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#1 DaveyJJ

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 11:10 AM

Announced. 20 and 24". Black border, glossy display, black back. Glass and aluminum.

17" gone. Two 20" at 1199 and 1499, and 24" at 1799. ATI still. :(

Keyboard as on the web images!

http://www.engadget....ess-conference/

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 11:40 AM

Note-worthy is also the mention of the build-to-order option of a 2.8Ghz chipset, according to Macworld.
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Posted 07 August 2007 - 11:43 AM

no. the keyboard in the web images had a number pad.

this new keyboard is literally a laptop keyboard for desktop use... and therefore sucks.

As for the GPUs, suckage once again. ATI arent competitive this time except for in being low power and therefore also low heat. NVidia is currently king. And then you look at the specs in the iMacs, and the lowest end machine has got a 2400HD, while everything above has got a 2600HD. the 2400HD wont be much better than the X1600 you had in there before... poor showing i say.
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Posted 07 August 2007 - 12:04 PM

Review sites have been saying that both company's new midrange cards have been equally disappointing. Remember, that 2400HD is replacing Intel Integrated Graphics, and the 2600HD is close to the 8600 GT.

The keyboard missing a number pad however is a complete disappointment. Now when you get an iMac, you'll need to replace the mouse AND the keyboard.

Edit: I'm guess I was wrong, the picture from engadget didn't show the numberpad.
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Posted 07 August 2007 - 12:29 PM

I ordered a MBP on sunday night. It's not going to ship for another 2 weeks.

I wonder if Apple will put on the New iLife, etc.

I'm going to email apple's store once it comes back and and make sure to get the new goodies.
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Posted 07 August 2007 - 12:58 PM

??

The images on Apple's site have a number pad.

Edit: Seems the wireless keyboard had no number pad:

http://www.apple.com/keyboard/
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Posted 07 August 2007 - 01:00 PM

From Tom's Hardware re: the ATI Radeon 2600 Pro…
"these should be able to play games like the next The Sims or children's educational programs, but in no way will they be able to handle graphically intense titles."

Well that certainly sucks. :moreangry:
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Posted 07 August 2007 - 01:22 PM

yeah, youre right with the wireless keyboard that it is the one without the numberpad.
but still, that too sucks. I dont see why theyve done that for the wireless one, as it makes the wired one so much more attractive.

you know, if theyd made the fat chin smaller id be so much more enthusiastic about this update, but as it is, the chin is too much for me to bare.
The GPU too is a huge disappoinment for me, and while i would have maybe understood the 2400 for the bottom end, i see no reason wy they went for the 2600 over the 8600 except for a mite better cooling. it just doesnt make sense in terms of performance v price. you can tell that theyre not massively proud with it because they arent comparing the new ones to the old ones with the X1600, and especially not the 7600, which i suspect would happily hold its own.
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Posted 07 August 2007 - 01:41 PM

This site tested the 2000 series of ATI cards on a variety of games, including HL2 episode 1, Prey, FEAR, Quake 4, and STALKER. The results look pretty underwhelming.

2600 and 2400 performance
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Posted 07 August 2007 - 01:50 PM

View Postbookman, on August 7th 2007, 01:41 PM, said:

This site tested the 2000 series of ATI cards on a variety of games, including HL2 episode 1, Prey, FEAR, Quake 4, and STALKER. The results look pretty underwhelming.

2600 and 2400 performance

Yeah but the 7600 isn't is part of the test, so I guess the new Radeon must be better. Still it's a shame these iMac can't be more configurable. If only we had the option to choose a better graphics card...

Good thing though is they lowered the price. The entry level is able to play Quake 4 for 1200 dollars. That definitely is an improvement.

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 02:16 PM

I'm underwhelmed by the new design of the iMac. I saw it and was like.. that's it?  :blink: I also don't like how the wireless keyboard lacks the number keys but now I see why they moved the volume, etc. over. :P  I'm also kind of disappointed by their choice of ATI but it could be worse. ;)

Also looks like Mac Mini isn't dead yet. ;) It just has a CPU upgrade but it's not dead.
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Slower and faster? I'm sorry to hear such good news?

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 02:17 PM

I'm very unimpressed by the iMac update.  I was expecting Geforce 8600s with possibly a 8600GTS as a BTO option.  This is a complete slap in the face to Mac gamers.

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 02:36 PM

Note exactly comparing apples to apples (nyuck-nycuk), but FiringSquad took a look at the ol' Nvidia 7600 and the new ATI 2600 cards on, among other things, Quake4: see here and here.

Pretty depressing. The new iMac has about half the performance.
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Posted 07 August 2007 - 02:54 PM

Blargh! Glossy displays.

I'm really unimpressed. First of all, I do not really like the new colouring, secondly, the GPUs are really not too impressive. I guess the 2400 is a bit better than the GMA950, but the 2600 Pro is not much of an improvement.

Is this the first time the pro Apple notebooks have better GPUs than the iMacs?

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 03:04 PM

I've also seen some benchmarks like this. Which still shows the 2600 Pro as being the slowest. They should have at least gone with the XT... or ideally the 8600. But it seems that either those ATI or Nvidia cards would be able to hack DX10 level so far.
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It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 03:05 PM

View Postbookman, on August 7th 2007, 03:41 PM, said:

This site tested the 2000 series of ATI cards on a variety of games, including HL2 episode 1, Prey, FEAR, Quake 4, and STALKER. The results look pretty underwhelming.

2600 and 2400 performance

Agreed. Awful, awful results. Below cards from two years ago. Typical.

Look at these "stunning" Call of Duty 2 numbers ... almost 20 frames per second at medium resolutions.

http://www.trustedre...-and-2400-XT/p7

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 03:11 PM

Something different: I just noticed that the new keyboards are listed as "Apple Keyboard (white)" in the Apple store. A possible hint for differently coloured keyboards in the future? Black, maybe?

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 03:27 PM

Have any of you checked out the prices on the "high end" models? Ouch.. may as well get a Mac Pro! The high end Mac Pro GPU still outperforms it I think.
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Alex Delarg, A Clockwork Orange said:

It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

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Slower and faster? I'm sorry to hear such good news?

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 03:35 PM

View PostSmoke_Tetsu, on August 7th 2007, 04:27 PM, said:

Have any of you checked out the prices on the "high end" models? Ouch.. may as well get a Mac Pro! The high end Mac Pro GPU still outperforms it I think.

The 7300GT might give it a run for its money.

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 03:43 PM

+1.  Not impressesd at all with the grphics card or 1 GB of ram.  If I had know this is all their was I would not have sold my existing iMac.

View PostBenRoethig, on August 7th 2007, 01:17 PM, said:

I'm very unimpressed by the iMac update.  I was expecting Geforce 8600s with possibly a 8600GTS as a BTO option.  This is a complete slap in the face to Mac gamers.