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#1 spiff

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Posted 17 May 2006 - 09:07 AM

I've been waiting for the new macBooks to come out so I can do some BootCamp gaming - but I now see that they use integrated memory for the graphics.  Will this be an issue?  Looking at the specs (of the lower 2 options especially), any educated guesses on its performance?  Thinking of Guild Wars specifically, but any thoughts welcome.

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Posted 17 May 2006 - 09:10 AM

It won't run any games well, see the Mac Mini benches which would be similar:
http://barefeats.com/mincd.html

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Posted 17 May 2006 - 09:11 AM

View Postspiff, on May 17th 2006, 11:07 AM, said:

Will this be an issue?

Of course. If the Mac mini is any indication, the integrated graphics will be a big problem for OpenGL-intensive stuff, especially gaming. We haven't posted benchmarks for it yet, but every indication is that it'll be in the same ballpark as the Mac mini.
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Posted 17 May 2006 - 07:52 PM

View Postspiff, on May 17th 2006, 08:07 AM, said:

I've been waiting for the new macBooks to come out so I can do some BootCamp gaming - but I now see that they use integrated memory for the graphics.  Will this be an issue?  Looking at the specs (of the lower 2 options especially), any educated guesses on its performance?  Thinking of Guild Wars specifically, but any thoughts welcome.

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shared memory is always a problem.

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Posted 17 May 2006 - 08:13 PM

View PostLemon Lime, on May 17th 2006, 09:52 PM, said:

shared memory is always a problem.

It isn't just the shared memory that is a problem.

Anyways, the MacBook is fairly competatively priced. Most low end PC Core Duo laptops with integrated graphics sell for just under $1000, so $100-$200 more to be able to try Mac OS X, then be able to run Windows if it doesn't work for your needs is a pretty good deal.

It isn't a gaming machine. It'll have problems with even this generations' games.
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 08:22 AM

It'll have problems with previous generation games.

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Posted 21 May 2006 - 04:48 PM

Its a little better then the last iBooks and a little better then the mac mini (faster processor).

So it can run games, just not PLAY games.
Really depends on your standards.

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Posted 22 May 2006 - 09:07 AM

View Postspiff, on May 17th 2006, 10:07 AM, said:

I've been waiting for the new macBooks to come out so I can do some BootCamp gaming - but I now see that they use integrated memory for the graphics.  Will this be an issue?  Looking at the specs (of the lower 2 options especially), any educated guesses on its performance?  Thinking of Guild Wars specifically, but any thoughts welcome.

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I remember the iBooks as having dedicated memory on which many games could be played. If correct, I'm surprised these new models would rely on integrated memory. Apple's way of pushing gamers to MacBook Pros? That kinda sucks...

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Posted 23 May 2006 - 09:06 PM

Apple Web Site Info
Model, SPECint_rate_base2000, SPECfp_rate_base2000
iMac                32, 27
MacBook Pro    34, 27
MacBook          29, 24
MacMini            29, 25

Statement(s) in this thread indicate that the MacBook would be unacceptable for gaming, along the lines of a Mini. But the above data from Apple does not seem to indicate that unless there is another measure that is missing here. Some gaming benchmarks would be helpful.

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Posted 23 May 2006 - 09:16 PM

View PostHuntn, on May 23rd 2006, 08:06 PM, said:

unless there is another measure that is missing here.

Spec is for CPUs. Games also use GPUs.

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Posted 24 May 2006 - 01:27 AM

ok hpothetical time!



Quake 4 on 2.0ghz Macbook lowest rez possible lowest texture detail possible

no high quality effects, no shadows just bump maps and specular

would it run over 30 frames?

and if not what if no bump mapping?

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Posted 24 May 2006 - 10:10 AM

30 fps? More like 12 fps, and that's when there's nothing going on.

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Posted 24 May 2006 - 11:17 AM

View PostYixian, on May 24th 2006, 10:10 AM, said:

30 fps? More like 12 fps, and that's when there's nothing going on.

I'm sure double-clicking the Quake 4 icon will work just fine.

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 03:54 AM

seriously though?

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 01:26 PM

Twice as slow as a 15" PB G4.

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 09:37 PM

View Postbobbob, on May 26th 2006, 02:26 PM, said:


Frankly that is disappointing. I was checking out a MacBook in the Apple Store and in the profiler it indicates a card with 64MB VRAM. So while that memory might be integrated into the main system memory, I imagined it would provide decent gaming performance. But this link makes it look like Apple has nerfed the MacBooks. Even the iBook out performs the MacBook???

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Posted 26 May 2006 - 10:11 PM

View PostHuntn, on May 26th 2006, 08:37 PM, said:

Even the iBook out performs the MacBook???

Say what you want about 'even the iBook', but the MacBook does have a better CPU. The iBook just sucked all around.

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Posted 07 June 2006 - 10:04 AM

Okay.  This really has to stop.  




I bought a macbook recently.  And I was generally in the same camp as all of you.  


Yes the integrated graphics are crappy.  But that doesn't mean he can't enjoy the latest games.  I just recently got a retail copy of Half-Life 2: Episode one, and it runs better then I'd hoped, and looks better as well.  

Even barefeats said that the mac mini recieved a significant increase in performance when installed with 1 gig or 2 gigs of paired ram.  Stop with all the "Macbook can't do gaming" crap.

It does have a glaring problem that I need help with though:  whenever I reach an autosave point, the game crashes.  I'm able to load my save and continue, but it's getting on my nerves.

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Posted 07 June 2006 - 11:15 AM

View Postvalkan, on June 7th 2006, 11:04 AM, said:

Okay.  This really has to stop.  

My responses were based on what I've read. If you getting good performance, especially out of Halflife 2, then we need to spread the word. What kind of settings and what kind of frames you getting?

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Posted 07 June 2006 - 11:44 AM

I need to run benchmark tests, where can I find what I need?