[Eric5h5]

Of course it's not, nor will it ever be. How about changing "Mac OS Classic" to "PowerPC"? That still has some relevance.

--Eric

[yo-mike]

Eric5h5, on June 3rd 2008, 10:12 PM, said:

Of course it's not, nor will it ever be. How about changing "Mac OS Classic" to "PowerPC"? That still has some relevance.

--Eric

There should be a couple of things out there that still support Classic Mac OS...
Maybe not things reviewed here, but elsewhere.

(Well, at least some things are downward compatible with Classic Mac OS.)

So, yeah. You're on target.

[Eric5h5]

Out of curiosity, what new releases of anything are supporting Classic? It's been years since I've seen a commercial product that did. I think at this point it's a given that Classic isn't supported for any games, so I'd rather see that replaced with a PPC: Supported/Not Supported line instead, which would actually be useful. Come on, it's 2008.

--Eric

[yo-mike]

Eric5h5, on June 4th 2008, 02:40 AM, said:

Out of curiosity, what new releases of anything are supporting Classic? It's been years since I've seen a commercial product that did.

--Eric

Many, many games support versions of Mac OS X and Classic.
Starbase deffender, Tomb Raider Chronicles (available on MGS - last I saw) and games on Ambrosia's site.
Maybe not new. But still available and supported.

[yo-mike]

Eric5h5, on June 4th 2008, 02:40 AM, said:

I think at this point it's a given that Classic isn't supported for any games, so I'd rather see that replaced with a PPC: Supported/Not Supported line instead, which would actually be useful. Come on, it's 2008.

I think you're correct.
But, some Classic users still are part-time Classic users. So, they just aren't going to give it up on a dime.
10 years later or whatever. There's news on updates all the time, it's usefull stuff to be sure. But, they still use their Classic apps and games and there's nothing like using Classic.

Sure you're not up-to-date But for everything else Classic runs pretty nicely.
Of course it depends on what you're using and how much time you've got.

Some of the old G3s and G4s where some well made machines before the Bad Caps plague.

[Eric5h5]

I don't think you answered my question. Or maybe you did. This isn't a debate about Classic's worthiness or lack thereof, it's a comment on the fact that no new games support Classic and haven't done for years, so how about making IMG slightly more useful and saying whether new games support PPC or not? Because we know Classic isn't supported; that's useless info these days. That's all.

--Eric

[yo-mike]

Eric5h5, on June 4th 2008, 03:18 AM, said:

I don't think you answered my question. Or maybe you did. This isn't a debate about Classic's worthiness or lack thereof, it's a comment on the fact that no new games support Classic and haven't done for years, so how about making IMG slightly more useful and saying whether new games support PPC or not? Because we know Classic isn't supported; that's useless info these days. That's all.

--Eric

I think a good reply is: Many games have updates to them that make them intel Mac ready.
Some games where for classic to begin with, then they where carbonized, then they may have updates/patches to
make them intel Mac compatible. Soooooooooo, are they Classic Mac OS supported? Yes.

Maybe in another ten years we can drop the Classic Mac OS supported? Possibly.
I don't think now is the proper time honestly.

[QuantaCat]

ten?! software world, OSes don't survive two years, let alone ten. It's amazing that you use this OS at all, as I'm sure only nostalgists use them on their old PPCs.

"surviving" is by no standard "still being good". as it's just "another version". But if unsupported, and unused, I wouldn't count on it.

[Eric5h5]

yo-mike, on June 4th 2008, 03:30 AM, said:

I think a good reply is: Many games have updates to them that make them intel Mac ready.
Some games where for classic to begin with, then they where carbonized, then they may have updates/patches to
make them intel Mac compatible. Soooooooooo, are they Classic Mac OS supported? Yes.

That's not what "supported" means in this context. Anyway, I see the Gametap review has CPU: Intel in it, so hey, we're all set! (It also says Mac OS Classic: Not supported, sorry. )

--Eric

[XxtraLarGe]

Until I got my new iMac, we had to use Classic all the time to scan documents. Our old scanner didn't have plugins for OS X. I've given consideration to buying a high-end PowerPC just to put classic on to play several of the games I never got to play all the way through. I think the 800 MHz eMac w/Radeon 7500 would fit the bill perfectly.

[yo-mike]

Eric, :

Avernum 4 was just released a little over 2 years
ago. Peter Cohen was quite impressed with his review that it supported all the way down to Mac OS 8.1!

You can also see how it's noted specifically on IMG that it supports Mac OS 8.1 Here

This is all part of Inside Mac Games reviews. We all love to read about this stuff and where it's come from and if it is supported on PPC,
Classic OSs, Intel Macs, Tiger PPC, Tiger Intel, Panther, Jaguar, VRAM requirements, CPU requirements, etc.

