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Posted 08 January 2008 - 04:00 PM

Apple has announced the arrival of their latest desktop powerhouse, the new Mac Pro. Featuring a substantial upgrade in power, this latest model sports two of Intel's new 45 nanometer Quad-Core Xeon processors in its standard configuration, or as Apple likes to put it, it's an 8-core processor machine.

Also featuring a faster architecture, the new Mac Pro comes with dual-independent 1600MHz front side buses and supports up to 32GB of 800MHz DDR2 ECC FB-DIMM memory, which Apple claims gives it a 61% boost in memory throughput compared to previous models.

The graphics front has also seen some changes. Now using a PCI-E 2.0 GPU slot, new Mac Pros come with the ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB graphics card standard, with the option to upgrade to the Nvidia 8800GT 512MB card or Quadro FX 5600 1.5GB card. In addition, the Mac Pro supports up to four video cards, allowing it to drive up to eight 30-inch displays.

Rounding out the new desktop is its improved storage capacity, which allows for up to 4TB of storage space via four 1TB SATA drives.

The standard configuration, which includes two 2.8GHz Quad Cores, 2GB RAM, and the ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT is currently retailing at $2799. BTO options are also available, including opting for a single Quad Core processor or ramping it up to two 3.2GHz Quad Cores.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 04:02 PM

Max it out and you get 25.6 total Ghz, and 1.5 GB VRAM. Gaming benchmarks please :)

(Obviously Apple needs a MID-range headless, with slotted GPU, to satisfy gamers. I know this is not a gamer's machine.)

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 05:22 PM

View Postnagromme, on January 8th 2008, 05:02 PM, said:

Max it out and you get 25.6 total Ghz, and 1.5 GB VRAM. Gaming benchmarks please :)

(Obviously Apple needs a MID-range headless, with slotted GPU, to satisfy gamers. I know this is not a gamer's machine.)


I 100% agree, this thing is a beast! I really only need to be able to max 4-8gb of ram 2hdds, 1 optical drive, and one quad/dual cpu. This thing is just freaking insane!

No BD drive though, was kinda hopeful to see one as a BTO option.

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 05:24 PM

Great Pro system, but this update only widened the price and performance gap between the Mac Pro and the iMac.

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 05:58 PM

Thoughts:

1. Bout damn time on the graphics options. 7300s standard and X1900s as the BTO option were getting waaaaay long in the tooth. 8800s are more sane, although what's with the ATI card still being a generation behind?

2. Where is the BD drive? Come on, not even a BTO option? What?
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 06:00 PM

I know Christmas has come and gone, but if someone wanted to offer me a late present, I'd gladly accept one of these  :)
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 07:27 PM

View PostFrost, on January 8th 2008, 06:58 PM, said:

... 2. Where is the BD drive? Come on, not even a BTO option? What?

Whats up with tons of people commenting on this? It's super easy to add your own drive in the Mac Pro and much cheaper than if it was BTO. Apple charges $100 for a second DVD burner that you can buy for $30, and probably cost Apple $20. You can buy Blu-ray drives for your Mac for $500-750, imagine how much Apple would charge you. Also, Apple is likely waiting for until their software is updated for better support of Blu-ray, especially encrypted movies.

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 08:48 PM

Finally an 8800 in a Mac! The 8800 GT is a good card from what I read... it's a real good gamers card. People will still say this isn't for gamers but they chose the card that is the best choice on price\performance right now for gamers. They could have chosen other cards that would have given a clear no gamers message. This card isn't one of them. This is a good step in the right direction. The price it adds to the computer isn't too much either it's 50 dollars less than it typically goes for. If I had 3 extra grand I'd get me one right this second. The only unfortunate thing is the price you can put yourself together a gaming PC for a lot less. Don't take that as a knock to argue against. I'm obviously not against the Mac that's just a fact. It's just good to see that Apple is offering a modern high performance card with the Mac Pro... now for the rest of the line.... the only thing is since the 8800GT which is marked as a value card (it's half the price of other top of the line 8800's) in the PC world is marked as the top of the line it doesn't seem to me like they would put anything equivalent in the iMac anytime soon. Another thing I thought of is them offering 8800GT opens the door for others upgrading their systems or making a hackintosh with one easier. ;)
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Alex Delarg, A Clockwork Orange said:

It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

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Slower and faster? I'm sorry to hear such good news?

