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[eschatz]

Demarche, on February 23rd 2008, 03:24 PM, said:

Regarding AvP2: I'm running a MacPro with fully updated Tiger (10.4.11); the software works fine. Last night I installed Leopard 10.5.2 on a second drive, ported my 10.4 install to Leopard, and encountered the usual freeze-up upon trying to run the game.

The game freezes after the first splash screen (MacPlay), before the second appears (AvP2). After that come several AVI movies (Fox, Lithtec, etc) that can be bypassed in Tiger by renaming / deleting the MOVIE folder inside the DATA folder. Renaming this folder did not fix the crash problem in Leopard - I'd been hoping  the problem was simply with the AVIs.

I also tried setting preferences on my saved game so that double-clicking on it directly started AVP2 - worked in Tiger, but again, same freeze in Leopard.

Burning a CD with the same name as CD1 (Aliens vs. Predator 2) but only an MP3 on it resulted in a "please insert the AVP2 CD" screen.

Trying to start with CD2 in the drive makes the game ask for CD1.

More random hackery to come.

Please keep us apprised; this is one of my favorite games when it works.

[mattw]

eschatz, on February 23rd 2008, 09:04 PM, said:

Please keep us apprised; this is one of my favorite games when it works.

I have been trying similar things trying to get NOLF2, SOF2 and Elite Force 1 (single player) to run. With SOF2 the game first appears to run but then "Omni crash catcher" crashes on exit! I tried replacing it with a later version to no avail. I gave up on Elite Force when I got kernel panics in the menu screen. It is shame more of these old games aren't set free by the developers for folks to update when new systems arrive.

[bobbob]

mattw, on February 25th 2008, 06:47 AM, said:

I gave up on Elite Force when I got kernel panics in the menu screen

That's an OS or hardware problem right there. Did you run the hardware test CD or file a bug report with Apple?

[mattw]

bobbob, on February 26th 2008, 01:26 AM, said:

That's an OS or hardware problem right there. Did you run the hardware test CD or file a bug report with Apple?

I sent in the crash report but I don't have a developer account to submit a bug report. I'm confident it isn't hardware I have done much more intensive stuff that uses all my processor resources and available RAM without issue. I could replicate the issue by doing exactly the same again after a reboot.

I had smp set to 0 in the config file as well as I read this caused issues in the past. I am on a G5 2.5GHz Dual with X800XT and 2.5GB of RAM, running 10.5.2.

Here is the report:

Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 1): 0x300 - Data access DAR=0x00000000425BD7A8 PC=0x0000000050B7A020
Latest crash info for cpu 1:
   Exception state (sv=0x4FB06280)
      PC=0x50B7A020; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x425BD7A8; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x50B7C348; R1=0x378CB9F0; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
      Backtrace:
0x50B7C348 0x50B5E014 0x002E9A80 0x002EB94C 0x0008C248 0x00029234
         0x000233F8 0x000ABEAC 0x01213001
         backtrace terminated - frame not mapped or invalid: 0xBFFFEB60

      Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
         com.apple.ATIRadeon9700(4.1.8)@0x50b56000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x479a8000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.4.2)@0x509d0000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.4.2)@0x50a78000
Proceeding back via exception chain:
   Exception state (sv=0x4FB06280)
      previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
   Exception state (sv=0x4F982780)
      PC=0x9000B348; MSR=0x0000F030; DAR=0x18E6C000; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x9000B29C; R1=0xBFFFEB60; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 8.11.0: Wed Oct 10 18:26:00 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.24.17~1/RELEASE_PPC
panic(cpu 1 caller 0xFFFF0003): 0x300 - Data access
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 1:
      Backtrace:
         0x000954F8 0x00095A10 0x00026898 0x000A8204 0x000ABB80
Proceeding back via exception chain:
   Exception state (sv=0x4FB06280)
      PC=0x50B7A020; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x425BD7A8; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x50B7C348; R1=0x378CB9F0; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
      Backtrace:
0x50B7C348 0x50B5E014 0x002E9A80 0x002EB94C 0x0008C248 0x00029234
         0x000233F8 0x000ABEAC 0x01213001
         backtrace terminated - frame not mapped or invalid: 0xBFFFEB60

      Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
         com.apple.ATIRadeon9700(4.1.8)@0x50b56000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x479a8000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.4.2)@0x509d0000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.4.2)@0x50a78000
   Exception state (sv=0x4F982780)
      PC=0x9000B348; MSR=0x0000F030; DAR=0x18E6C000; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x9000B29C; R1=0xBFFFEB60; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

Kernel vep

[saberian]

Well I had tested a lot of games myself on a Mac Pro with both Leopard and Tiger.  I created a Filemaker App that lists every game that I could find that works well with Leopard.  So far I only have 161 on the list out of 640 or so.  I will only list the ones that are big for the most part that I think people would want to know about:

There are many more on a Filemaker list that I might put online for people to access but just thought I would throw this up for now.  Hope this helps.