I just think (and hope others do too) that all this means something to the readers here on IMG.
There's many people still using OS 10.1 and 10.2.x too. Incidentally many games on MGS and elsewhere that are 'new' still support
Mac OS 10.2.x. There's obviously some users to whom this matters.

Places where these users chummy around and help each other include: os9forever.com, google groups, and Apple Discussions.
Also, lowendmac.com. xlr8yourmac.com, and many other things like podcasts and mailing lists.

Does all this matter? Of course! Not only now, but more-so in the time to come by reason of the Intel switch. Why are people so interested in Sheepshaver.?

Nostalgia and pure enjoyment! It's beautiful! People are keeping Classic Mac OSs alive and fun! - Not only
for themselves, but for the new generation that hasn't had a chance to get their feet wet in Classic Mac OSs!
This matters. Very much.

[Eric5h5]

Thank you for missing the point, but since the most recent review on IMG had the type of CPU in it, that's what matters, so as far as I'm concerned this topic served its purpose. Probably it was a coincidence, but who cares...I'm just going to pretend they put that in at my request. The only thing the "Mac OS Classic" line will ever say from now on, and the only thing it's said for quite a long time, is "not supported", but if they want to leave that in for whoever cares, that's cool. My point was that we have another transition going on, so it would be nice to have some up-front info about what's supported or not.

--Eric

[yo-mike]

Fine.

But, as far as I'm concerned Classic games that have been carbonized and run on Intel Macs or have patches to do so,
deserve to have a second review. And of course have "Classic Mac OS" marked "Supported".

I don't think I missed your point, I think I looked at some other facets to this topic that you didn't care to examine, thats all.

This is a Mac gaming community. Of course it matters. Everything Apple Computer/Macintosh Computer games related matters here.

[Eric5h5]

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I don't think I missed your point

Yes, you totally did...you keep focussing on my lead-in, not my actual point, which was about listing whether games support PPC or Intel, since we already know that Classic isn't supported by any new games. This conversation is silly.

--Eric

[Bernie]

After some consideration, I think that yo-mike has missed Eric's point. However, it is easy to see why that happened based on these 2 Google searches of IMG reviews over the past year:

• Mac OS Classic: Any Version
  
• Mac OS Classic: Not Supported

If there really are plenty of new games that support Classic, then it appears that Eric has missed yo-mike's point that Eric's assumption is incorrect.

I think that Eric wants the info area of reviews to contain the most relevant information, which is completely reasonable and a good design decision. (Too much info creates clutter.) PPC support is more relevant these days than Classic support. Actually, being Intel native or not is also pretty important these days.

Let me phrase the question this way, "Should Classic support stay in the info area of new reviews or be something that is mentioned somewhere in the review itself?"

To keep things light-hearted, I would like to preemptively state that you have totally missed my point (until you pay me five bucks).

[XxtraLarGe]

Bernie, on June 5th 2008, 05:44 AM, said:

After some consideration, I think that yo-mike has missed Eric's point. However, it is easy to see why that happened based on these 2 Google searches of IMG reviews over the past year:

• Mac OS Classic: Any Version
  
• Mac OS Classic: Not Supported

If there really are plenty of new games that support Classic, then it appears that Eric has missed yo-mike's point that Eric's assumption is incorrect.

I think that Eric wants the info area of reviews to contain the most relevant information, which is completely reasonable and a good design decision. (Too much info creates clutter.) PPC support is more relevant these days than Classic support. Actually, being Intel native or not is also pretty important these days.

Let me phrase the question this way, "Should Classic support stay in the info area of new reviews or be something that is mentioned somewhere in the review itself?"

To keep things light-hearted, I would like to preemptively state that you have totally missed my point (until you pay me five bucks).

The "any version" list is inaccurate. For instance, they have iPod games on there saying that they support any version of Classic, which is completely wrong. I can't even remember the last version of iTunes that was available for 9.2.2

[Eric5h5]

Ding ding! Bernie wins! Obviously I was overstating the "Classic not supported" bit...or maybe it wasn't so obvious. Hmm. In hindsight probably I should have left that bit out and just said "Any chance we can get a line about PPC/Intel in there?" But that would not have provided nearly the opportunity for yo-mike to miss my point, and this topic would have expired after two posts, and would also not have provided nearly the entertainment value it currently does....

--Eric

[yo-mike]

Oh, it was a blast.

[QuantaCat]

Some people have too much time to make useless posts like.. these.... yes.

[yo-mike]

What-choo talkin' 'bout Willis?

It WAS a blast! It WAS!

Maybe you don't use OS 9 or Classic, but I use it at least a few times a week or more. (sometimes less)