What are the best Mac Turn Based Strategy Games?
Posted 11 June 2008 - 08:51 PM
I joined the forum to help promote my favorite game Star Chamber, but while I'm here I'd love to know what people think are the best turn based strategy games out there at the moment.
My favorite is Star Chamber, but I also like Battle for Wesnoth. I was a big fan of the Heroes of Might and Magic series, but I hate Heroes V. It represents a disturbing trend I see in commercial computer games these days where they seem to think that pretty 3d graphics are necessary for the game to sell, and pursue them at the expense of gameplay. I find the need to constantly rotate and zoom the camera really time consuming, disorienting, and frustrating and not suited to the genre at all.
I'm also not a huge fan of the real time Dune II/Warcraft style strategy games. I like a little time to ponder my moves. Any other good turn based games out there?
Posted 11 June 2008 - 09:23 PM
Yes, Civilization. There have been Mac versions of all of them so far, but only III and IV run on OS X. IV is the best, if your computer can handle it. The port is, alas, more sluggish than it should be.
Posted 12 June 2008 - 01:41 AM
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Posted 12 June 2008 - 03:55 AM
Supernova and Supernova 2
Strange Adventures in Infinite Space
Ticket to Ride
Combat Mission series (some only work booted into OS 9, though because of Rave graphic requirements)
There are also turn-based RPGs like:
Gorky 17 (which also has strategy-based battles)
Posted 12 June 2008 - 04:52 AM
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Posted 12 June 2008 - 05:01 AM
I haven't played for a while, but I seem to remember that moving to a new planet constituted a new turn (which used up available time), and that the game waited for you to make decisions. Strictly speaking, you are right, but it is pretty close.
In addition to the RPGs I listed before, it should be noted that the Baldur's Gate series, Icewind Dale, and I believe, Neverwinter Nights let you set pause options so that the game can almost be played turn-based.
The Heroes of Might and Magic series were some of the best turn-based games.
Posted 12 June 2008 - 07:07 AM
And the sequel, Domination. I wish that wasn't a download and was available normally; I played Massive Assault to death. Something strangely compelling about that even against the AI, which is fairly terrible so I was stuck playing the 3 maps with essentially no naval combat, so there was at least a 2% chance the AI could win....
Posted 12 June 2008 - 07:39 AM
For me, the biggest problem was VPs port of Massive Assault. That thing ran horribly on my well-above specs computer. Plus, the final mission of the final campaign would always crash upon victory. The final strike came when they disabled multiplayer, which was the best way to experience that game.
Taken together, I can say the game is great, the port is terrible, and support is nonexistant. I decided to take a pass on domination until VP could find a way to take its collective head out of the sand. I just don't trust the quality of their ports.
Posted 12 June 2008 - 08:03 AM
Posted 13 June 2008 - 09:11 AM
Hmm. In retrospect, I'm too harsh on VP. They actually produced beautiful ports of Spartan and Gates of Troy (two other fantastic turn-based strategy games, especially if you like ancient Greek culture and pseudo-civilization style gameplay). So that suggests that VP was handed a huge file of messy code, and tried to make the best of the situation.
Still, I did really enjoy Massive Assault. Has anyone purchased Domination, and can they give us a brief review/assurance that the quality issues that plagued MA have been worked out?
Posted 13 June 2008 - 11:09 AM
Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:50 AM
Posted 14 June 2008 - 11:53 AM
The 3D part of CivIV is fine, as far as not being annoying goes (not so fine as far as being fast, at least on the Mac version).
You should probably just skip Massive Assault and get Domination. The game is largely the same, plus Domination is Universal.
Posted 15 June 2008 - 10:20 AM
I wanted to like it because I usually love this type of trading/quest/exploration game. But I found the "humor" to be so sexist and homophobic that it disgusted me.
Posted 15 June 2008 - 02:36 PM
I agree with Eric about going right to Domination. There's definitely more bang for your buck. I wrote the review of Domination for IMG, and I have a fairly middle-of-the-road iMac (24", 2.16 GHz Intel Processor, 2G of RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT graphics card). Anyway, it runs very well; the only slowdowns I noticed were when there were a lot of moves for the computer to make up its mind about. I'd recommend this game as long as you hit the "mute" button during the terrible voice-acting parts. Read the review and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Posted 15 June 2008 - 10:53 PM
To be specific, only the first game of the series (Combat Mission: Beyond Overloard) had a hybrid CD that allowed the game to play on OS9. All other releases are Windows only. The developers have responded that they were fed up when Steve Jobs went to OSX and decided it was not worth porting. I've tried it in Classic Mode under Tiger, but it's pretty flaky.
Such a great series... This is worth installing Bootcamp to play. I'm normally a RTS person, but this was the game that convinced me of how a turn based system could be fun. It's actually better than turn based in that both players set up the commands in advance at the same time, and then watch the action in real time. They call it a WE GO system. It's got a pretty kick ass map editor/scenario editor, and there are TONS of skins for it.
The game is actually quite easy to learn and play -- but tough to master.
Posted 16 June 2008 - 06:56 AM
Barbarossa to Berlin
Afrika Korps (I think this one runs under OS X all right)
You are correct that only the first game came on a hybrid CD. The other two had separate Mac and Windows CDs, and their latest games seem to be aimed mostly at Windows.
Posted 16 June 2008 - 07:52 AM
AK runs on OSX? Really?? Can anyone confirm this? I'll buy it in a second of true. Beyond Overlord is one of my favourite all time Mac games, ever. I loved that game and think I played that more than any other game on my Mac in the day.
EDIT ... Nope.
"Since this game is still based on the original Combat Mission code which was designed to run on Rave3D and that API is not currently supported in OS-X, CMAK will not run in native OS-X mode. In all likelihood it will also not work in classic mode either but we can not predict what changes Apple may make with Classic Rave3D support between now and the time CMAK is released. Either way, OS-X in native or classic mode is NOT supported. The aforementioned CMX2 engine WILL support OS-X."
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