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#121 Janichsan

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 02:47 PM

View Postedddeduck, on March 26th 2008, 05:55 PM, said:

Violent people might like violent games but it does not necessarily follow that this also means that people who play violent games are violent.
Right to the point. I couldn't agree more.

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 09:46 PM

View Postedddeduck, on March 26th 2008, 10:55 AM, said:

The fact of the matter is you have a certain percentage of crazy people in this world and crazy is as crazy does.

A crazy killer might like playing violent games because it simulates what they like (killing people) but playing violent games does not do the opposite and make you a killer.

I totally agree with the whole post. It seems to me that some people consider things to be, "First comes thought, then comes action".. as if you think of something then it must follow that you act upon that thought. Those people think reading a book or other media is the same as joining said subject... or it's the first step. This has led to things like Harry Potter book burnings (amongst other things). What they fail to realize is that many people have self control and sometimes a thought is just a thought... a cigar is just a cigar, etc. It's unfortunate that some people are that kind of sociopath who would go on a killing spree after playing a video game but those kind of people are in the minority.. loud as they may become because of the media. Some people take things like Harry Potter and Star Trek too seriously, a lot of those people are harmless but again there is always the exception. Some people can be dangerous with anything they are obsessed with violent or not. In other words, again I agree.
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Alex Delarg, A Clockwork Orange said:

It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 07:43 PM

View Postedddeduck, on March 26th 2008, 11:55 AM, said:

The point which no-one ever seems to raise in my opinion is the one I suggested above.

Violent people might like violent games but it does not necessarily follow that this also means that people who play violent games are violent. If the logic works one way it does not follow it is correct the other way round.
And here you touch on a point where some folks (who I am inclined to agree with) say violent videogames may actually be a GOOD thing for those kinds of people. They provide an outlet for their criminalistic tendencies that doesn't harm other people. Case and point the oft-cited sharp drop in carjacking in the United States strangely coincided almost exactly with the release of Grand Theft Auto 3 on the PS2. And carjacking is one of the top "thrill" crimes. It could be that would-be carjackers get their thrills by playing "bad" videogames and are then less likely to act it out in the real world.
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Posted 28 March 2008 - 06:53 AM

yes, but it can also go the other way in that car jacking in a game is still going to be a rather detached feeling to the play, so someone who has these tendencies but always has that mental block with regards to doing it in real life might play GTA3 and then give it a go...

not that im saying thats my opinion (nor that I expressed what I just said very well, hopefully youll get the gist). Im with Eddde on this one. Violent games are harmless to the average person, some people wont want to play them because of their dislike of violence, but others will find it a huge thrill, but they could be a violent person in the first place.
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Posted 28 March 2008 - 12:44 PM

View Postedddeduck, on March 26th 2008, 11:55 AM, said:

Violent people might like violent games but it does not necessarily follow that this also means that people who play violent games are violent. If the logic works one way it does not follow it is correct the other way round.

I agree with your sentiment but think it's on the conservative side. I say it's a certainty that for most people violent video games do not cause violent behavior in daily living. There is violent behavior but I think it's impossible as a rule to pin it on exposure to violent video games.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 02:58 PM

View Postteflon, on March 28th 2008, 06:53 AM, said:

yes, but it can also go the other way in that car jacking in a game is still going to be a rather detached feeling to the play, so someone who has these tendencies but always has that mental block with regards to doing it in real life might play GTA3 and then give it a go...

Of course they may find that actually going through with something like that is easier fantasized\said than done. ;) They may find out quickly that real life and games don't operate the same way. Just like with movies, you can't just shoot at the back of someone's car and have their gas tank spontaneously combust.
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Alex Delarg, A Clockwork Orange said:

It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

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Posted 28 March 2008 - 07:55 PM

View PostSmoke_Tetsu, on March 28th 2008, 04:58 PM, said:

Just like with movies, you can't just shoot at the back of someone's car and have their gas tank spontaneously combust.

What?  Yes you can...you must be doing it wrong.  Works for me.

