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Posted 18 July 2008 - 03:03 AM

Option-shift-2 = €
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Posted 18 July 2008 - 03:33 AM

Despite it not being fair do doing a straight dollar conversion, there's some more issues:

US Prices does not include sales tax
Canadian Prices include 5% GST
Australian Prices include 10% GST
British Prices include 17.5% VAT
French Prices include 19.6% TVA

It's impossible to try to hold a straight currency policy, especially if you can have some parts manufactured locally in one country (US) while other have to import everything (Europe, where it then gets assembles on Cork, unless it's sent from Asia straight away). Apple is actually one of the few electronics companies that has lowered the non-US prices to reflect the state of the dollar. Sony and Nintendo still charge one Euro per Dollar... And when you move over to Scandinavia, Sony is playing it even worse, charging SEK4495 for the 40GB PS3, or $752 compared to the US $399... but then we have 25% Moms here, so it's really $602... so we only pay 50% more than the US.

But world economy isn't that simple... and if you look at it, Apple is among the fairer players right now.
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Posted 18 July 2008 - 03:26 AM

depends on your keyboard. that gets me this™, cos mines a UK keyboard which has option-2 as €.
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Posted 18 July 2008 - 03:47 AM

Shift-4 on a Swedish keyboard ;)
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Posted 18 July 2008 - 08:26 AM

I'll gladly swap my euro symbol for a pipe symbol - you need 13 fingers to type a pipe symbol on a French Mac keyboard.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 09:03 AM

View Postcharmin, on July 18th 2008, 07:04 PM, said:

I question your use of 'cents' to replace Euros. € < copy and paste it.
Ooops, sorry about that. :blush:

View Postnobody, on July 18th 2008, 07:03 PM, said:

Option-shift-2 = €
Duly noted. Thanks. ;)

I do know that I was a little hard on the pricing, but what i was trying to say, was to raise awareness of being caught out, that is all. :)

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 10:04 AM

Are us Canadians a loud to order from the US store. Or would apple crap themselves at the thought?


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Posted 18 July 2008 - 02:41 PM

View PostSneaky Snake, on July 18th 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

Are us Canadians a loud to order from the US store. Or would apple crap themselves at the thought?
A Canadian IMG Writer asked me to buy a Nike iPod sports kit for him from an American Apple store to mail to him, so I'd say at one time "yes", and it still might be the same case.
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Posted 18 July 2008 - 05:38 PM

View PostWhaleman, on July 18th 2008, 02:33 AM, said:

US Prices does not include sales tax
Canadian Prices include 5% GST
It's like, how much more wrong could this be? and the answer is none. None more wrong. Canada is like the US, with any sales tax being additional.

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It's impossible to try to hold a straight currency policy
My Canadian credit card will charge in USD, with a 1-2%-ish fee on top of week-averaged currency rates. Even that's a bit of a reaming compared to what a large corporation can do, but Apple's rates go way beyond. If they're playing in the 4X market to reduce costs, they're doing it wrong. Most of the stuff people regularly buy is at a much more competitive rate because, well, anyone with half a brain can see right through abject stupidity like that and go to a competitor.

Heck, even airport currency converters usually top out around 5%, and those are considered highway robbery.

If Apple would let me order an iMac straight from the US store, I'd pay about $100 or 9% less. That's one hell of a service charge.

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 04:35 AM

View Postbobbob, on July 19th 2008, 01:38 AM, said:

It's like, how much more wrong could this be? and the answer is none. None more wrong. Canada is like the US, with any sales tax being additional.

My bad and I apologize about that. No need to be a dick about it.

As for the currency rate, if Apple was only one company worldwide (it's not) that only dealt with US dollars, it could possibly have a pure dollar strategy. But trying to keep even pace with a dollar that dropped from 1.18 CAD in March 2007 to 0.93 CAD in November the same year isn't easy, and probably not profitable... I'm not sure how Apple Canada does it, but if they imported parts for a certain value in march, and would try to keep an even dollar policy, they'd make a loss by selling them just a month later. And in Europe the dollar has dropped from EUR 0.85 to 0.63 since late 2005... and while Apple hasn't dropped their prices by 36%, at least they've lowered them somewhat (12ish %) compared to large parts of the electronics industry world (actually MS lowered the prices of the Xbox 360 consoles as well, but nothing else).

