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#21 rob_ART

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 12:05 PM

Apple updated this tech note two days ago:
http://docs.info.app...l?artnum=305346

After listing all the PCIe graphics cards for the G5 and both versions of Mac Pro, they state, "All of these cards are only compatible with the family of computers with which they shipped."

I guess it depends on what they mean by "family of computers."
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 12:18 PM

Looking at the discussions on Apple's support site, apparently people who have ordered the 8800 have received phone calls from Apple advising them that the card wouldn't work in previous Mac Pros.

rob_ART also posted there saying that the source had been an engineer at Blizzard, who wanted to upgrade all of their current MPs.

Presumably all the new cards must use EFI64? Couldn't someone try the stock card in an older MP and see if that works? It would be a different card, by ATi instead of nVidia, but it would be worth a try.
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 12:50 PM

People were able to get stock NVidia 7800 GTs to work in Mac Pros by leaving their 7300GTs in a different slot so the EFI boot stuff could load off them, and then after the boot process, the NVidia quadro drivers worked fine with the 7800 GTs. Is there any chance of something like this working for the 8800 GTs?

Also, hasn't it been confirmed that the 2600XT works fine in the old Mac Pros? Why would they work while the 8800GTs don't?
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 01:15 PM

View PostQuicksilver, on January 9th 2008, 08:38 AM, said:

I say, wait and pray like crazy for someone to release a dump of the Mac 8800GT ROM, then go out and buy a regular 8800GT for $200-250 (they should be that cheap in a month or so).  There's even a fanless model, though if you beat the living crap out of your GPU like I do, buy one with a fan.

Well the 8800gt would need to be less that $200 because if you actually change the 2600xt to an 8800gt at the apple store is only adds 200 dollars to the price.  This of course is if you only want the 8800 gt and not the 2600xt as well.  But no matter how great this may seem right now, will you still feel that way in a year when directx 10.1 cards are out and we still only have the 8800gt from apple.

Maybe hope for an 8900gtx to be flashed to work with a mac pro whenever that come out.

Actually I was just comparing the benchmarks of the 8800gt to the 880gtx and at most the gtx was about 10 fps higher.  Considering that the gt is around half the cost of the gtx, then the gtx is pretty much just throwing away money(when you can just get a gt and upgrade is 6 months to a year if you just have to have the best frame rates at high settings- unless you absolutely need 1900x1600 resolution or higher.) Here is a link to anandtech comparing the 2 gt vs. gtx.
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 03:12 PM

View Postnobody, on January 10th 2008, 06:18 PM, said:

Looking at the discussions on Apple's support site, apparently people who have ordered the 8800 have received phone calls from Apple advising them that the card wouldn't work in previous Mac Pros.

rob_ART also posted there saying that the source had been Rob Barris at Blizzard, who wanted to upgrade all of their current MPs.

Presumably all the new cards must use EFI64? Couldn't someone try the stock card in an older MP and see if that works? It would be a different card, by ATi instead of nVidia, but it would be worth a try.

If there is no Apple upgrade path for the original Mac Pros and AMD/ATI decide not to offer retail Mac Cards either then it is fair to say that it won't be possible to keep the Mac Pro competitive for 3D over as many years as was generally possible with many older PowerMacs. This makes it difficult for those of us that could justify a Mac Pro purchase if the life span was long enough. Personally I figured the extra cores would mean I could do more than just leaving mail, Safari, iChat, iCal and iTunes running whilst gaming. I was thinking perhaps video encoding as well? I'm not too keen on buying a string of iMacs instead.
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 04:33 PM

I got "the call" from Apple Sales. They wanted to make sure I understood that the GeForce 8800 GT kit I ordered works only on the newest Mac Pro. They wanted me to know if it was for the older Mac Pros, my only option was to cancel the order and order the Radeon X1900 XT kit.

Since I'm ordering it for the newest Mac Pro, I didn't cancel the order.

Maybe we need to start some kind of electronic petition to Apple asking for a version for "the rest of us."
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 04:43 PM

Or maybe Mac users need to tell their PC brethren in the media about this and let them slap Apple around.  That's the only way to change things, really--the only thing that Apple really reacts to is public humiliation.
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 05:42 PM

View PostQuicksilver, on January 10th 2008, 04:43 PM, said:

Or maybe Mac users need to tell their PC brethren in the media about this and let them slap Apple around.  That's the only way to change things, really--the only thing that Apple really reacts to is public humiliation.

