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#21 Mr.PreacherMan

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 01:55 PM

View Postatari, on February 15th 2007, 10:56 AM, said:

Whatever happened to being a "manly man"?
That doesn't apply when women are involved. ;)


While not WoW-specific, I think you'd be best off combining a lot of the previous comments and...

1. Let her pick a class/concept that appeals to her.

1a. If she's completely undecided, give her the damage-dealer so that she doesn't get frustrated by "not doing anything".

1b. Try to direct her to something of medium-low complexity. Too low and you risk boredom. Too high and you risk frustration.

2. Pick a complimentary class to go along with her choice - either support for her tank or a tank for her support.

2a. In this trial run, I'd personally cede my own preferences on class/build and pick the best possible complement to her character.

3. Don't plan exclusively for the end-game. Aim for characters that are useful at each phase of the game, with an emphasis on the lower levels.

4. Don't treat her like a new female gamer. Treat her like a new gaming buddy. Slight yet important distinction - right up on par with guys who introduce their significant other as, "my Japanese girlfriend," instead of as their girlfriend.

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 02:49 PM

View Postatari, on February 15th 2007, 07:56 AM, said:

Whatever happened to being a "manly man"?
:excl:  Are you implying that Redd Foxx was not a manly man?  He owned a DUMP for cripes sake!  He was a role model for us all!!
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Posted 15 February 2007 - 03:13 PM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on February 15th 2007, 09:49 PM, said:

:excl:  Are you implying that Redd Foxx was not a manly man?  He owned a DUMP for cripes sake!  He was a role model for us all!!

Let´s just say that real men don´t FAKE heart attacks,we actually suffer them due to malnutrition and heavy drinking. :)
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Posted 15 February 2007 - 03:34 PM

View Postatari, on February 15th 2007, 06:44 AM, said:

Let me know when/if you have found an anwser to that  :w00t:

Plan A: Follow wife around on knees begging her to see the light. (too straight forward, no good). -did not work
Plan B: Formulating, trying to avoid strategy involving bribes of gems, purses, or shoes (WoW items don't count).
Plan C: Fill in the Blank...

Edited by Huntn, 15 February 2007 - 08:25 PM.


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Posted 15 February 2007 - 04:01 PM

View PostHuntn, on February 15th 2007, 10:34 PM, said:

Plan A: Follow wife around on knees begging her to see the light. (too straight forward, no good).
Plan B: Formulating, trying to avoid strategy involving bribes of gems, purses, or shoes (WoW items don't count).
Plan C: Fill in the Blank...

Ah,never mind....like the French say ..."I surrender".
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Posted 17 February 2007 - 08:01 AM

Hehe, I've been down that road before...trust me, it is not easy.

I was trying for years(!) to interest my wife in computer games, I had no luck what so ever, because at that time I was mainly playing shooters, which my wife absolutely has no interest in. All in a sudden I came across Diablo II (yes, it's about five years ago since I got her into it). I never really have gotten into RPGs (I know, it's hack'n'slash) before, but this time I suddenly got hooked. I showed this to my wife, and lo and behold, she said "Yeah, might as well try that one".

Actually, you know what got her? The music and the isometric view. She really liked the music (we both like it very much, I think it's much better then in the expansion pack and in WoW) and the isometric view made it easy for her to earn her ropes (she gets easily lost in the real world, 3D-games at that time would've been impossible for her).

Once we got the ball rolling, it was easy for her to slip into NWN, then into KotOR, and after that we had our first try at MMORPGs, the infamous Star Wars Galaxies. We loved that game until the great nerf came, the NGE. By that time, the whole world was getting into WoW, and so she was actually the first of us to try it.

Since then we've been playing WoW as a couple since Dec '05, almost every day for at least an hour, usually two.

One advantage my wife has, she really has great imagination, and loves fantasy stuff. So it wasn't too hard to sell her on fantasy RPGs. She still has no interest in shooters, but that is ok, since I lost my interest in them anyway.

Our first duo in WoW was Shaman/Mage (she Shaman, me Mage) and that rocked pretty good, although we were both completely new to the game. These are still our mains (both 60), currently we're playing a Druid/Priest combo (she Druid, me Priest). That works very well as well, although the massive damage output from the mage is missing. These are our main twinks (lvl 40). We have also two other evolving duos (Paladin/Warlock and Hunter/Paladin, the latter our only Alliance chars). Both teams are in their early teens.

So, the question is, try to find the right(!) game for her to get in to computer games. For my wife it was Diablo II, isometric view and the music(!). Maybe it's WoW for your wife, but I would try more than one game.

