 PM, said:

What is this jam of which you speak?
Probably strawberry jam. However, I prefer strawberry preserves. Blackberry and raspberry is fine too.
Blueberry is the best and never tried gooseberry. Blackcurrant is very nice also.
And don't even get me started on orange marmalade. :happy:

I've never understood the people's fascination with jelly, besides is low price and it's on sale quite often.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 03:17 AM

View PostDark_Archon, on August 25th 2008, 08:37 AM, said:

my goal isn't to keep text size constant. I want smaller text that still looks sharp to increase screen real estate. My current 19" 1440*900 displays aren't capable of this.

When did I say I didn't want smaller text?
I'd just like a point to actually be a point (1/72 of an inch) again, personally.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 04:16 AM

really? are you serious?
but then wed end up with laptops that have a resolution of less than 1024x768 for 17" screens.
Equally, a 24" screen would have maybe 1440x900 at most.
Im sorry, but calling for that to happen is tantamount to lunacy. You lose definition, you lose real estate, you lose multitasking ability, you lose power efficiency. And it would look horrible too.

No around 100dpi is the best solution. Thats why Apple initially went for 23" instead of 24" for 1920x1200, cos it fits in with 20" display's and also the 30" display's dot pitch. The rest of the industry, though, went for cheap and cheerful with 24" and were now suffering for it with their 22" and 26" displays....
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Posted 25 August 2008 - 05:03 AM

View Postteflon, on August 25th 2008, 08:16 PM, said:

No around 100dpi is the best solution. Thats why Apple initially went for 23" instead of 24" for 1920x1200, cos it fits in with 20" display's and also the 30" display's dot pitch. The rest of the industry, though, went for cheap and cheerful with 24" and were now suffering for it with their 22" and 26" displays....
Sorry, I am a bit confused. Do you mean we are?

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 05:08 AM

WTF is jelly?

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 05:32 AM

yes, we are around 100dpi. 24" in the iMac has the lowest dpi  of all macs on sale, which is 95-ish dpi.
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Posted 25 August 2008 - 05:38 AM

View PostTesseract, on August 25th 2008, 11:17 AM, said:

I'd just like a point to actually be a point (1/72 of an inch) again, personally.
Don't confuse the size of a point with that of a pixel on your monitor. Actually, when your monitor is set to the correct dpi value, it should display a typographical point in the correct size (at least when you set the scaling factor to 100 %).

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 02:38 AM

View PostJanichsan, on August 25th 2008, 09:38 PM, said:

Don't confuse the size of a point with that of a pixel on your monitor.
I'm not (or are you addresing teffy?). My point is that proper scaling (necessary for "resolution independence") could ensure that things are rendered at the correct size. As it stands, I can choose e.g. "12 point" text and it will be a different size depending on the resolution my monitor is set to.

Not that this will help the web, where things are completely broken with everyone assuming a constant conversion factor between points and pixels, mixing the two, manually tweaking until things match up and then expecting it to work everywhere. :bleedingeyes:

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 02:57 AM

View PostTesseract, on August 26th 2008, 10:38 AM, said:

I'm not (or are you addresing teffy?). My point is that proper scaling (necessary for "resolution independence") could ensure that things are rendered at the correct size. As it stands, I can choose e.g. "12 point" text and it will be a different size depending on the resolution my monitor is set to.
No, I adressed you. But okay, I see what you mean. When you set a display to 640x480, 12 pt is bigger than when the display is set to 1440x900, right? That's true and seems to be an OS-side problem. It appears that only the dpi value for the native resolution of the display is considered, so that only at that resolution 12 pt are actually 12 pt (well, they would be if most allegedly WYSIWYG applications wouldn't scale incorrectly at "100 %").

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 12:43 PM

View Postteflon, on August 25th 2008, 03:16 AM, said:

No around 100dpi is the best solution
For what? For text on a laptop you'd want something like 300-600 dpi to compete with printed materials. 150 dpi might be about right on a close-up 30" cinema display, but 100 dpi would probably be overkill at over a meter. Project it onto a classroom's wall, and even 10 dpi is pointless.

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 04:56 PM

as a decent compromise between dot pitch, price and size. And youve just reeled of a set of situations which obviously have different solutions. I was talking about desktop screens, which guidance generally suggests should be just under a metre away, 100 dpi is going to be ample.

Its a decent dpi, and means you get screens of a certain size which arent the manufacturers trying to con you out of your money. Charging more for 22" screen instead of a 20" screen at the level that they do so is a fallacy and false economy.
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Posted 28 August 2008 - 11:16 AM

Just to bring the whole MacTablet thing back to the fore ... and yes, I know that not every patent drawing is a device in waiting ...

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