Ran on Mac Pro Quad 2.66
4gb of RAM
20" Cinema display
ATI x1900 512 video card

Almost all games that are UB or have a UB patch should play on 10.5 and if not, check for patches. Just listing some off memory that I know did or did not work.  Also I will list the pages where patches are found for these games to the latest version except for Ghost Recon.  Goto Aspyr home page and you will find that one heh.

Games I was able to verify play on 10.5

Age Of Empires 2 Gold Edition - http://www.destineer...pport/aoe2.html
Age of Empires III - http://www.apple.com...empiresiii.html
Age of Empires III: The War Chiefs Expansion Pack - http://www.destineer...pport/aoe3.html
Age of Mythology - http://www.destineer...upport/aom.html (you have to use CD with new patch )  
Aliens vs. Predator - http://www.apple.com...vspredator.html
American McGee’s: Alice - http://support.aspyr...&...t=37&id=442
Barkanoid II
Bejeweled 2 Deluxe - http://www.apple.com...led2deluxe.html
Bejeweled Deluxe
Bionicle - little lag but other then that it plays well
Close Combat: First to Fight - http://www.destineer...rt/mac_ftf.html
Command & Conquer: Generals - http://support.aspyr...&...t=44&id=378
Command & Conquer: Generals Zero Hour Expansion Pack - http://support.aspyr...&...t=44&id=378
Crusader Kings - http://www.apple.com...saderkings.html
Crusader Kings: Deus Vult
Domination
Doom I with OSX patch - http://www.versiontr...fo/macosx/30473
Doom II with OSX patch - http://www.macupdate...fo.php/id/22287
Doom 3 - http://support.aspyr...&...t=47&id=390
Electropy
Europa Universalis 3
Europa Universalis 3: Napoleon’s Ambition
Finding Nemo: Nemo’s Underwater World of Fun
Halo: Combat Evolved - http://www.apple.com...batevolved.html
Harry Potter & The Sorcerer Stone - http://support.aspyr...&...d=2&root=54
Heretic II
Incoming
Lord of the Rings: Return of the King
Monopoly: Here & Now
Myth II: SoulBlighter - UB Patch here: http://www.apple.com...ulblighter.html
No One Lives Forever 2: A Spy in H.A.R.M.’s way (My son loves this game on 10.5) - http://www.apple.com...esforever2.html
OttoMatic - http://www.apple.com.../ottomatic.html
Quake (With UB patch) - http://www.fruitz-of...oad.php4?dlnr=2
Quake II (With UB patch) - http://www.apple.com...re/quakeii.html
Quake III: Arena (With UB patch) - http://www.apple.com...akeiiiarenax.ht
Quake IV (With UB patch) - http://support.aspyr...&...=142&id=460
Rise of Nations: Gold Edition - http://www.apple.com...oldedition.html
Risk 2
Second Life
Shrek 2 - http://www.apple.com...tes/shrek2.html
Sid Meier’s Alpha Centauri (Personally played these games with the latest patch a lot.  Very rarely it would crash) 1.5.3b3: http://mac.softpedia...i-Updater.shtml
Sid Meier’s Alien Crossfire (Personally played these games with the latest patch a lot.  Very rarely it would crash) - OSX patch here: http://mac.softpedia...nload-7348.html
Sid Meier’s Civilization IV - http://www.apple.com...lizationiv.html
Sid Meier’s Civilization IV: Warlords - http://www.apple.com...ivwarlords.html
Sim City 4 Deluxe
Sin Gold - http://www.macplay.c...s/patch_sin.php
Spider-Man - http://support.aspyr...&...=116&id=304
Star Wars Battlefront - http://support.aspyr...&...t=89&id=361
Star Wars Empire at War - found a bug on this one in 10.5 that Aspyr is not seeming to recognize sad to say.  When in attack mode the game starts to uncontrollably spin and does not stop unless you reload (sometimes it takes even a few times at that).  10.4 does not exibit this symptom)  Validated this issue on 4 other Mac's.  Other then that the game plays well when not glitching. Update here: http://support.aspyr...&...=2&root=203
Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds - http://support.aspyr...&...t=99&id=234
Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds: Clone Campaigns - http://support.aspyr...&...t=99&id=234
Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast (With UB patch) - http://support.aspyr...&...t=97&id=226
Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy (With UB patch) - http://support.aspyr...&...t=76&id=348
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic - http://support.aspyr...&...t=77&id=454
StarCraft (With latest patch for OSX) - http://us.blizzard.c...mp;pageNumber=1
Starcraft Battle Chest (With latest patch for OSX) -http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=21149&categoryId=2716&parentCategoryId=2612&pageNumber=1
StarCraft Expansion set: Brood War (With latest patch for OSX) - http://us.blizzard.c...mp;pageNumber=1
The Incredibles -
The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer
The Incredibles: When Danger Calls
Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon & Desert Siege
Tropico
Unreal Tournament 2004 - http://www.destineer...port/ut2k4.html
Victoria: An Empire Under the Sun - http://www.apple.com...nderthesun.html
WarCraft III: Frozen Throne - www.blizzard.com
WarCraft III: Reign of Chaos - www.blizzard.com
World of Warcraft - www.blizzard.com updater built into game

