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#781 Tetsuya

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 08:34 AM

View PostCamper-Hunter, on 30 January 2017 - 01:02 AM, said:

Those half priced or less Windows keys aren't 100% legit, it's a grey area (these keys aren't for resale, typically MSDN (developers) keys). I say, either pay full price from Amazon or other seller, or get an even cheaper price, like here at $7.33. If your $7 key gets deactivated later in a few months for some reason, it's no big loss; at $40 you'll regret it.

Theyre legal.  Paul's Hardware just did an entire video on it.  If you order from Kinguin, as well, they have like a 2$ guarantee, so if it turns out to be a bum key, theyll give you another one for free.  Win 10 usually goes for about 20$ on Kinguin.  I haven't paid full price for a Windows license in forever.  

View PostCamper-Hunter, on 29 January 2017 - 07:15 AM, said:

I'm not sure I'd invest in a 47 mm cooler, that can't be much better than the stock fan? I'd rather get a larger fan which can spin slower and still can pump as much or more air. Though I have little experience with smaller fans these days, so I won't object if you say this fan is both silent and efficient.

It really isn't about the size of the fan so much as how much heat it can dissipate (and how quiet it is).  The other thing people forget, as well, is that CPU power usage (and therefore waste heat) is going down.  You dont need a giant cooler to dissipate heat on most mainstream CPUs, even if you overclock.  The C7 is a great low-profile cooler (which i mostly suggested in that build because it was an mITX case).  The H7 is a better choice for a larger case.  

View PostDirtyHarry50, on 29 January 2017 - 12:17 PM, said:

Considering the suggestions thus far, I am inclined to like the build Camper suggested in every way but the compromise on GPU which couldn't be helped given the other components. As I understand it, isn't the big thing with the K series CPUs the ability to overclock them? That isn't something I'd be interested in doing personally. I'd rather just stick to stock specs and not fiddle with it myself.

K series chips also have much higher base and boost clocks, and all-core boost enabled by default. (for instance, base 3.8Ghz instead of 3.4 on the one you have above) They are also binned better and less likely to fail.  

Also, not overclocking is basically leaving free performance on the table.  It isn't even remotely difficult these days.  Its literally one-button.  A few of the new Z270 boards will do it for you.  

Ill go over your above build and make some critiques, and then post a few options.  If it seems like im being super critical, im just trying to save you some cash or get you more performance (and maybe provide insight into decisions).  

CPU: Intel Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($201.89 @ B&H)
- I wouldn't bother with a locked CPU.  Particularly since you have a Z270 Motherboard.  If you're not going to get the unlocked i5, i'd highly consider the unlocked i3-7350K, which comes in at ~30$ cheaper than the locked i5 and outperforms it in just about every benchmark under the sun, and can easily hit a 5Ghz overclock on an average air cooler with a few  button presses.  Games, in particular, are more concerned with single-core performance and IPC (instructions per clock) than they are multi-core setups.  -OR- if you want to save money now and replace the CPU later... get the Pentium G 4560.  Its only 75$ and is essentially an i3 missing AVX multimedia instruction sets - nothing you care about for gaming - and is far cheaper.  If you're going to end up replacing it, spend less.  

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z270P-D3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($110.98 @ Newegg)
- Z270 is pointless if you're not going to overclock.  Save money and get a B250 instead.  90% of the same features, 40-50$ cheaper.  

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 4GB Video Card  ($174.99 @ Newegg)

No complaints here - RAM is RAM is RAM in most cases.  But grab that RX 480 now if you want it, because the sale ends in a few days and it goes back to being ~225.  At the current price it crushes the 1060 on price/performance, but at its regular price its more of a draw.  

Case: Fractal Design Core 2300 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($60.99 @ SuperBiiz)

620W is overkill (by a LOT).  Grab the 520W version of this PSU.  Itll be plenty.  

Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer  ($20.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($92.99 @ B&H)
Monitor: Asus VS24AH-P 24.0" 1920x1200 Monitor  ($219.85 @ Jet)

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Thats a lot of coin to spend on a relatively mid-range monitor.  I didn't realize i'd only gone with a 21.5", b ut you can get decent 24" monitors for a lot less than that.  If you're not going to overlock, i'd go with something more like this:

Build 1 - I'm not gonna overclock (ever)

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CPU: Intel Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($198.69 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($50.19 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 4GB Video Card  ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 2300 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($47.89 @ B&H)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer  ($16.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: BenQ GL2460HM 24.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor  ($129.00 @ B&H)
Other: WIndows 10 from Kinguin ($30.00)
Total: $761.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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What and why - stuck with the i5-7500 though i dont think it's a great value.  Even if you werent going to overclock, i really think the 7600K is still a better buy.  Its about ~25$ more for a 400mhz boost even if you aren't overclocking.  Went with the B250 motherboard - if you're not overclocking, there's no compelling reason to use Z270, and H270 is too expensive to justify (as it is basically just Z270 with overclocking disabled and is usually only 10-15$ cheaper, it offers nothing compelling over B250).  Dropped the PSU to the 520W Seasonic.  You still have ~250W of overhead.  Went with a good gaming monitor from BenQ (one of the best in that size range).  