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 10:40 PM

View PostSmoke_Tetsu, on January 8th 2008, 09:48 PM, said:

Finally an 8800 in a Mac! The 8800 GT is a good card from what I read... it's a real good gamers card. People will still say this isn't for gamers but they chose the card that is the best choice on price\performance right now for gamers. They could have chosen other cards that would have given a clear no gamers message. This card isn't one of them. This is a good step in the right direction. The price it adds to the computer isn't too much either it's 50 dollars less than it typically goes for. If I had 3 extra grand I'd get me one right this second. The only unfortunate thing is the price you can put yourself together a gaming PC for a lot less. Don't take that as a knock to argue against. I'm obviously not against the Mac that's just a fact. It's just good to see that Apple is offering a modern high performance card with the Mac Pro... now for the rest of the line.... the only thing is since the 8800GT which is marked as a value card (it's half the price of other top of the line 8800's) in the PC world is marked as the top of the line it doesn't seem to me like they would put anything equivalent in the iMac anytime soon. Another thing I thought of is them offering 8800GT opens the door for others upgrading their systems or making a hackintosh with one easier. ;)

The GT is a good card, and I don't think anyone is disputing that choice. The rest of the system is what's questionable from a gamer's perspective since the extra cores, server grade CPUs and FB memory don't benefit gamers and add a lot of cost to the system. Once again, these machines are pretty amazing professional workstations which also would play games well, but that doesn't make them the ideal gamer's choice.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 11:43 PM

View Postnobody, on January 8th 2008, 09:40 PM, said:

The GT is a good card, and I don't think anyone is disputing that choice. The rest of the system is what's questionable from a gamer's perspective since the extra cores, server grade CPUs and FB memory don't benefit gamers and add a lot of cost to the system. Once again, these machines are pretty amazing professional workstations which also would play games well, but that doesn't make them the ideal gamer's choice.

The extra cores don't benefit gamers? I wouldn't be so sure about that I mean with todays games and yesterdays games maybe not. But games are quickly making use of more cores, threading etc. The game "Alan Wake" makes use of 5-6 threads for example ... and Epic said future UE3 games will make use of 4 or more cores (I've talked about this before). The 360 has 3 cores that do 2 threads each so games are being tailored for that. Intel is making a high end gaming platform using a server motherboad similar to the Mac pro with SLI support called skulltrail. But I would agree that the cost is prohibitive when thinking of them as a gaming machine. I'd like to be able to say that I can get a Mac Pro but I probably wont anytime soon if ever. I also was thinking that saying that they are simply not for games seems to imply to me that they wont run them well when they very well can especially with the new video cards.
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Alex Delarg, A Clockwork Orange said:

It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

the Battle Cat said:

Slower and faster? I'm sorry to hear such good news?

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 11:58 PM

Here's to hoping I can finally put a decent video card in my first-gen Mac Pro. Gods the 7300 sucks.

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 04:10 AM

The 8800GT is smoking hot in every sense. It's simply silly in price/performance ratio. I went with a friend of mine to go buy one and the guy at the store told her that they wouldnt get any for some time. It's completely sold out here, and not looking to improve. (all manufacturers)

This mac pro looks like it could blow away PC for ever. Ever.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 05:51 AM

View PostQuantaCat, on January 9th 2008, 03:10 AM, said:

The 8800GT is smoking hot in every sense. It's simply silly in price/performance ratio. I went with a friend of mine to go buy one and the guy at the store told her that they wouldnt get any for some time. It's completely sold out here, and not looking to improve. (all manufacturers)

This mac pro looks like it could blow away PC for ever. Ever.

At least until skulltrail comes out. ;) Like the article I linked to said intel has already demoed a 5GHz 8 Core PC with SLI. But if you are just talking about the GPU it's not unique to the Mac Pro and has been out for the PC for a while. Thing is, an 8 core system may seem like overkill to some right now but take it from me games will use it sooner or later. They're certainly in the pipeline. At one time people thought 1GHz was overkill. Even 400MHz at one time was considered that way I had a friend who worked at software etc. who said he would like to see a game that requires that.
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Alex Delarg, A Clockwork Orange said:

It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

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Slower and faster? I'm sorry to hear such good news?

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 10:38 AM

my brother once said that "anything more than 200MHz is unnecessary: the computers can't take that speed anyway".

It's a great quote, and I remembered it fondly when I bought my 800Mhz.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 12:59 PM

I love these machines, especially the nVidia 800GT option!

How good is a8800GT compare to the old x1900XT?
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 01:03 PM

A giant step for apple in the hardware department. You can't go wrong with a high-end Geforce 8.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 05:06 PM

but its not exactly a high end 8800.. that belongs to the GTX and the Ultra, which would be preferable cards were it not for the apple tax...
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 05:23 PM

Well, it is actually more or less the equal of the current GTX, of which the Ultra is more or less a overclocked and overpriced version of. When some new high-end comes out, then it will put the GT back in the lower ranks of the enthusiast segment, but at the moment, I'd say the GT was a much better choice.

View Postikir, on January 9th 2008, 01:59 PM, said:

I love these machines, especially the nVidia 800GT option!

How good is a8800GT compare to the old x1900XT?

About twice as fast in some benchmarks.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 05:36 PM

actually, youre right. I apologise for getting mixed up, the 8800's and all their different labels have got a bit confusing for me (thank god ATI is changing theirs to be clearer and easier to understand) mainly cos of not really paying too much attention and the GT being a newer release.

The GT is quite clearly the better card out of the set. Its 65nm, so cooler, hence single slot (instead of double), best performance to price ratio, and a few extra enhancements (such as on board.
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