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Posted 07 August 2007 - 09:49 PM

View PostFendersrule, on August 7th 2007, 08:12 PM, said:

And on the downside..still a turdy Graphics chip for the mini.
Ya I know, but it got upgraded. lol
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Posted 07 August 2007 - 09:54 PM

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Slower and faster? I'm sorry to hear such good news?

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 02:49 AM

Just think Apple managed to get a few Games companys to come back to the Mac and then stuck those GFX cards in them  :blink:

Well done Apple thats right show the PC Gamers the error of there ways with those GFX Cards in the new iMac  :lol: :lol: :lol:  

I actually quite like the new looking iMac though. Makes the screen stand out more. Although 24 inch one doesn't need any help  :lol:
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Posted 08 August 2007 - 03:14 AM

Y'know, speaking as someone who's bought every single iteration of iLife, I'd like a free upgrade to the new version once in a while. Even if it were only for DotMac subscribers, something...

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 04:56 AM

View PostHoxtongue, on August 7th 2007, 09:38 PM, said:

I honestly don't know why the Apple guys would do this and just throwing it out there, do you think that enough complaints may warrant a change?

Apple (aka Steve). Doesn't. Like. Games. Complaints about hardware, especially from gamers, fall on deaf ears at campus (aka Steve). Games aren't really stuff you do on computers, you do iMovie and iPhoto and Garageband and browse the web and send email and write stuff. Games? Sheesh, don't be silly.

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 06:17 AM

View PostLord Brixton, on August 8th 2007, 07:14 PM, said:

Y'know, speaking as someone who's bought every single iteration of iLife, I'd like a free upgrade to the new version once in a while. Even if it were only for DotMac subscribers, something...
Or a heavy discount on iLife '08 when you buy Leopard, for example.

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 06:36 AM

View PostDaveyJJ, on August 8th 2007, 10:56 AM, said:

Apple (aka Steve). Doesn't. Like. Games. Complaints about hardware, especially from gamers, fall on deaf ears at campus (aka Steve). Games aren't really stuff you do on computers, you do iMovie and iPhoto and Garageband and browse the web and send email and write stuff. Games? Sheesh, don't be silly.

Geez what a let down! Don't Apple realise that a lot of people do serious stuff AND also want to play games. In every office I have worked in (quite a few!) across a broad cross section of business, I have seen people play games. Whether on company time or before or after work is irrelevant. Fact is we ALSO want to play games.

Now, for home office users the need to play games is even more obvious.

We play games more often than we edit our home movies in iMovie.

I've been putting off a new iMac purchase for months and months and then Steve dishes up this? :(

I am in the market for three computers. But not these iMacs. So I'll buy two eBay iMacs of the previous models and pre-owned and wait for the third. I'll sell my Powerbook (a maxed out G4 17") to finance an MBP or whatever pro desktop I can afford.

Basically I'll mark time until we REALLY get new iMacs.

Damn, I've got a feeling that Apple can only do so much with these pizza box iMacs. THIS incarnation must surely be the end of the line? They wouldn't put a new dress on the shell again? Would they?

We had the original rainbow variety of iMacs. Then the amazing pivoting half sphere. Then the pizza box.

I'M STILL WAITING FOR THE NEXT GENERATION AND IT JUST AIN'T HAPPENING!

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(Got to admit that I wouldn't be so worked up if Apple hadn't been so stingy with the graphics. Lame as!)

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 07:23 AM

ok, heres the thing though. These iMacs are a massive massive massive disappointment, but they are still better than what one would get previously (even if only barely). The 2400HD will be around the same level as the X1600, and the 2600HD will be slightly faster. But if you add in the fact that you get a bigger screen for cheaper, and faster processors, then its not too bad. Youve just got to bear in mind that its going to suck for gaming a lot quicker than it would have done if theyd gone NVidia.

for every day use they are going to be brilliant, but for gaming it wont really be better than the previous generation.

oh, and dont expect the design to change drastically from what it is in a long long long time really. The fact that its hidden behind the display means that there really is no computer visible. The only change i can see coming is the removal of that fat chin!!!

finally, dont go for ebay iMacs, hunt around on the refurb store, cos thats where youll suddenly find a lot of old imacs with a good record, as theyll have been double checked and/or just brand new stock.
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Posted 08 August 2007 - 09:29 AM

i hate to say this but mac just sucks for gaming, its not that i hate macs but they just suck for gaming !

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 09:54 AM

View Postteflon, on August 7th 2007, 05:23 PM, said:

as i keep saying over and over and over, the main problem i have with the machine is its big fat chin!

i think it would have been alright if it looked almost exactly the same as it does now, except that the chin at the bottom was reduced to the same depth as the black band. that would have looked so much better.

bah!

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 09:58 AM

Isn't the reason for the choosen GPU due to iMacs very tight form factor? It is close to a stationary Laptop.

And the GPU is primarely a Laptop card, right? Do we have better GPU for Laptops at a similar price? Otherwise do I think this is the main reason for why the new iMac has the GPU is has.


Regardless, I very strongly consider to buy me an iMac. Is it better to buy the 20" since it would be a smaller screen for the GPU to support? Or would it not make much of a difference if I take the 24" (my first choice)?

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 10:19 AM

View PostRank Xerox, on August 8th 2007, 11:58 AM, said:

Isn't the reason for the choosen GPU due to iMacs very tight form factor? It is close to a stationary Laptop.