Games with issues using 10.5

Aliens vs. Predator 2 - totally correct at what happens with this game
Call of Duty - Game plays right in specific resolutions depending on the display
Call of Duty: United Offensive - Game plays right in specific resolutions depending on the display
BloodRayne - slow and choppy but plays, cinema as described above does not work properly
Delta Force: Black Hawk Down - plays just bad on 10.5
Master of Orion III - does not play on 10.5
Stubbs the Zombie: Rebel without a Pulse - The game is straight choppy
Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix - (exactly correct as listed above.  Very depressing cause I love this game single player)
SpyHunter - Sad to say this one in 10.4 with intel has issues let alone in 10.5

yes I have no life heh

[Janichsan]

Some of these issues above are more Rosetta issues than Leopard problems, Stubbs and SoF II for instance. Compare our Rosetta and Games thread for that.

[thehowler]

G-News, on October 29th 2007, 04:45 AM, said:

I can confirm that both Fallout and Fallout 2 work fine.

Unfortunately, I just got the latest Macbook Pro (with the new Multi-touch Trackpad) and Fallout 2 doesn't work. The new MBP comes with a new processor, and I think the architecture is screwy. So I don't think that it's Leopard necessarily. But it certainly is not working! As soon as you're past the splash screen, the graphics get corrupted (all pushed to the the left half of the screen, squished, in a low colour palate and unreadable). Just so people know.

[AussieMacGamer]

thehowler, on March 25th 2008, 04:40 AM, said:

Unfortunately, I just got the latest Macbook Pro (with the new Multi-touch Trackpad) and Fallout 2 doesn't work. The new MBP comes with a new processor, and I think the architecture is screwy. So I don't think that it's Leopard necessarily. But it certainly is not working! As soon as you're past the splash screen, the graphics get corrupted (all pushed to the the left half of the screen, squished, in a low colour palate and unreadable). Just so people know.

Sounds like GPU driver problems... Not the architecture of the processor.

[thehowler]

AussieMacGamer, on March 25th 2008, 09:38 AM, said:

Sounds like GPU driver problems... Not the architecture of the processor.

Well, that may well be. I'm not an expert on the inner workings of programs and programming. All the same, the end result is that for the new Macbook Pros, Fallout 2 doesn't load. Or, at least it doesn't for me . . . and I'm extrapolating that it would be the same for all MacbookPro4.1 users. Anyone have any ideas about working around this issue?

[Janichsan]

Quote

Star Wars Empire at War - found a bug on this one in 10.5 that Aspyr is not seeming to recognize sad to say. When in attack mode the game starts to uncontrollably spin and does not stop unless you reload (sometimes it takes even a few times at that). 10.4 does not exibit this symptom) Validated this issue on 4 other Mac's.

Strangely, I had this bug under MacOS X 10.4 – and it hasn't occurred for me since updating to Leopard. But I have to say that I haven't played the game too often since upgrading. But I found back then that adjusting the camera position (rotating or zooming) stopped the spinning.

[Nostromo]

eschatz, on February 23rd 2008, 03:04 PM, said:

Please keep us apprised; this is one of my favorite games when it works.