Hopefully it works out, but then you may not want to know how your whole marriage develops after that....  :happy:

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 08:21 AM

View Postelectricdawn, on February 17th 2007, 03:01 PM, said:

our first try at MMORPGs, the infamous Star Wars Galaxies. We loved that game until the great nerf came, the NGE.

Ohhhhh...Galaxies...I miss a decent crafting system  :crying:
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Posted 17 February 2007 - 09:39 PM

Well. Status update.

I think the classes that I have settled on is a Paladin/Mage combo. This is with her as the Paladin and me as the Mage. That way she can just whack away at the monsters and I can nuke him safely.

I used a small personality test to see which classes she would be most attracted to. It came down to Rogue, Paladin, or Hunter. Of all those, she really wanted to be a human because she thought they looked more natural and normal. That eliminated Hunters. I eliminated Rogue myself because I thought that would be too complicated for her.

Profession wise, I thought it might be good to have her do two gathering professions for the sake of simplicity. I know that when I first tried the game, blacksmithing was a major stress factor that made me unhappy and wanting to quit.

So, I'm gonna suggest being a skinner and herbalist (she thought herbalism would be fun). Meanwhile, I will be a tailor and an alchemist. She can give her herbs to me.

Anyway. That is where we are right now. Once things settle down a little for us with work and grad. school, we'll give it a try and see if she likes it!

All of you have been very helpful. Reading the different ideas and experiences has been great.

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 11:17 AM

Any ideas for what characters your children will eventually play, or will procreation take too much time away from The Game?  ;)

Does anybody know about entire families that have formed some sort of online WoW clan?  I'd be interested in reading that article.
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Posted 18 February 2007 - 01:16 PM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on February 19th 2007, 04:17 AM, said:

Any ideas for what characters your children will eventually play, or will procreation take too much time away from The Game?  ;)
That's what alts are for. On some RP servers anyway, or so I hear...  :whistling:

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 07:25 PM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on February 18th 2007, 11:17 AM, said:

Does anybody know about entire families that have formed some sort of online WoW clan?  I'd be interested in reading that article.

I don't have an article, but I know of exactly that- a clan I was a member of on Dalaran (server)- brothers, girlfriends, parents, cousins, uncle, etc. (I think they all moved to another server.) A great bunch while the clan was going strong.

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 08:03 PM

View PostHuntn, on February 18th 2007, 08:25 PM, said:

I don't have an article, but I know of exactly that- a clan I was a member of on Dalaran (server)- brothers, girlfriends, parents, cousins, uncle, etc. (I think they all moved to another server.) A great bunch while the clan was going strong.

You were on Dalaran? :w00t: Are you talking about SFU, by any chance?

There's so many servers out there; you almost never hear about someone on your particular server. :) I don't play anymore and haven't for a bit over a year now; we might not have ever 'met'. I was Novum in <PIE>. Yourself?

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 04:15 AM

View PostXandrian, on February 18th 2007, 04:39 AM, said:

So, I'm gonna suggest being a skinner and herbalist (she thought herbalism would be fun). Meanwhile, I will be a tailor and an alchemist. She can give her herbs to me.

I'd suggest letting her be a herbalist/alchemist instead, since just collecting and not creating removes the fun of collecting. Blacksmithing has to be the most hard profession to level up, while alchemy, tailoring and leatherworking never proved any problems to me. Alchemy has always felt like the most easy profession to skill up, since while late blacksmithing calls for 20+ bars of Thorium, few potions require more than 5 herbs. Let her be part of the creation too, that will motivate her a lot more.
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Posted 19 February 2007 - 07:34 AM

View PostWhaleman, on February 19th 2007, 04:15 AM, said:

I'd suggest letting her be a herbalist/alchemist instead, since just collecting and not creating removes the fun of collecting. Blacksmithing has to be the most hard profession to level up, while alchemy, tailoring and leatherworking never proved any problems to me. Alchemy has always felt like the most easy profession to skill up, since while late blacksmithing calls for 20+ bars of Thorium, few potions require more than 5 herbs. Let her be part of the creation too, that will motivate her a lot more.

Good point. I think I'll go with that.

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 04:28 PM

View Postcosmo, on February 18th 2007, 09:03 PM, said:

You were on Dalaran? :w00t: Are you talking about SFU, by any chance?

There's so many servers out there; you almost never hear about someone on your particular server. :) I don't play anymore and haven't for a bit over a year now; we might not have ever 'met'. I was Novum in <PIE>. Yourself?

