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#21 charmin

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Posted 10 October 2007 - 03:32 AM

View PostiRolley, on October 10th 2007, 08:14 AM, said:

Resolution independence is not making it for Leopard. Just as in Tiger, only through developers utilities will it be accessible.

Resolution independence is still listed as a feature on http://developer.app...opard/overview/
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 04:19 AM

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Updated: 2006-11-29

that doc is coming on being a year old. so sadly it looks like resolution independence has been dropped again... no doubt portable home folders have been too...
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 08:18 AM

Probably add them in patches afterwards.. Long live the microsoft method!


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Posted 10 October 2007 - 05:47 PM

View PostiRolley, on October 10th 2007, 05:14 PM, said:

As for 64-bit it doesn't translate into a speed boost. Basically, apps can use more ram. There might some applications that will be optimized for 64 bit, but in most cases, it won't mean a speed boost.
No, really, a lot of x86-64 code runs faster than the equivalent IA-32 code on the same hardware. Not because it's 64-bit, but because the x86-64 ISA is different in other ways, with twice as many general-purpose and SIMD registers among other things.

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 01:15 AM

View PostTesseract, on October 10th 2007, 04:47 PM, said:

No, really, a lot of x86-64 code runs faster than the equivalent IA-32 code on the same hardware. Not because it's 64-bit, but because the x86-64 ISA is different in other ways

Some of it does run tons faster just for being 64-bit, too.

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 05:49 AM

View Postbobbob, on October 11th 2007, 05:15 PM, said:

Some of it does run tons faster just for being 64-bit, too.
Sure, if the larger address space lets it avoid shuffling data in and out, or if it does a lot of 64-bit integer operations. Those are the ones that benefit from being 64-bit on PowerPC as well. OTOH, if a lot of pointers are used, the extra memory pressure can make things slower.

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 07:22 AM

Here's the hype.

October 26th is the day. Delivery starting at 6 pm local time (which means the aussies get it before most of us).

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 07:41 AM

Any word on the final status of BootCamp? I assume it's not a beta any more, but any other changes in implementation---does anyone know?
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Posted 16 October 2007 - 08:08 AM

View PostJanichsan, on October 16th 2007, 11:22 PM, said:

Here's the hype. October 26th is the day.
Behold my predictive powers! 'Cause it's not like everyone else was also predicting that date. Nope.

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Delivery starting at 6 pm local time (which means the aussies get it before most of us).
And the Kiwis get it even earlier!

Edit: Preorder placed!

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 08:42 AM

View Postjgwdoc, on October 16th 2007, 02:41 PM, said:

Any word on the final status of BootCamp? I assume it's not a beta any more, but any other changes in implementation---does anyone know?

doesnt look like it. they quickly removed the mention of hibernating and switching between OSs. so aside from new drivers, not much new that i can see...
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Posted 16 October 2007 - 09:02 AM

View Postteflon, on October 17th 2007, 12:42 AM, said:

they quickly removed the mention of hibernating and switching between OSs.
I'm still not sure how that would have worked. If you're in Long Mode (as a 64-bit OS must be), you have to reboot to get to Legacy Mode (which is what 32-bit XP runs in). Virtualisation would have to be involved to get fast switching happening.

Oh and official Leopard system requirements include an 867 MHz G4 and 512 MB of RAM. Owners of 900 MHz G3 iBooks from 2003 are out of luck, it seems. I wonder if they are just considered too slow, or if it won't run at all? I also wonder if the RAM requirement indicates a real increase in memory usage over Tiger, or if they're just being more realistic about the amount you need for decent performance.

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 01:07 PM

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 01:26 PM

View PostTesseract, on October 16th 2007, 05:02 PM, said:

I'm still not sure how that would have worked.
They explained it when this features was announced back then (shortly before it was withdrawn): basically it was to make use of the systems' "hibernate to disk" features. The system state is written to disk and re-loaded again when switching to the appropiate OS. So the computer still would had to shut down and restart, but instead of an full re-boot, the saved system state would have been loaded. No virtualisation necessary for that.

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 02:15 PM

View PostTesseract, on October 10th 2007, 05:47 PM, said:

No, really, a lot of x86-64 code runs faster than the equivalent IA-32 code on the same hardware. Not because it's 64-bit, but because the x86-64 ISA is different in other ways, with twice as many general-purpose and SIMD registers among other things.

