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#1 Huntn

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 08:09 PM

I know someone here has done it. I'm thinking about it. The primary consideration is finding a good source of info. There of tons of books available for purchase online, but it's tough to find one with a 2007 publishing date. I'd say that is important because besides building you're looking for combinations of hardware that will work especially a case, motherboard, cpu, and power supply. That would be very good info to have.

If you've looked inside a PC, there really is not much to assembling one. But there are things like drivers, and configuring the bios that will stump you without the proper info.

If anyone has good current suggestions for books and/or links please post.

* For example here is a Gamespy article on building a Gaming PC dated Feb 2007.

* Extreme Tech link- Check out the PC hardware builds here!

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 08:49 PM

when you get to the point where you are ready to buy the parts head over to mewegg.com. They have by far the widest selection and cheapest prices I haver found on the net.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 09:24 PM

Here is a quick run down:

*CPU- Intel Core 2 Dual E6600, 2.4 Ghz (newegg) $229
*Motherboard- ASUS P5n32-E SLI Green Quad Ready (newegg) $209
*Power Supply- Undetermined at this point (see case)
* Memory- 2 GHB= $240
* Case- Antec 900 = $107.91
- Antec Sonata III = $142 (includes 500 W power Supply)
* Graphic Card- Pny XLR8 8800 GTS, 320 GB (neweggg) $280 (compatible with DX10.1? unknown)
* Harddrive- Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320 GB SATA (new egg) $79.99
* Optical Drive- Sony DRU 830 A DVD+/- RW Dual Layer (amazon) $40.00
* Sound Card- ?
* Vista Home Premium- (newegg) $112
* Monitor, keyboard, speakers- have

Approximate Total= $1300 (minus Power Supply) $1340 (with Antec Sonata III + powersupply)

Edited by Huntn, 15 August 2007 - 07:26 AM.


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Posted 14 August 2007 - 09:57 PM

omg u should use linux only teh leetest haxorz use it bill gates is satan 666

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 09:58 PM

for now until more DX10 games come out stick with xp (I would say) because vista's poor drivers will slow down some of the games you will most likely want to play.

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Posted 14 August 2007 - 10:23 PM

I'd probably say get a case WITHOUT a power supply, and get your own. The PSUs that come with cases are generally pretty cheap. For good power supplies, look at Zalman, Antec, CoolerMaster, Sparkle, or PC Power & Cooling. They tend to be pretty good.

That motherboard is the ASUS NForce 680i one right? The 680i chipset is currently the best for overclocking.

The case looks decent, but I'd consider looking at aluminum cases. Steel ones are HEAVY in comparison, but as long as you aren't moving it a lot, it makes sense to save money and go with a steel case.

How does 2 GB RAM cost that much? What are the specifications? You can get 4 GB(which I suggest) of regular DDR2 800 for $80 less than that, and that leaves plenty of room to overclock.

I'd actually say go with 64 bit Vista. By the time SP1 is released the graphics drivers will be up to speed with the XP ones. Games like Supreme Commander have been known to have problems with the 2 GB user space RAM limit, so I bet it isn't long before games start being able to take advantage of a 64 bit OS and address more RAM.

Overall, your list looks good, and it looks like you have done your homework.

Edit: The 8800GTS is not DX10.1 compatible... I'd almost suggest either waiting till November to build, or getting a cheap card to hold you over until the 9800s are released.

Edit2: Quick overclocking calculations with the RAM. The 1066 FSB on the Core 2 Duos is "Quad Pumped" meaning that it runs at 4x the memory bus speed which is 266 mhz(DDR and DDR2 RAM runs at 2 x memory bus clock speeds). The multiplier on the chip is locked at 9(memory bus * multiplier = chip clock speed), so upping the memory bus from 266 to 400 Mhz to take advantage of DDR2 800 RAM would give you a 3.6 Ghz Core 2 Duo. You could probably hit that, or at least come close if you threw in a Tuniq Tower cooler for another $55. At that point you probably would need to up the processor and northbridge voltage a little.
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Posted 15 August 2007 - 06:29 AM

For a comparison I went to Dell and priced out their midrange tower with the following:
Notice the Sound Card, Physics Accelerator, and $600 graphics card, not included with my original breakdown...

