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#1 Janichsan

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Posted 15 November 2007 - 02:05 PM

Since no one seems to have mentioned this anywhere: updates for Tiger as well as Leopard are out!

Nice news for those who stick with Tiger: the update includes Safari 3.

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Posted 15 November 2007 - 03:08 PM

View PostJanichsan, on November 15th 2007, 12:05 PM, said:

Nice news for those who stick with Tiger: the update includes Safari 3.
This appears to have fixed an extremely annoying crash-on-launch bug I've had with Safari.  The look and feel is a bit different, especially with drop boxes and lists and right clicking on links.  Font of those buttons appears to be different too.
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Posted 15 November 2007 - 10:37 PM

I had a problem in 10.4.11 with Safari 3 crashing whenever I closed a window.  After looking around at MacFixit, etc., I traced it to the Speed Download 4 stuff in top level and user folder Library/InputManagers (or something like that.)  Otherwise, I seem to be in good shape.  And I expect Yazsoft will get an updated version out soon.  They are usually pretty quick with things like this.

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Posted 15 November 2007 - 11:10 PM

Only thing I noticed different with 10.5.1 is there was a bug that after booting back into OS X from windows, the fans speed would stay locked to what they were in windows when you shut down (only way to fix it was to sleep the mac and then wake it up again). this is now fixed.

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Posted 15 November 2007 - 11:23 PM

View PostJanichsan, on November 15th 2007, 03:05 PM, said:

Since no one seems to have mentioned this anywhere: updates for Tiger as well as Leopard are out!

Nice news for those who stick with Tiger: the update includes Safari 3.

Ah, yes my friend. Nice news for us who stuck with Panther too. (The last true PPC only Mac OS) The update is for Security:  
AppleRAID
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CoreFoundation
Flash Player Plug-in
Foundation.

I take off my hat to Apple. Thanks for all your hard geeky work guys. ;)

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 01:38 AM

Hmm..


Well 10.4.11 has completely killed Safari for me. I removed the Speed download input manager & plugin but that hasn't changed anything.

I seem to recall this problem when I tried the Safari 3 beta before..

Aha! Solved it but leaving this post for anyone else with the same issue: PicLens is the villain. Remove the PicLens Input manager & Safari comes back!

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 05:21 AM

Nevertheless I do *NOT* recommend you run the upgrade if your work depends heavily on Safari...The new version is irritatingly unstable

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 05:45 AM

View PostLord Brixton, on November 16th 2007, 10:21 PM, said:

Nevertheless I do *NOT* recommend you run the upgrade if your work depends heavily on Safari...The new version is irritatingly unstable

a friend mention he couldnt get it to stop crashing too.

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 09:09 AM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on November 15th 2007, 01:08 PM, said:

This appears to have fixed an extremely annoying crash-on-launch bug I've had with Safari.  The look and feel is a bit different, especially with drop boxes and lists and right clicking on links.  Font of those buttons appears to be different too.
I spoke too soon.  The crash-on-launch problem continues.  This is a very irritating bug where Safari will crash up to 4 times in a row on launch and then will finally start up like nothing is wrong and remain stable until the next series of startup crashes.  Also, the buttons and drop lists all look like half fried ass on a rusty hook.  I don't have any of the add-ons you guys have mentioned.  Safari shows me a list of the installed plug-ins, I'm not sure where Safari plug-ins are located and which ones are default or third party.  I've already tried removing the Safari folder from the Preferences folder.
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Posted 16 November 2007 - 09:53 AM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on November 16th 2007, 10:09 AM, said:

The crash-on-launch problem continues.  This is a very irritating bug where Safari will crash up to 4 times in a row on launch and then will finally start up like nothing is wrong and remain stable until the next series of startup crashes.

Hmm, I've never seen that; I'm still on 10.4.10 at the moment.  The only problem I have with Safari is that it takes way longer to start up than I think it should, but since I rarely quit out of it, it's not that big a deal.

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 10:43 AM

View PostLord Brixton, on November 16th 2007, 12:21 PM, said:

Nevertheless I do *NOT* recommend you run the upgrade if your work depends heavily on Safari...The new version is irritatingly unstable
Hmm, okay I'm using Safari 3 only for a day now and not too intensely, but I haven't had a single crash yet. Maybe I'm lucky.

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 12:42 PM

I just updated to .11 as well but am having absolutely no crashing with Safari.  I also don't have any plug-ins running with it, so perhaps that's the answer?  It's running perfectly smooth for me.
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Posted 16 November 2007 - 02:54 PM

View PostEric5h5, on November 16th 2007, 07:53 AM, said:

Hmm, I've never seen that; I'm still on 10.4.10 at the moment.  The only problem I have with Safari is that it takes way longer to start up than I think it should, but since I rarely quit out of it, it's not that big a deal.

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 05:54 PM

I have no stability problems with safari on Leopard, and I use it on a daily basis.

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 06:28 PM

so long as you dont use any plug ins or know exactly what youre doing, you should be juuuust fine.
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Posted 17 November 2007 - 02:11 AM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on November 17th 2007, 02:09 AM, said:

I'm not sure where Safari plug-ins are located and which ones are default or third party.
They live in /Library/Internet Plug-Ins and ~/Library/Internet Plug-Ins. I believe a clean install has nothing in the latter, and these in the former: Flash Player.plugin, JavaPluginCocoa.bundle, nsIQTScriptablePlugin.xpt, Quartz Composer.webplugin, QuickTime Plugin.plugin, QuickTime Plugin.webplugin, VerifiedDownloadPlugin.plugin.

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 04:08 AM

View PostTesseract, on November 17th 2007, 08:11 AM, said:

They live in /Library/Internet Plug-Ins and ~/Library/Internet Plug-Ins. I believe a clean install has nothing in the latter, and these in the former: Flash Player.plugin, JavaPluginCocoa.bundle, nsIQTScriptablePlugin.xpt, Quartz Composer.webplugin, QuickTime Plugin.plugin, QuickTime Plugin.webplugin, VerifiedDownloadPlugin.plugin.

Well I've removed the 2 3rd party plug-ins that I use (and quite rely on for my work) deleted the Safari .plist and still it crashes whenever I close a window.


Now that 10.5.1 is out maybe the answer is just to promote my Leopard partition to the default boot slot..

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 09:09 AM

View PostTesseract, on November 17th 2007, 12:11 AM, said:

They live in /Library/Internet Plug-Ins and ~/Library/Internet Plug-Ins. I believe a clean install has nothing in the latter, and these in the former: Flash Player.plugin, JavaPluginCocoa.bundle, nsIQTScriptablePlugin.xpt, Quartz Composer.webplugin, QuickTime Plugin.plugin, QuickTime Plugin.webplugin, VerifiedDownloadPlugin.plugin.
Just those are default?  Wow, I've accumulated a lot of plug-ins somehow.  I'll move those not listed above into a subfolder and see if that stops the crashing.
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Posted 17 November 2007 - 05:51 PM

..so any reason to get this update if safari isn't an issue? (I have tiger)


...and my update window just reminded me that I still didn't install QT 7.5 and the new iTunes. Should I?


.....should I breathe or try something else?
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Posted 17 November 2007 - 07:01 PM

QT 7.5 is actually quite a lot nicer than 7.3 or whatever... it gets rid of those horrible borders on the sides of windows and is just plain old nicer...

and you might as well do iTunes while youre at it. the updates there dont change anything unless youve got an unlocked iPhone with custom ringtones on it or something.
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