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#41 archermitch

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 05:32 PM

So, if I were to up the sensitivity on the 360 control would it help? The problem with not using a mouse is that it doesn't sense by position. So if you move the cursor faster, then it compromises the narrow aiming, even if you can now turn all the way around.

And if I buy the core version and I don't have the HD, will I need one to save games?
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Posted 16 October 2007 - 12:34 AM

theyre about to release the X360 arcade, which will come with a 256mb memory stick. you can save your games onto that.
but really you should get one with a HD, as it makes everything go faster.
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Posted 16 October 2007 - 08:03 AM

ok, I'll get the premium, but what about if you only have a wi-fi in your home. Is there an alternative to paying $100 on  the Microsoft  wireless Network thing?
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Posted 16 October 2007 - 08:40 AM

you can buy a second wireless router and plug the x360 into it via ethernet and then connect that to the network... but thatd probably cost about the same, and in addition take up an extra power socket, while i believe the x360 adapter will just plug into a USB port(?? thats kind of a guess)... there may also be some 3rd party methods of using a USB wireless adapter, but youd have to look around yourself..

id also wait until you can be assured of getting one of the 65nm based 360s, which should hopefully stop you from getting any RRODs...
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Posted 16 October 2007 - 12:50 PM

Whatever haopened to the main topic PC hardware capible of running games?
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Posted 16 October 2007 - 02:26 PM

View PostIchigo27, on October 16th 2007, 02:50 PM, said:

Whatever haopened to the main topic PC hardware capible of running games?

Well, it became kind of clear that the original poster would be better off looking at consoles. There's always this thread though.
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Posted 16 October 2007 - 02:37 PM

View Postnobody, on October 16th 2007, 02:26 PM, said:

Well, it became kind of clear that the original poster would be better off looking at consoles.

One could hope that person isn't playing ports like FEAR on a console.
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Posted 16 October 2007 - 04:53 PM

View PostIchigo27, on October 16th 2007, 01:37 PM, said:

One could hope that person isn't playing ports like FEAR on a console.
why? I am planning on buying that. In the video demo, the guy couldn't hit crap. And I don't even want to think about UT3
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Posted 20 October 2007 - 12:07 AM

Maybe I won't buy a 360! Whats the bare minimum I would have to pay to play Bioshock, F.E.A.R., UT3, Gears of War, Bioshock, Half-Life 2, Crysis, Stranglehold, and Starcraft 2. I am more than happy to put everything on the lowest settings. Tell me the most taxing game and I'll see if I can omit it. I would preferably want a laptop, but I'm flexible. I dont want to spend more than $800 and that's pushing it.
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Posted 20 October 2007 - 09:50 AM

View Postarchermitch, on October 20th 2007, 06:07 AM, said:

Maybe I won't buy a 360! Whats the bare minimum I would have to pay to play Bioshock, F.E.A.R., UT3, Gears of War, Bioshock, Half-Life 2, Crysis, Stranglehold, and Starcraft 2. I am more than happy to put everything on the lowest settings. Tell me the most taxing game and I'll see if I can omit it. I would preferably want a laptop, but I'm flexible. I dont want to spend more than $800 and that's pushing it.

I'm not so good at recommending hardware, but I can tell you with near certainty, that Crysis would be the most demanding game that you have on your list there.  I'm also not sure you'd be able to find a laptop that could play the rest of the games you have on there for $800 or less since laptops aren't usually meant for gaming and are typically more expensive than a desktop counterpart when built for it.  But then again, I don't pay much attention to laptop prices vs. their cost, so I may not even know what I'm talking about there.