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6600 (4MB L2 Cache,2.4GHz,1066 FSB)
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition with re-installation CD
MEMORY 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 2 DIMMs
HARD DRIVE 320GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™
OPTICAL DRIVE Dual Drives: 16x DVD-ROM Drive + 16x DVD+/-RW w/ dbl layer write capable
VIDEO CARD 768MB nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX $600
PHYSICS ACCELERATOR AGEIA® PhysX® physics accelerator $159
SOUND CARD Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio $100
KEYBOARD & MOUSE Dell USB Keyboard
MOUSE Dell Optical USB Mouse
FLOPPY & MEDIA READER 13 in 1 Media Card Reader
MODEM 56K PCI Data Fax Modem

Total Price $1700

I don't know if it is salesmanship or reality when the tech person at the local retail store who's entires business is based on building PCs from scratch told me that they love Dell because of all the business it sends them, which I assume means something like proprietary hardware and problems, either repairs or former Dell owners are now having their hardware built by them.

And what about $160 for an Ageia PhysX accelerator? Are we at the point where one is needed? I don't know of any games that feature that, but there has got to be at least one.

View PostMILBOP DIPPLEBERRY, on August 14th 2007, 10:57 PM, said:

omg u should use linux only teh leetest haxorz use it bill gates is satan 666

I prefer Chancellor Palpatine except that Gates never tried to fool anybody into thinking he was a good guy or did he?

View PostLemon Lime, on August 14th 2007, 10:58 PM, said:

for now until more DX10 games come out stick with xp (I would say) because vista's poor drivers will slow down some of the games you will most likely want to play.

With the state of current Vista drivers and DX10 graphic cards I agree. Now is not the right time to build.

View PostDark_Archon, on August 14th 2007, 11:23 PM, said:

That motherboard is the ASUS NForce 680i one right? The 680i chipset is currently the best for overclocking.

I'd probably say get a case WITHOUT a power supply, and get your own. The PSUs that come with cases are generally pretty cheap. For good power supplies, look at Zalman, Antec, CoolerMaster, Sparkle, or PC Power & Cooling. They tend to be pretty good.

How does 2 GB RAM cost that much? What are the specifications? You can get 4 GB(which I suggest) of regular DDR2 800 for $80 less than that, and that leaves plenty of room to overclock.

Edit: The 8800GTS is not DX10.1 compatible... I'd almost suggest either waiting till November to build, or getting a cheap card to hold you over until the 9800s are released.

Thanks for the advice on the power supply and the heads up on the video card. I'm not sure about the 680i. I'll have to check. The price on the RAM was based on what they paid at the Extreme Tech link. I'll be in a holding pattern for now.

In your post you mentioned Supreme Commander. Do you know what the recommended specs (not minimum) are for this NEW game? :)
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Edited by Huntn, 15 August 2007 - 07:24 AM.


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Posted 15 August 2007 - 06:41 AM

i think my next project will be to build a PC inside a G4 tower's case.
its gonna be an absolute mission, and im gonna have to use a micro ATX board just to fit things in there. and then im going to have to modify the internals of the case itself so that theres some half way decent cooling going on. maybe even change the externals too so i can have an optical drive...

but its going to happen, and its going to be a beast.
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Posted 15 August 2007 - 06:45 AM

View Postteflon, on August 15th 2007, 07:41 AM, said:

i think my next project will be to build a PC inside a G4 tower's case.

And you'll have the ability to profoundly confuse some people. ;)

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 07:17 AM

well of course!
also would mean i get to experiment with the OSX86 project...
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Posted 15 August 2007 - 07:31 AM

I just had a revelation. I could save tons of money by just buying my MPB when Leopard comes out and an XBox!! :pinkpony:
But would that be satisfactory for future MMO action?

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 06:35 AM

Midrange PC Gamer Build (Sept 07):
Case and PSU: 500w ATX $115
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 $275
Motherboard: Asus P5N-E SLI $100
VideoCard: GeForce 8800GTX 768MB $506
RAM: Corsair 2GB DDR2-800 $228
Optical Drive: Lite-On LH-20A1H $38
Hard Drive: WD 250gb 7200 rpm $48
Sound Card: Onboard
Total: $1210

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 09:01 AM

I'd call that high-end meself. Still, a good build. Is that case the Sonata III?
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Posted 20 September 2007 - 10:42 AM

View PostHuntn, on September 20th 2007, 12:35 PM, said:

Midrange PC Gamer Build (Sept 07):
Case and PSU: 500w ATX $115
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 $275
Motherboard: Asus P5N-E SLI $100
VideoCard: GeForce 8800GTX 76bMB $506
RAM: Corsair 2GB DDR2-800 $228
Optical Drive: Lite-On LH-20A1H $38
Hard Drive: WD 250gb 7200 rpm $48
Sound Card: Onboard
Total: $1210

the best part about this is that i can get something pretty close to that for effectively the same price in the UK... and i will, soonish, be doing so for my brother.
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Posted 20 September 2007 - 01:41 PM

View Postnobody, on September 20th 2007, 10:01 AM, said:

I'd call that high-end meself. Still, a good build. Is that case the Sonata III?