I sort of get a feeling that most companies have taken  huge loss due to the unstable dollar, since a lot of them have their funds kept in dollars. Not trying to keep an even dollar policy is probably a buffer they need... and if they would be forced to keep the prices even, it would probably be the US prices that would increase and not the other way around.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 06:26 AM

I do agree, slowly, everything is getting better for the consumers' of Apple's products outside of the US, but it still has a bit of a way to go. That does not mean, that I would blindly rather Apple laptops over any other consumer in the market, I am just saying that Apple still have stuff to iron out.

By the way, at least they are become better, eg: having better video cards in their iMacs and Mac Pros. they just need to keep the trend with the Macbook Pro's. ;)

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 09:48 AM

the problem with GPUs is that laptop parts simply arent very good unless you go for the very top end ones, at which point theyre kicking out a lot of heat and so wouldnt suit the MBP's profile.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 02:07 PM

That doesn't have to be. We all know apple changes their architecture around stuff, so either they reprogram the card (or let it be reprogrammed) and let it run slower, just in order to gear up when it's necessary or they change the stuff around it. If they're redesigning anyway, might pay off for a better/high end gpu.

Oh and the MBP is high heat. I don't have much experience with laptops, agreed, but it (my mbp second rev.) gets *really* hot if you use it more than thirty minutes at high speed. Sometimes it revvs up without a reason, too.

My point being, I think heat is "part" of the MBPs profile. Because the point of the MBP is either working, or playing. or playworking. Either way, it'll revv up, thereby causing heat. And enough of it too.


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Posted 19 July 2008 - 06:21 PM

My MBP is HOT. I mean this thing seriously burns my lap. In less I have either my case or my cooling pad underneath my lappy (which I recently christened Sabrina) I can't keep it on my lap for over a minute.

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 06:27 PM

Have you ever tried cooking breakfast on your MBP? ;)

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 08:09 PM

View PostQuantaCat, on July 19th 2008, 09:07 PM, said:

Oh and the MBP is high heat. I don't have much experience with laptops, agreed, but it (my mbp second rev.) gets *really* hot if you use it more than thirty minutes at high speed. Sometimes it revvs up without a reason, too.

ok ok, ill try brevity. yeesh!

which is precisely why they cant put a GPU in there which produces more heat. Its already balanced so that the CPU and GPU hover around 50ºC when Idling, so thats fine, but if the GPU then puts out 80ºC instead of 75ºC under load and has to do so for long periods of time the cooling system isnt going to be able to get rid of the heat.

and yeah, the MBP is designed to dissipate heat as efficiently as possible through its metallic exterior, which is why its often very hot to hold (but so is the MB and other competing "laptops")

and mR.sELvetaRM, laptop is no longer the correct terminology. Its now Notebook, as excess heat to your genitalia can cause impotence, and if you put it under stress these things can get almost too hot to touch (depending on circumstances). having it on your lap is more likely to mess up the vents at the back and restrict heat dissipation on the bottom thus leading to a hotter running laptop.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 08:53 PM

View PostThe Liberator, on July 19th 2008, 08:27 PM, said:

Have you ever tried cooking breakfast on your MBP? ;)

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I tried cooking an egg on th back once, but the yolk slipped down my vents and made it even more hot!

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 03:53 AM

Still, for lan play, sometimes the only possibility is LAPTOP GOODNESS!
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 05:38 AM

View PostWhaleman, on July 19th 2008, 03:35 AM, said:

trying to keep even pace with a dollar that dropped from 1.18 CAD in March 2007 to 0.93 CAD in November the same year isn't easy, and probably not profitable.
Yeah, which is why it's a mistake since they suck at playing the market. Still has nothing to do with them stopping furreners from buying at the US Online Apple Store in US funds. Amazon lets me buy books and stuff from the US site, for example. I typically save ~1-2%, if at all, that way, but it's my option. Sometimes customs will slip and I won't be charged tax, even. That's quite the bonus.

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while Apple hasn't dropped their prices by 36%, at least they've lowered them somewhat (12ish %) compared to large parts of the electronics industry
In Canada we pay parity in a lot of geeky areas, mostly software, and are very close to parity in hardware except at Apple.

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I sort of get a feeling that most companies have taken  huge loss due to the unstable dollar
They're keeping the US prices relatively constant despite rampant USD inflation, so their loss is in the US first and foremost. It has nothing to do with conversion rates. Somewhat smarter* companies like Nintendo have kept the price constant, but are limiting shipments to US to constrain their loss. The Fed can't drop the interest rate much more, and will likely raise it within 6 months, so we'll see how it goes.

*Depending on whether the good is normal or inferior. KD and ramen, for example, would probably be seeing more US sales.