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 10:07 AM

Crysis can easily go out the window, but I would like to add Call of Duty 4 and Guitar Hero. What about a desktop? My friend ha a laptop that ran the Bioshock demo fine with all the settings and the computer wasn't that new.
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Posted 20 October 2007 - 10:44 AM

are you talking about a computer in general? or an apple mac?

you can create a custom made PC with reasonable specs which would be able to handle all those games with aplomb for around $1000... of course, you could cut a few corners, such as getting a 7800 as opposed to something newer, and getting a slightly slower dual core CPU which wouldnt really affect things all that much...

or go for an iMac maybe? but they get more expensive if you want the 2600 instead of the 2400 (which plain sucks).
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Posted 20 October 2007 - 10:47 AM

no. I have my Mac which is good for everything I do, but gaming. I definitely want my first pc. In fact this is the first pc that any of my family members have ever had. We've always had Macs. I'm going to want to cut those corners. Remember, I'm going to turn all the graphics, shaders, effects, etc. off so that should help out the cause. The most my Mac Mini can run is Call of Duty 2.

Edit: Is this including building it myself? I'm fine with building it on my own to save a buck or two.
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Posted 20 October 2007 - 12:07 PM

Base system with Newegg prices:
[url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819115031"]Core2Duo E4500[/url]				 $139.99
[url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813138095"]Biostar motherboard[/url]			$74.99	[Mini's graphics are 4x slower]
[url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811129024"]Antec case and power supply[/url]	$129.95
[url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820144047"]Geil RAM, DDR2-800 2x1GB[/url]	   $57.99	[Mini has 1GB]
[url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827106049"]Lite-on DVD+/-R drive[/url]		  $25.99	[Mini can't burn DVDs, is 2x slower at reading DVDs]
[url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822144456"]Maxtor hard drive, 250GB[/url]	   $57.99	[Mini has 80GB]
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Total:						 $486.90   [Mini costs $599]

The integrated Geforce 7050 is ~4x faster than your Mini, but still sucks. I'd suggest an 8600GT for about $100. or, you could blow your budget on a $280 Geforce 8800GTS 320MB or $340 for 640MB. Shipping and California's tax about $70 extra.

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 12:10 PM

And the Geforce is built into the Biostar motherboard? What would I buy instead?

BTW that's just where I would like it to be priced. This is perfect.

This is of course building it myself? This is a desktop?
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Posted 20 October 2007 - 12:31 PM

View Postarchermitch, on October 20th 2007, 11:10 AM, said:

And the Geforce is built into the Biostar motherboard? What would I buy instead?

The built-in Geforce is OK compared to the Mini:
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But I still suggest at least a $100 Geforce 8600GT. Or maybe a 512MB 8600GT for $110.

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 12:37 PM

I forgot you'll need to buy Windows.

XP costs $90
Vista costs $112

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 12:53 PM

well, hold on. What's my most taxing game right now? I''m not buying Vista by any means. What's the student discount on XP, if any?

What's the graph of? I mean what are the numbers on the x axis? I would like to get an 8600GT for sure, but I'll see what my budget is...

OK, it's looking like $710, which is a little more than I'd like, but I'll figure it out with my consultant.
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Posted 20 October 2007 - 01:37 PM

View Postarchermitch, on October 20th 2007, 11:53 AM, said:

What's the student discount on XP, if any?

If you are in computer science there's usually a free version you can download directly from your shool/Micro-Soft. The 'student and faculty' price at the computer store might be cheaper than $90, but $90 itself is pretty cheap, too.

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What's the graph of? I mean what are the numbers on the x axis? I would like to get an 8600GT for sure, but I'll see what my budget is...

Frames per second. If you buy an AMD processor you can buy an AMD 690g motherboard with the faster integrated graphics, which is a great idea if you don't want to shell out for a faster card right away.

This CPU and this motherboard would be about as fast CPU-wise, about twice as fast GPU-wise, and 10 bucks cheaper.

Edit: linked to the right motherboard.

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 03:38 PM

well, why are we so focused on integrated graphics? Can't we just get an upgradeable computer? I sort of assumed that every integrated graphics card was death row for gaming...

So we''re at $700 now. Not bad... Is newegg.com cheaper than amazon?

P.S. Thanks so much! In the beginning of the topic I was told $800 minimum for a low end computer... :) Cheers!
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