And the GPU is primarely a Laptop card, right? Do we have better GPU for Laptops at a similar price? Otherwise do I think this is the main reason for why the new iMac has the GPU is has.

Regardless, I very strongly consider to buy me an iMac. Is it better to buy the 20" since it would be a smaller screen for the GPU to support? Or would it not make much of a difference if I take the 24" (my first choice)?

If you want to get the most out of the GPU then the 20" with the 2600 would be the best combination - fewer pixels to push with the same GPU. Of course, you can also get the 24" and run a lower resolution, though LCDs don't scale resolution well, so it won't look good (unless you do 1:1 scaling, which gives black bars around the smaller image).


I think that the reason that these particular GPUs were picked is most likely because of the tight form factor - these are the first GPUs manufactured at 65nm, which should help them run cooler.
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Posted 08 August 2007 - 10:21 AM

Wow, I was really dreading this update, since I bought a 24incher back in February. The thought of being bypassed with cheaper, better tech is depressing, but inevitable. While this is just horrible news for future imac gamers, I can’t help but feel much better about my NVidia 7600 graphics card that I opted for. :happy:

My main purpose for getting the 24incher was that the graphics card can be removed. I was gambling that future imacs might have the same capability and I would be able to replace mine later on when better cards are available. Does anyone know if the new imacs have this capability?

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 10:44 AM

View PostRank Xerox, on August 8th 2007, 04:58 PM, said:

Isn't the reason for the choosen GPU due to iMacs very tight form factor? It is close to a stationary Laptop.

yes and no.
they couldve made it a few mm thicker, got rid of the chin and put in a decent GPU with minimal extra fan noise and everyone wouldve been happy. they picked the easy option.
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Posted 08 August 2007 - 11:02 AM

On a side note, I do love the ability to have a 1 TB hard drive. This is the first standalone TB drive offered by Apple – previously you could only order multiple 500 GB drives to go over a TB.
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Posted 08 August 2007 - 11:24 AM

I'm glad everyone seems to agree they're ugly. I was personally fond of the Lampshades, bring those back. The new iMacs look more like they're appealing to the Dell aesthetic with black and silver.

I never get excited about iMacs as I flat out refuse to buy EVER an all-in-one desktop. If Apple is going to limit users hardwired graphics, at least one would think they'd give users more customization options when ordering them. Ironically if they stuck raw specs of the iMac into a proper desktop with a few PCI slots, I'd consider buying one.
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Posted 08 August 2007 - 11:49 AM

I don't think they are ugly at all.  They look awesome.  The screen is the best yet.

The easy option?  No.  It is not easy to pack all of this into such a narrow form factor.

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yes and no.
they couldve made it a few mm thicker, got rid of the chin and put in a decent GPU with minimal extra fan noise and everyone wouldve been happy. they picked the easy option.


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Posted 08 August 2007 - 12:57 PM

well actually it is. But ive also said elsewhere that i would quite happily see them have it 5-10mm thicker to get better cooling. It would barely change the look of it.

The current range of ATI cards are low power and so also low heat. They run on 65nm chips which is the reason for this. The 2600HD Pro is often sold on the PC side with just a heatsink on it.
because of the form factor of the iMac, they can leverage the same idea as was in the Cube, namely that heat rises. So stick a decent sized heatsink in there, with a good cooling profile (especially if it goes horizontally across the computer and is quite high up in it, and you will be quite happily able to run at decent temps.

If theyd have gone for the 8600, then they would have needed more fan power, as its a hotter running chip, and i believe is 80nm (though i may be mistaken in this). to get a better cooling profile, they make it slightly thicker, and so have air intake at the bottom of the machine. Once again, a well designed heatsink will work wonders and keep the machine cool running.

especially with the 24" machine this would be incredibly practical, and would be preferred by almost every single person i can think of.

heres a good example of a pretty powerful 8600 using just a heatsink. heck they even overclocked it. At standard GT clocks, or better yet underclocked as apple loves to do with their machines, im sure that a decent cooling solution could be reached in a slightly thicker iMac.

EDIT: as an aside. the same website has a review of the ATI low to mid range line up that is actually quite positive, and shows it competing quite well with the NVidia offerings... at least in DX9...
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Posted 08 August 2007 - 01:07 PM

Wow....Kinda disappointed in what I'm seeing.


From my understanding my 7600GT is actually just as good as the 2600Pro if not better.  The only real difference in the iMac for me would be the 2.16ghz vs 2.40 entry level 24".  That's nothing in processing speed.


Side note about the mini- WTF can't they put at least the X1400 - X1600 into it?  Both of these cards are absolutely terrible and I'm sure fairly cheap so they wouldn't cannibalize the other Mac computers.  In the PC world, these are fairly standard cards for a $650 computer.  Get your act together Apple.

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A quick question maybe someone could answer.  Is the Macbook Pro with 8600GT better than my 24" 2.16 7600GT w/ 2G Ram iMac?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the mobile versions of 8600 much weaker than the real deal?  Also- lets say I want to hook the laptop up to a 22" Dell screen or somethin' and play something like counterstrike, wouldn't I get significantly lower performance?  After reading all this, I just feel like sticking to the old 24" and not updating to anything.
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Posted 08 August 2007 - 01:49 PM

View Postteamturbo_2000, on August 8th 2007, 12:07 PM, said:

In the PC world, these are fairly standard cards for a $650 computer.  Get your act together Apple.

Dell regularly throws in a monitor and a PCIe slot, too...