Notice we're still ~250$ under-budget here if you're going to (temporarily or permanently) use MacDude's donated drive.  

Build 2 - I'll overclock some day

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CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($75.00 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG C7 40.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($27.45 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z270-HD3P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($127.35 @ Jet)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($50.19 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 4GB Video Card  ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 2300 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($47.89 @ B&H)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer  ($16.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: BenQ GL2460HM 24.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor  ($129.00 @ B&H)
Other: WIndows 10 from Kinguin ($30.00)
Total: $718.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Went with the Pentium G4560 to save cash now and upgrade later; got the Cryorig C7 so you wouldn't have to buy a cooler when it was time to buy a better CPU.  Swapped in a Z270 so when it comes time to upgrade, you can go with an unlocked CPU.  

Build 3 - I'd like the best i can get Right Now.

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CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($232.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z270-HD3P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($127.35 @ Jet)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($50.19 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card  ($249.99 @ Jet)
Case: Fractal Design Core 2300 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($47.89 @ B&H)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer  ($16.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: BenQ GL2460HM 24.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor  ($129.00 @ B&H)
Other: WIndows 10 from Kinguin ($30.00)
Total: $959.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Much faster CPU, overclocking potential (most of these are hitting 5-5.2Ghz on air), best GPU for your budget.  Though i'd STILL be tempted by that RX 480 4GB while it is on sale, as the performance difference between an RX 480 and GTX 1060 is simply not that large and right now (until the sale ends), the RX 480 is a steal at 175$.  

If you decide to add an SSD later, that Intel 600p you had seems.. really pricy.  A good Crucial MX 525GB is about 50$ cheaper.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 08:54 AM

To further muddy the issue....

Consider waiting a few weeks (unless this is an "order it right now!" situation) for Ryzen.  

It could change the entire landscape of what is available at what price points, with serious hints that the 4-core, 8-thread part is going to be priced to compete with i3s and i5s.  (somewhere in between the i3 7100 and i5 7400)

And every Ryzen chip is overclockable.  

It could seriously affect what i'd recommend, particularly if they actually HAVE made up the IPC difference (which the live benchmarks a few weeks back seem to indicate).

More muddying and a question:

Do you live within a (for you) reasonable drive of a Micro Center?

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 12:01 PM

And some more muddying... anything that isn't made in america may cost an arm and a leg in a few weeks =p

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 01:14 PM

I've skimmed through the rest of the posts. Lots of good info. Few things I would strongly recommend you do with the next build though:
  • Videocard: Get an RX 470 at minimum (RX 480 8 GB or 1060 6 GB preferred). Do not go below a RX 470, such as a 1050 Ti. The 470 is substantially more powerful then the 1050 Ti for barely any extra money.
  • VRAM: If you are planning on playing newer games going forward get at least 4 GB of VRAM. VRAM requirements have gone substantially up and I don't think 3 GB of VRAM (in the case of the 1060 3 GB) is going to cut it very long.
  • CPU: Get an i5 at minimum. Any newer game is significantly better on a i5 compared to an i3 due to have the i5 having 2 more physical cores. Games are finally starting to take advantage of more then 4 cores now as well (due to the new game consoles having 8 core CPUs), so dual core CPUs are definitely going to let in the dust in the very near future.
  • Wait for Ryzen: If you can wait, hold off for AMD Ryzen's chips. When Ryzen is released they may offer the new best performance for the dollar and they may force Intel to price adjust. Whether you want AMD or Intel in your next build, waiting for Ryzen to be released makes the most sense. The release of Ryzen will likely be the biggest shake up in the CPU market in the last 6+ years (since Sandy Bridge came out)

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 01:57 PM

I shudder when I think of someone buying the 1060 nvidia... because its worse than my old 980ti... which is 'old' now by todays standards. A 1060 is just money out the window.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 02:37 PM

View PostFrigidman™, on 30 January 2017 - 01:57 PM, said:

I shudder when I think of someone buying the 1060 nvidia... because its worse than my old 980ti... which is 'old' now by todays standards. A 1060 is just money out the window.

Not sure if being sarcastic? The 980 Ti was Nvidia's flagship card until around 8 months ago. Also, it's MSRP was around 2-3x the price of the 1060. Flagship cards are money out the window (in terms of price vs performance). The 480 and 1060 have amazing price vs performance.
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Posted 30 January 2017 - 03:21 PM

Considering I bought my 980 ti (evga ftw) card for under $300... it was money well spent.