Hi!
I'v gave up trying to make AVP2 work with Leopard, so now Im using the PC version through "CrossOver Games" works like a charm!!!! full speed, multiplayer internet, the works!
Great piece of code!
l8r

[pschorr]

Just wanted to throw in a quick note that I fired up Oni again using the Mac OS X 1.0 version 1.36 patch and the gameplay works fine on  Leopard.  There is a black screen that sometimes shows, but can be bypassed with a keypress to display the game's menu.

iMac C2D 2.4Ghz, 4GB, ATI HD2600, 10.5.2

[xboxgamer09]

thehowler, on March 27th 2008, 10:57 AM, said:

Well, that may well be. I'm not an expert on the inner workings of programs and programming. All the same, the end result is that for the new Macbook Pros, Fallout 2 doesn't load. Or, at least it doesn't for me . . . and I'm extrapolating that it would be the same for all MacbookPro4.1 users. Anyone have any ideas about working around this issue?

Hmmmm I have the exact same problems. I had a late 07 Macbook Pro and Fallout 1 & 2 ran perfectly on it. But when I did the upgrade to the newest Macbook Pro line (Multitouch pad, 2x Graphics Memory, etc) the colors are all inverted and the game screen is split in half.

If anyone can solve this I would love you for all eternity and perhaps even dance at your next wedding.

I have VMWare Fusion, and I can run both Fallouts through that, however the screen is a very tiny window and that is annoying. And I got both to run in Crossover Games, but they are both very slow and plus I have to pay for that software

So again, for my eternal gratitude, tell me how to fix this  hahaha

[Janichsan]

xboxgamer09, on April 23rd 2008, 08:34 AM, said:

I have VMWare Fusion, and I can run both Fallouts through that, however the screen is a very tiny window and that is annoying.

I think even VMware has a fullscreen mode.

[xboxgamer09]

Janichsan, on April 23rd 2008, 01:52 AM, said:

I think even VMware has a fullscreen mode.

hahaha yes it does. But when I launch fallout in fullscreen mode, the entire screen is black except for a very very small square in the center, which is the game. Like I said, annoying.

[Janichsan]

xboxgamer09, on April 23rd 2008, 04:23 PM, said:

hahaha yes it does. But when I launch fallout in fullscreen mode, the entire screen is black except for a very very small square in the center, which is the game. Like I said, annoying.

It's been a while since I tried VMware, but wasn't there somewhere an option to let it change the resolution in full-screen mode? I know Parallels has something like that.

[xboxgamer09]

Janichsan, on April 23rd 2008, 09:43 AM, said:

It's been a while since I tried VMware, but wasn't there somewhere an option to let it change the resolution in full-screen mode? I know Parallels has something like that.

I think we are misunderstanding each other lol  See I have Windows XP Pro SP2 on my VMWare Fusion. I also have it in fullscreen mode, so that the entire Mac Desktop Space is XP. Resolution in Windows is set to 1440x900. Any higher and the Windows desktop exceeds my display. When I launch either of the fallout games while in Fullscreen mode, the entire screen goes black, and a very small "window" inside the black borders contain the game being played. I have downloaded patches and everything, tried to resize the game through patches, no luck.

This is why I was REALLY hoping some genius could figure out how to let me run it natively in Leopard again lol

[Janichsan]

xboxgamer09, on April 23rd 2008, 08:41 PM, said:

I think we are misunderstanding each other lol  See I have Windows XP Pro SP2 on my VMWare Fusion. I also have it in fullscreen mode, so that the entire Mac Desktop Space is XP. Resolution in Windows is set to 1440x900. Any higher and the Windows desktop exceeds my display. When I launch either of the fallout games while in Fullscreen mode, the entire screen goes black, and a very small "window" inside the black borders contain the game being played. I have downloaded patches and everything, tried to resize the game through patches, no luck.

No, no, I think we understand each other quite right. The problem is that VMware (or Parallels) can go to fullscreen and allow resolution switching by the Windows software or go to fullscreen and do not allow resolution switching by the Windows programs. What you see seems to be the latter: VMware goes to fullscreen, but does not allow Fallout to switch to its desired resolution. Result: a tiny window (I think Fallout 1 & 2 run in 800x600 or so) on a huge screen with 1440x900 pixels. I seriously believe that hidden somewhere in VMware preferences should be an option to allow the Windows programs to switch the resolution in fullscreen mode. Maybe it's in the options of VMware's Windows tools, but it should be somewhere.

However: Fallout 2 natively under Leopard would indeed be the best solution.  

[QuantaCat]

I'd rather have Fallout 3 natively under Leopard, to be completely useless to this discussion here


Oh and by the way, AVP Gold works. Like a charm.

[xboxgamer09]

I am not saying the option doesnt exist. But I am saying that I cant find it  lol I