Sorry I missed u! I had a long list of characters in <KoC> (Knights of Conviction), prominent were: Arclight (L60 Human Pally), Jaquar (L50 N.E. Hunter). I stopped playing WoW in Feb 2005.

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I'd suggest letting her be a herbalist/alchemist instead, since just collecting and not creating removes the fun of collecting. Blacksmithing has to be the most hard profession to level up, while alchemy, tailoring and leatherworking never proved any problems to me. Alchemy has always felt like the most easy profession to skill up, since while late blacksmithing calls for 20+ bars of Thorium, few potions require more than 5 herbs. Let her be part of the creation too, that will motivate her a lot more.

My experience was alchemist was not a good profession for making money, but I never got to the higher levels of it. What's your opinion? :)

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Posted 20 February 2007 - 04:32 AM

View PostHuntn, on February 19th 2007, 11:28 PM, said:

My experience was alchemist was not a good profession for making money, but I never got to the higher levels of it. What's your opinion? :)

In most cases the herbs sell for more than the potions made from them. There used to be some exceptions like Free Action Potions (for pvp mostly), nature and fire protection potions (for endgame raids). The major mana and major healing pots used to go fo about the same money the herbs to create them costed... like 3g per pot. All this changed with the expansion though. Nobody wants silly major mana pots when there's super mana ;)

I never really used any of my professions to make money... but of the money I've done, most have come from selling pots and herbs, and enchanting materials (but then I doubt I never made up for all the gold I lost from disenchanting stuff to start with). My skinner/Leatherworker is probably the one who made the absolutely least money from his professions.
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Posted 21 February 2007 - 09:20 PM

Hmmm....for some reason this topic fascinates me. I would love to hear any updates. So far you, X , have described your lady as extremely reluctant, possibly hostile to this idea. I would add that every girlfriend I have ever had, save one, would have been very much against me even bringing the idea up...it would be considered extreme bad taste...at best.


Oh and Electricdawn...I really WOULD like to know how the marriage works out. It seems utterly alien to me that one's wife would play WoW 2 hours a night with you. What are the implications? It's fascinating.

I suppose most women I know are "reality-biased". Sure they will spend a couple of hours at a movie, or many more in a book, but unless it seems like real-world concerns are being advanced, they would feel like slobs. (not that real-world concerns are not being advanced, mind you. I have no idea what your life is like).

Anyway, color me curious.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 10:38 AM

View Posttotallywhacked, on February 21st 2007, 09:20 PM, said:

Hmmm....for some reason this topic fascinates me. I would love to hear any updates. So far you, X , have described your lady as extremely reluctant, possibly hostile to this idea. I would add that every girlfriend I have ever had, save one, would have been very much against me even bringing the idea up...it would be considered extreme bad taste...at best.

Extremely reluctant yes... Hostile... probably not. It just isn't her "thing." She is more into reality than fantasy and didn't grow up with computer games being present in her life. She does like stories though. If I can hook her on a storyline than she would enjoy that I predict. The story in WoW is weaker than some games, but it does exist.

She and I have an agreement. Once she and I start playing (we still haven't yet due to lack of time), if she decides after a week or so that she really isn't having fun and wants to do something else, than that is it. End of story. I don't want to make her do anything she doesn't want to. I'm just more curious to see if she is being held back by possible stereotypes about computer games, and actually might really like a game like WoW if she tried it. Especially since she could play it with me and not have to see a game as "time I'm not spending with hubby."

If she doesn't, than oh well. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. We will see what happens.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 11:09 AM

View Posttotallywhacked, on February 21st 2007, 09:20 PM, said:

Hmmm....for some reason this topic fascinates me. I would love to hear any updates. So far you, X , have described your lady as extremely reluctant, possibly hostile to this idea. I would add that every girlfriend I have ever had, save one, would have been very much against me even bringing the idea up...it would be considered extreme bad taste...at best.
Oh and Electricdawn...I really WOULD like to know how the marriage works out. It seems utterly alien to me that one's wife would play WoW 2 hours a night with you. What are the implications? It's fascinating.

I suppose most women I know are "reality-biased". Sure they will spend a couple of hours at a movie, or many more in a book, but unless it seems like real-world concerns are being advanced, they would feel like slobs. (not that real-world concerns are not being advanced, mind you. I have no idea what your life is like).

Anyway, color me curious.