But, just now looking at a quick glance of 980 ti prices vs 1060... and im like W T F how did the 980ti shoot up that much, when it should be depreciating ?! Maybe because of how crap the 1060, and 1070 are in compares... people (the demand) for 980 is out the roof right now.

Then I got No clue man. No clue what anyone should buy now.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 03:27 PM

I mean, I consistently see in random forum posts in virtually every game I own... someone whining that the game is running like crap or constantly crashes due to graphics issues, when they got a 1060 and it 'should be awesome at ultra settings' ... yet I'm running the same game and am like 'it runs fluid, maxed out, zero crashes, dunno what your issue is?'

Its so consistent, so many times... even 1070 owners bitching the same way, like "you'll never get this game above 20 fps, even with a new 1070, game sucks"... yet I play the game, and its screaming at 90 fps on my 144hz monitor fluid as can be.

So many posts like that, I have developed a gut reaction hate for the 1060/1070 cards. Almost as much as I see complaints their game runs like crap when it boils down to because they have an AMD card...

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 03:53 PM

All I'm hearing is spending anything over the $299 cost of an xbox is throwing money out the window.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 05:42 PM

View PostFrigidman™, on 30 January 2017 - 03:27 PM, said:

So many posts like that, I have developed a gut reaction hate for the 1060/1070 cards.

My 1070 works very well so far. ;) As for your $300 980 Ti, that's a once in a lifetime deal (congratulations!), because I never saw prices so low on this card (even used cards are sold around $300, sometimes $275!).

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 06:56 PM

If you're not wanting to go extreme with games, my recommendation would be to invest in a good CPU and motherboard at the start as those are by far the most work to upgrade down the line. Just get a good enough GPU to get by, then you can always swap it out with one that kicks ass as budget allows further down the road.
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 12:36 AM

View Postmacdude22, on 30 January 2017 - 03:53 PM, said:

All I'm hearing is spending anything over the $299 cost of an xbox is throwing money out the window.

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All I'm hearing is $900 (console + online fees over the course of the years) is thrown out the window when they stop supporting it and it breaks down the line. Meanwhile your PC games from the 1980s remain playable on a PC as technology advances. :thumbup:

All my favorite PS1 and PS2 games remain playable to this day because of PCSX and PCs, not because of Sony. Same thing goes for Sega, etc. Just sayin'.
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 07:28 AM

View PostFrost, on 31 January 2017 - 12:36 AM, said:


All my favorite PS1 and PS2 games remain playable to this day because of PCSX and PCs, not because of Sony. Same thing goes for Sega, etc. Just sayin'.

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 07:53 AM

I'm only being half facetious. PCMASTERRACE is all well and good but I'm pretty sure nobody in this thread has kids but me. I need time and space not flashy cases and nvidia drivers. And buh gawds, can you imagine if I had to build everyone in the house popsnizzlebox PCs instead of just handing out retired MacBooks and hundred dollar consoles. :bleedingeyes:

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 08:03 AM

View PostFrigidman™, on 30 January 2017 - 03:27 PM, said:

I mean, I consistently see in random forum posts in virtually every game I own... someone whining that the game is running like crap or constantly crashes due to graphics issues, when they got a 1060 and it 'should be awesome at ultra settings' ... yet I'm running the same game and am like 'it runs fluid, maxed out, zero crashes, dunno what your issue is?'

Its so consistent, so many times... even 1070 owners bitching the same way, like "you'll never get this game above 20 fps, even with a new 1070, game sucks"... yet I play the game, and its screaming at 90 fps on my 144hz monitor fluid as can be.

So many posts like that, I have developed a gut reaction hate for the 1060/1070 cards. Almost as much as I see complaints their game runs like crap when it boils down to because they have an AMD card...

I think that just comes from games being poorly ported or optimized. I've definitely seen the same thing online. People will be complaining about Fallout 4 for example and how bad it runs on their i7+1080 computer, meanwhile I have it maxed out at around 70fps on ultra settings 1080p with my i5+480.

I also just think people vastly exaggerate. I would guess that the came runs totally fine 99% of the time for the 1060/1070/980Ti people, but if they see one framerate drop to 20 fps then they instantly uninstall the game and go bitch online.
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 09:27 AM

View Postmacdude22, on 31 January 2017 - 07:53 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure nobody in this thread has kids but me. I need time and space not flashy cases and nvidia drivers. And buh gawds, can you imagine if I had to build everyone in the house popsnizzlebox PCs instead of just handing out retired MacBooks and hundred dollar consoles. :bleedingeyes:

One soon to be six years old son, and an 11 months daughter. The boy is happy for now with a nine years old PC laptop running Humongous games, and an old Android tablet with Doodle Jump and Angry Birds. We'll see in a few years, by then my 1070 will have been replaced with a 1370!