Better yet(not like its going to happen) just get NVidia to release all their retail cards as dual platform with drivers needed to install the cards in either mac or pc.
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 06:11 PM

The web page lists the 8800 kit for the 'Mac Pro".

ie no link or note about g5/pro/2008 "family of computers with which they shipped."
http://docs.info.app...l?artnum=305346

Looks to big aluminum imac.

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 06:24 PM

I'm building a monster gaming PC with a $1,500 budget.

Problem solved.

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 07:58 PM

View PostLowry, on January 10th 2008, 04:11 PM, said:

The web page lists the 8800 kit for the 'Mac Pro".

ie no link or note about g5/pro/2008 "family of computers with which they shipped."
http://docs.info.app...l?artnum=305346

Looks to big aluminum imac.

Huh?
http://docs.info.app...l?artnum=305346
takes me to the page listing all the cards for the G5, Mac Pro (2006,2007) and Mac Pro (2008).
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 08:16 PM

View Postrob_ART, on January 11th 2008, 09:33 AM, said:

Maybe we need to start some kind of electronic petition to Apple asking for a version for "the rest of us."

This is absolute madness what their doing to the older generation. I would be interested in signing a petition for you guys.

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 10:07 PM

View PostAussieMacGamer, on January 10th 2008, 06:16 PM, said:

This is absolute madness what their doing to the older generation. I would be interested in signing a petition for you guys.

Okay. Here's the petition:
http://www.ipetition...ion/geforce8800
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 10:39 PM

View Postrob_ART, on January 10th 2008, 10:07 PM, said:

Okay. Here's the petition:
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 10:50 PM

View Postbobbob, on January 10th 2008, 09:39 PM, said:

Do you have permission to disregard IMG's stance on permissions in the forum?


Permissions have been repaired, so it's ok.

And I signed your petition Rob. Frankly, having about $8000 of MacPros between home and office, my feelings towards Apple at the moment would be best expressed with a railgun.
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 10:56 PM

View Postjgwdoc, on January 10th 2008, 08:50 PM, said:

Permissions have been repaired, so it's ok.

And I signed your petition Rob. Frankly, having about $8000 of MacPros between home and office, my feelings towards Apple at the moment would be best expressed with a railgun.

Thanks.

I've posted the petition link on the Apple Discussions site and on MacRumors. Signatures are pouring in. If you know of any forums with Mac faithful upset with the GeForce 8800 GT issue, please post the link there.

I suppose once I have a significant number of signers, I'll send the results along with comments to Apple PR. If you guys have any suggestions of who else in Apple should see the petition, let me know.
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Posted 11 January 2008 - 04:05 AM

View Postrob_ART, on January 11th 2008, 04:56 AM, said:

Thanks.

I've posted the petition link on the Apple Discussions site and on MacRumors. Signatures are pouring in. If you know of any forums with Mac faithful upset with the GeForce 8800 GT issue, please post the link there.

I suppose once I have a significant number of signers, I'll send the results along with comments to Apple PR. If you guys have any suggestions of who else in Apple should see the petition, let me know.

Someone who has a contact at AMD/ATI should forward the link to them so they can see the demand for retail graphics options. If they released a card equivalent or better than the 8800GT it would sell!
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Posted 11 January 2008 - 06:58 AM

View Postmattw, on January 11th 2008, 02:05 AM, said:

Someone who has a contact at AMD/ATI should forward the link to them so they can see the demand for retail graphics options. If they released a card equivalent or better than the 8800GT it would sell!

I know some key persons there. I think they are full aware of the situation and realize that ATI/AMD has a great opportunity to do a mighty service to the Mac community by coming out with a high-end retail PCie card that will work on all Mac Pros.
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Posted 11 January 2008 - 08:09 AM

I don't believe it! Signing the petition now.... :-/
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Posted 11 January 2008 - 08:26 AM

Petition just signed.  People buy these computers not only for their outstanding power & reliability, some buy them for future-proof expandability also.  That the 8800 GT won't run on older Mac Pros is ridiculous.  Apple run the risk of alienating quite a few Mac Pro owners altogether if this isn't rectified soon.