Definitely interesting... might be one more motivation to operate a transplant of my Core Duo into a Core 2 Duo on my first gen intel iMac... not sure if it is worth the hassle though. It was easier to change everything inside my ol' Power Mac G4... but on an iMac...

I have been running the latest Leopard beta for a few days and my iMac "as is" is definitely snappier :D !!! Applications open sooo quickly... Doom3 isn't running any faster though :(

Animation are move omnipresent as well... If Core Animation is widely adopted, Leopard will truly shine.

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 02:37 PM

OK, I know discussion of x-86 code is thrilling and all, but let's sway this thread towards a more important subject:

WHO IS GOING TO LINE UP AT THEIR LOCAL APPLE STORE ON FRIDAY TO BE ONE OF THE FIRST TO GET THEIR DIRY LITTLE MITTS ON A COPY OF OS 10.5 AKA "LEOPARD" WHILE WEARING A "SWIFT, SILENT, DEADLY: THE BATTLE CAT!" T-SHIRT?

OOOO! Me! Me!

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 02:54 PM

View PostAtticus, on October 16th 2007, 02:37 PM, said:

OK, I know discussion of x-86 code is thrilling and all, but let's sway this thread towards a more important subject:

WHO IS GOING TO LINE UP AT THEIR LOCAL APPLE STORE ON FRIDAY TO BE ONE OF THE FIRST TO GET THEIR DIRY LITTLE MITTS ON A COPY OF OS 10.5 AKA "LEOPARD" WHILE WEARING A "SWIFT, SILENT, DEADLY: THE BATTLE CAT!" T-SHIRT?

OOOO! Me! Me!

C'Y'all at Cambridgeside (or maybe Burlington) around noon.

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I am holding back on pre ordering Leopard from the apple store because then I could only pick it up from the mail post on Saturday morning. So I'll see if I can't reserve a copy at a "brick and mortar" store to grab it Friday evening. That's my crazy level :innocent:  

Otherwise... i could skip work on friday waiting, at home, for the mail post to hand me my leopard...  :teehee:

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 03:11 PM

View PostAtticus, on October 16th 2007, 10:37 PM, said:

OK, I know discussion of x-86 code is thrilling and all, but let's sway this thread towards a more important subject:

WHO IS GOING TO LINE UP AT THEIR LOCAL APPLE STORE ON FRIDAY TO BE ONE OF THE FIRST TO GET THEIR DIRY LITTLE MITTS ON A COPY OF OS 10.5 AKA "LEOPARD" WHILE WEARING A "SWIFT, SILENT, DEADLY: THE BATTLE CAT!" T-SHIRT?

OOOO! Me! Me!

C'Y'all at Cambridgeside (or maybe Burlington) around noon.

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Instead of doing what several thousand Germans will do in the night from the 26th to the 27th and wait anxiously for the package with the German version of the last Harry Potter, I'll wait anxiously for the package with Leopard on the 26th - I preordered.

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 04:42 PM

View PostJanichsan, on October 16th 2007, 05:11 PM, said:

Instead of doing what several thousand Germans will do in the night from the 26th to the 27th and wait anxiously for the package with the German version of the last Harry Potter, I'll wait anxiously for the package with Leopard on the 26th - I preordered.


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Posted 16 October 2007 - 06:24 PM

View PostAtticus, on October 16th 2007, 01:37 PM, said:

OK, I know discussion of x-86 code is thrilling and all, but let's sway this thread towards a more important subject:

WHO IS GOING TO LINE UP AT THEIR LOCAL APPLE STORE ON FRIDAY TO BE ONE OF THE FIRST TO GET THEIR DIRY LITTLE MITTS ON A COPY OF OS 10.5 AKA "LEOPARD" WHILE WEARING A "SWIFT, SILENT, DEADLY: THE BATTLE CAT!" T-SHIRT?

OOOO! Me! Me!

C'Y'all at Cambridgeside (or maybe Burlington) around noon.

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 11:07 PM

View PostTesseract, on October 9th 2007, 02:45 PM, said:

Hey, in addition to Ocelot they still have Bobcat, Caracal, Cougar, Lion, Lynx, Margay, and Serval to work with


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