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 10:46 AM

Anyways, back on DirtyHarry's topic: IMHO, with sparse financing now with a future upgrade down the line, I'd invest more in the CPU than the GPU. That is, I'd stick with the i5 and the 1050 Ti, rather than i3 and 1060 (replace with comparable AMD cards if you prefer). Let me explain why. CPU performance increases slowly nowadays; the 7th gen i5 will still be a pretty powerful CPU in 5 years (provided the current rate of evolution remains like it is, of course). Meanwhile, GPUs progress at a faster rate; the GTX 1060 will be almost worthless in 5 years. So it's better to save money on the component which will have to be replaced first!
And the 1050 Ti is a capable performer at 1080p. Sure you won't get 60+ fps on all the latest games, but except for a few exceptions, you get 35-50 fps which in my opinion is perfectly playable (heck, consoles get 30 when they're lucky...).

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 03:25 PM

Did we miss the part where i got the i5 -And- an RX 480 into the rig well below budget?

O.o

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 04:25 PM

Here's a build I put together in 60 seconds: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4ZZnjc
  • $1000 USD
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  • 16 GB RAM
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  • Good EVGA 80+ bronze PSU
  • Windows 10 Home
  • Asus 24" 1080p 60hz monitor
This build will have substantially higher performance than the 1050 Ti build. Price is only around $800 without Windows and a monitor. The case isn't amazing, but that is purely aesthetics. Great case cooling isn't going to be an issue with a non-K i5 and a MSI RX480
2015 13" rMBP: i5 5257U @ 2.7 GHz || Intel Iris 6100 || 8 GB LPDDR3 1866 || 256 GB SSD || macOS Sierra
Gaming Build: R5 1600 @ 3.9 GHz || Asus GTX 1070 8 GB || 16 GB DDR4 3000 || 960 Evo NVMe, 1 TB FireCuda || Win10 Pro
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Posted 31 January 2017 - 07:16 PM

View PostTetsuya, on 31 January 2017 - 03:25 PM, said:

Did we miss the part where i got the i5 -And- an RX 480 into the rig well below budget?

O.o

Thanks very much for all the time you've put into this and everyone else as well. All of your comments and suggestions have been very helpful in narrowing down what would be the most optimal initial build to grow from when the iMac has sold and I'm ready to start ordering stuff.

Over time here, some of the key stuff outlined in my first post about this computer system has kind of fallen by the wayside as the discussion has veered towards a higher level of performance and more demanding games than is my intention to play on a PC anytime soon if ever. I'll pluck a few things from the original post as a reminder so you'll understand why I decide upon what I do in the end here after the very helpful education I've gotten about the options from you guys and my own additional research.

"The key here is to put together a basic Windows gaming PC that can be upgraded and improved over time but which would be significantly faster and better than the iMac I have now for everything from some gaming to everyday computing that pretty much anything could run anyway. The PC games I most care about playing would be certain MMOs from time to time so performance good enough to run these at high settings in 1080p would be ideal and again, given the budgetary limits here I can live with compromises knowing I can upgrade them away over time in affordable bites."

"It is also noteworthy that I really do like my PS4 and plan to play a lot of AAA stuff there indefinitely as things stand now. This PC is really for the stuff I cannot get there at all from classic old games that would run on anything to something like maybe Warhammer 40,000 DOW III or CoH 2 or Guild Wars 2, etc. That's really the highest end kind of stuff I foresee wanting to run on it for at least for a good while when I find the time for it."

" a mid-tower would be good as far as size goes. It has to have an SSD of course or it isn't even worth building. I'm sure that would have to be on the smaller side to keep cost under control but I also do not need to install anywhere near as much crap as I do. My bootcamp partition now is only using 451 GB of space and that is with a bunch of large MMOs installed, and a bunch of other games too. A good amount of that could go in a pinch that could later be removed by an upgrade."

"The whole idea is this just gets me started and I can build upon this over time as I can afford it and want various improvements."

In retrospect I should have been more succinct and simply said the initial goal is just a decent step up from my iMac (that's easy) and the long term goal is a mid-range gaming/general purpose PC that won't be tasked with anything so demanding as the AAA I'd rather play on my PS4 on the couch with my trusty cat Edward keeping me company and enjoying the show.

So a mid size ATX box with performance to beat a 2013 iMac that includes a small SSD basically and I wanted to factor in the cost of a 24" display and OEM Windows purchased from a retailer who does not need to sell insurance for their Windows keys. I've learned that is doable and then some from all of this and you guys have been very helpful to me here. I want to thank every one of you for that again. I really appreciate it.

I get that what I want is different from what I think you guys would want in a PC so that tends to color what you'd feel is worthwhile and what is a waste of money vs. my own view of those things. I think the best part of this was the general consensus reached on giving priority to the CPU over the GPU and by extension the motherboard and going from there. To me even with my requirements that makes good sense from a longevity point of view.
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