I don't know, but I'm getting the itch to start building...

Top End System included among other things:
Case & PSU: 1200W ATX $393
Processor: Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6800 $840
GeForce 8800 Ultra 768MB (2) $1500
Total $3548

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 02:16 PM

View PostHuntn, on September 20th 2007, 03:41 PM, said:

I don't know, but I'm getting the itch to start building...

Top End System included among other things:
Case & PSU: 1200W ATX $393
Processor: Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6800 $840
GeForce 8800 Ultra 768MB (2) $1500
Total $3548

1200 Watts is definitely overkill.  I mention the Sonata III because I've seen it around for about that price, and it comes with the Antec Earthwatts 500W PS, which is pretty good for a packaged deal. I called the last system high-end because you had basically the fastest model video card, and a fairly high-end CPU as well. It's definitely a step above mid-range.

I would personally not bother with either the 8800 Ultra or the 1Gb version of the X2900, since they're not providing much extra performance for their high prices. The regular 8800 GTX is powerful enough.

There's also the possibility of the Q6600 for about the same price as the E6700 if you want to go quad-core without going overboard with one of the Extreme editions.
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Posted 20 September 2007 - 02:19 PM

View PostHuntn, on September 20th 2007, 03:41 PM, said:

Top End System included among other things:
Case & PSU: 1200W ATX $393
Processor: Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6800 $840
GeForce 8800 Ultra 768MB (2) $1500
Total $3548

^ Still barely enough horsepower to run Flight Simulator X with decent graphics ...  :nods:

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 03:14 PM

I just ordered this:

-Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2,66 Ghz (the E6700 costs bout 320 euros here while this newer better version with a 1333 Mhz bus costs about 170 !!!)
-Asus P5N-E SLI mobo
-Asus 8800 GTS 320mb
-2 GB RAM G.E.I.L DDR2 800Mhz
-500 watt PSU
-Asus optical drive
-some cheapskate case

All this for about 850 euros but the best part is that I ordered it through my uncle's business wich means tax free (19% off)

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 04:22 PM

ah yes, id forgotten about the improved Exx50's always go for those is what i say. Right now i feel that the processor will most likely outlast the mobo, which are at a wierd transition phase going from having parallel, VGA and PS/2 ports to all USB, composite and Firewire, not to mention HDCP. id prefer the latter, specially with options to go 1333Mhz bus later on.

personally i dont see the advantage of quad core at this juncture, where quad core chips are just 2 dual cores slapped on one die, wait till the true quad cores come out, then jump on that one.

finally, with NV's 9 series supposedly just around the corner as well as DX10.1, id hang around a bit on the GPU, and get something cheap and cheerful in the mean time.
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Posted 21 September 2007 - 12:22 PM

PhysX is useless. It decelerates as often as it accelerates.

AMD's new Athlons had a huge price drop, you might look into one of those. Benchmarks should show you the Athlon equivalent of whatever Core 2 you're looking at, and the difference in price might be enough to make your brain earn its keep.

Spending more than $125 or so on a motherboard is a waste of money. Look at some of the cheaper ones, and there is probably nothing you'd need to spend >$100 more on.

The 8800 GTS is almost as fast as an Ultra, but quite a bit cheaper.

Don't bother with SLI unless you're doing it with the fastest card available. It's mostly a waste of money, too.

Vista's drivers are OK now, DX10.1 isn't out yet and no parts are available, and DX10 is mostly BS marketing gimmicks.

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the processor will most likely outlast the mobo, which are at a wierd transition phase going from having parallel, VGA and PS/2 ports to all USB, composite and Firewire, not to mention HDCP
WTF? Integrated graphics for a gaming PC? Pretty much any motherboard has at least 6 USB ports (unless it's a Mac), FireWire is pretty much dead except in video cameras, and you shouldn't be passing over a good deal because it has ports you wouldn't use. What is the 'weird transition phase'?