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Posted 29 March 2008 - 03:01 PM

Ford Pintos rule but if you are going to shoot a General Motors truck make sure you have an Estes rocket engine going off underneath it.
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Posted 29 March 2008 - 04:24 PM

I'll keep that in mind next time I'm sitting on the side of the road taking pot shots at cars passing by trying to make them explode! :bleedingeyes: ;)  :cool:
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Posted 30 March 2008 - 07:05 AM

View PostSmoke_Tetsu, on March 29th 2008, 05:24 PM, said:

I'll keep that in mind next time I'm sitting on the side of the road taking pot shots at cars passing by trying to make them explode! :bleedingeyes: ;)  :cool:

Oh, you seemed like the type more likely to be dropping cinderblocks off of overpasses. ;)

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Posted 30 March 2008 - 03:19 PM

One guy I know is a retired lobbyist, and he said it best, speaking of politicians:

"[a lot of ] shrill demagogues, each looking for a windmill to tilt."

Show me the EVIDENCE that video games have made society worse in some way.   My main concern isn't the violence -- as Gary put it very well, I too am a gentle person who loves brutal video games.  I laughed my fool head off when Marvin got his head blown off in Pulp Fiction, too... almost fell out of my chair laughing, literally.

My main concern is that video games give an out for kids to not exercise, and to get fatter.  There is actually some evidence to read in this area, and kids who don't play vids/watch TV too many hours a week tend not to be as fat.  Being fat has measurable health consequences.

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Posted 30 March 2008 - 09:05 PM

View PostHuntn, on March 30th 2008, 07:05 AM, said:

Oh, you seemed like the type more likely to be dropping cinderblocks off of overpasses. ;)

Only on the weekends. ;)
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Alex Delarg, A Clockwork Orange said:

It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

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Posted 30 March 2008 - 09:12 PM

Actually, I'd like to see someone drop a semi-trailer load of super-balls off a busy overpass.
Of course people would probably freak out and crash, so that wouldn't be funny.

Just the thought of all those balls bouncing off everything all over the place gets me rolling though.

Oh well, fun while it lasted!

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Posted 30 March 2008 - 09:14 PM

View Postzapranoth, on March 30th 2008, 03:19 PM, said:

Show me the EVIDENCE that video games have made society worse in some way.
  

I've actually seen proof that violence amongst young people has actually gone down since video games. It's just that there are still bad seeds who make it easy to target whatever it is that is popular or new at the moment.

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I laughed my fool head off when Marvin got his head blown off in Pulp Fiction, too... almost fell out of my chair laughing, literally.
I liked that movie but I didn't laugh on that part, I was more like... damn.. :bleedingeyes:

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My main concern is that video games give an out for kids to not exercise, and to get fatter.

True, at the very least it's because when kids eat in front of the TV it distracts them and enables them to eat more. The more calories you consume the fatter you get. I saw this on a show recently called, "The Truth About Food". They had a girl there who ate more slices of pizza in front of the TV than when she ate at the dinner table with no TV. This girl was overweight despite the fact that she exercises a lot and runs marathons. Then of course you get kids who might want to have snacks whenever they are in front of a screen. I think people should refrain from eating in front of the TV.
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It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen.

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Posted 30 March 2008 - 09:23 PM

View PostSmoke_Tetsu, on March 30th 2008, 11:14 PM, said:

True, at the very least it's because when kids eat in front of the TV it distracts them and enables them to eat more. The more calories you consume the fatter you get. I saw this on a show recently called, "The Truth About Food". They had a girl there who ate more slices of pizza in front of the TV than when she ate at the dinner table with no TV. This girl was overweight despite the fact that she exercises a lot and runs marathons. Then of course you get kids who might want to have snacks whenever they are in front of a screen. I think people should refrain from eating in front of the TV.

I used to eat snacks no-stop when I watched cartoons.

One time I was eating pizza with a group of people and a small older lady out-ate me eating pizza. She ate like 4-5 pieces at least. I had to leave the room. :blarf:

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 07:13 AM

View Postzapranoth, on March 30th 2008, 05:19 PM, said:

Show me the EVIDENCE that video games have made society worse in some way.   My main concern isn't the violence -- as Gary put it very well, I too am a gentle person who loves brutal video games.  I laughed my fool head off when Marvin got his head blown off in Pulp Fiction, too... almost fell out of my chair laughing, literally.
I'm gentle also. And I also laughed hysterically at that moment in Pulp Fiction. (In fact, I enjoyed that movie so much that I wish that I'd get amnesia so that I could enjoy that much again.)


I'm sure that many of you have heard the "news" about violent video game being relaxing; however, the most of the media just regurgitates what it is told. Before believing the study, you should read Violent videogames = relaxation? Itís more complex than that (at one of my favorite websites) which provides a serious look it.

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