My wife spends much time with Casino type games on her iBook. The other night she was up to 3am beating Lego Star Wars on our Game Cube. So she is not hostile to gaming, but because of our fanatical friend (hardcore WoW addict), my wife has been very negative about WoW. Now I've taken a 2 year break from WoW and I think I could have a good time playing dedicated characters, as in dedicated to each other. She really likes watching me do single player console games if there are some puzzles involved. Recently she has been watching me do God of War. So I used a low key sales pitch that WoW would be a great opportunity to game together, not against each other. And that we would limit ourselves, made easier by the fact that I travel a lot and that would make it easy not to play when separated. I'm surprised but she bit on the idea.

I would prefer to start in the new area as something like dual Blood Elves, but I don't want to spend the money on two  expansion purchases until I know she is going to stick with it. So we are going to start somewhere, low key such as Teldrassil as Night Elves (stilling mulling over the best class combo) and see if it grows on her. If not, oh well, but at least she is giving it a shot.

I've been very vocal about WoW's shortcomings- I really don't like the static nature of WoW's world but I think playing as dedicated characters, I could have a decent time fooling around. But it will be on a limited time scale. My ideal would be 2 nights a week for a couple of hours for each session. Wouldn't that be the height of irony if she starts bugging me to play all of the time?  :blush:

There has been some combo class talk in this thread. For Night Elves, I'm currently thinking one of the following:
Druid-Priest
Warrior- Priest
Hunter- Priest
Druid- Hunter
Druid- Priest (fixed- was listed as mage)
Druid- Druid
Priest- Priest
Hunter-Hunter

Any thoughts? At one point I was playing part of a dual Shaman team with a friend and it seemed very effective. Priest-Priest or Druid-Druid could be interesting...

In my former WoW life, Hunter was one of the most enjoyable classes I played. I liked having a pet tank and having the training aspects associated with a pet (training new pets to get new pet skills), although keeping it fed at times was a real chore. I played a Druid in the beta, which was really gimped in the beginning but friends have told me it is now a hot class, plus I've heard Hunters and Pallys are hot too.

I also have to make a server decision. My dilemma? My former characters if they still exist with their talents, abilities to make things to help out new characters is on Dalaran, my son is on a different server, and our addicted friend is on a third server. I think our friend will pop if and when she finds out my wife is trying the game out. When you move a character to a new server, do they bring everything with them or leave most of it behind?
Thanks!

Edited by Huntn, 22 February 2007 - 11:32 AM.


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Posted 22 February 2007 - 11:22 AM

View PostHuntn, on February 22nd 2007, 06:09 PM, said:

There has been some combo class talk in this thread. For Night Elves, I'm currently thinking:
Druid-Priest
Warrior- Priest
Hunter- Priest
Druid- Hunter
Druid- Mage
Druid- Druid
Priest- Priest
Hunter-Hunter

Any thoughts?

I guess the Druid-Mage is supposed to be Druid-Priest, since the Nelfs can't be mages.

The warrior priest combo is extemely powerful and can do a lot things other combos could not handle... but it can also be a very slow combo if you end up instance speccing the characters (prot warrior, holy priest). Me and my fience are currently playing a Fury/Prot (41/20) and Holy/Disc (46/15) combo. There's few elites we can't take on just the two of us, but it takes time even with a mostly DPS specced tank.

The Druid-Hunter combo is our secondary mains (or alliance mains, the warrior/priest are trolls), and while my druid has jumped between all kinds of specs, the current feral tree is sick in terms of tanking and damage. It's a useful combo, with the only drawback that the tank is also the main healer. But it works well with a hunter pet turning on growl to let the druid change out and heal. With a priest instead of a druid, the pet would be the main tank, and despite what all beastmaster hunters thinks of their beloved pets, they're not good as main tanks. The priest would have to be dedicated to healing at harder mobs, since the tanking pet drops in health fast.

A druid-druid combo should probably be one of the most interesting... we played a bit as druid-shaman (tauren), and that was a lot of fun... we actually play druid-shaman-hunter now with a friend as a shaman, and my shammie rerolled as hunter, and it's a blast. The Druids can alternate roles, taking turns to do the different duties to get a more dynamic experience.

Priest-Priest is probably the hardest of them all. No tanking... even if a disc specced priest can stay alive through a lot it would be hard to take out melee elites with such a combo, especially if they're resistant to fear and stun.

The hunter-Hunter could work out very well with alternating tanking/mend pet. Keeping aggro off the hunters should not be that much problem with such a combo. It would still be tricky on higher levels, but two pets is almost a viable tank if working together right.
You shouldn't ask yourself such worthless questions. Aim higher. Try this: why am I here? Why do I exist, and what is my purpose in this universe?

(Answers: 'Cause you are. 'Cause you do. 'Cause I got a shotgun, and you ain't got one.)

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