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#1 Quicksilver

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 02:30 PM

Hey, I just finished installing Tiger and getting my settings set so that I'm not going crazy.  I love doing that!

I'll post my Halo benchmarks as soon as I get a chance, but right now, it looks like the fears of slow Finder performance (at least on my machine) are not true.  Everything feels just as snappy, and some things are faster.  Mounting .dmg files is MUCH faster--the verification process takes about a second instead of a few seconds.  

Like I had hoped, the Pioneer DVR-109 is now fully supported (ie, no spindown issues), but iTunes still won't burn discs over 24x speed.

--4/28 3:15 PM

Holy crap!  Spotlight is FAST--saaawweeeeeeet!

--3:30 PM

(much later)

Well, I have to say that everything is (as far as I've tested) at a minimum, just as fast as it was on a clean install of 10.3.9.  Mail is extremely snappy, and I'm liking the new interface.  I haven't run into a single problem with anything that worked on Panther.  It's interesting to note the new processor control panel which lets you disable processors and processor napping.

Since when does Apple send you Mac OS X without iMovie, iDVD, and iPhoto?

--8 PM

4/29

Here's my Halo timedemo performance scores.  Note, these are with everything maxed at the specific resolution quoted, with lens flare low, VSYNC off, and no FSAA.  Also, note that I'm using a  different version of the X800, so these scores should be somewhat lower (and not comparable to) the retail X800XT.  Because of that, I've included the latest Panther benchmarks on my machine as well for comparison purposes.  Enjoy!

<<Standard Tests on Halo 1.5.1 (Advanced Shaders)>>

Panther/Tiger

640x480
66.34 / 67.77 fps

800x600
63.82 / 65.59 fps

1024x768
58.78 / 59.88 fps

1280x1024
49.16 fps / 49.43 fps

1600x1200
40.32 / 40.52 fps

If you're interested in performance data for pretty much any other game Doom 3 (which I'm ordering), let me know.  But, make sure it's for a reason--I'm not going to spend hours benchmarking for the simply curious!   ;)
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Posted 28 April 2005 - 06:22 PM

I benchmarked Unreal 2004 and got the same score I got with 10.3.9 but when actually playing the game it seemed much smoother. I checked the fps and they didn't seem to drop down as low as they did in 10.3.9. I surmise that it is possible that the overall top FPS may not be much improved in some games but the overall performance may be better.

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 10:48 PM

I was one of the lucky ones (I guess) who got their copy earlier from macmall, and Tiger has been nothing but crap since doing a fresh install on my G5.  It constantly locks up when working with my external drives--one usb 2 Maxtor 200 gig and one firewire 200 gig.  I have had to hard reboot my computer 3 times in the last two days.  So far I am less then impressed with the functionality of Tiger.  Plus the added features, so far, don't seem worth the move from Panther to Tiger.  I just hope updates will follow soon and fix the issues I'm having.  If not I'm seriously thinking of installing Panther again.  I just can't afford the lost time to the hdd lock ups.

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 10:51 PM

QuicksilverG5, on April 28th 2005, 03:30 PM, said:

Since when does Apple send you Mac OS X without iMovie, iDVD, and iPhoto?

Since iLife became a separate product.  It comes with new computers, but it's not part of OS X.

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 08:22 AM

Well, true.  That's irritating!
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Posted 29 April 2005 - 08:36 AM

QuicksilverG5, on April 28th 2005, 08:30 PM, said:

Hey, I just finished installing Tiger and getting my settings set so that I'm not going crazy.  I love doing that!

I'll post my Halo benchmarks as soon as I get a chance, but right now, it looks like the fears of slow Finder performance (at least on my machine) are not true.  Everything feels just as snappy, and some things are faster.  Mounting .dmg files is MUCH faster--the verification process takes about a second instead of a few seconds. 

Like I had hoped, the Pioneer DVR-109 is now fully supported (ie, no spindown issues), but iTunes still won't burn discs over 24x speed.

--4/28 3:15 PM

Holy crap!  Spotlight is FAST--saaawweeeeeeet!

--3:30 PM

(much later)

Well, I have to say that everything is (as far as I've tested) at a minimum, just as fast as it was on a clean install of 10.3.9.  Mail is extremely snappy, and I'm liking the new interface.  I haven't run into a single problem with anything that worked on Panther.  It's interesting to note the new processor control panel which lets you disable processors and processor napping.

Since when does Apple send you Mac OS X without iMovie, iDVD, and iPhoto?

--8 PM

4/29

Here's my Halo timedemo performance scores.  Note, these are with everything maxed at the specific resolution quoted, with lens flare low, VSYNC off, and no FSAA.  Also, note that I'm using a  different version of the X800, so these scores should be somewhat lower (and not comparable to) the retail X800XT.  Because of that, I've included the latest Panther benchmarks on my machine as well for comparison purposes.  Enjoy!

<<Standard Tests on Halo 1.5.1 (Advanced Shaders)>>

Panther/Tiger

640x480
66.34 / 67.77 fps

800x600
63.82 / 65.59 fps

1024x768
58.78 / 59.88 fps

1280x1024
49.16 fps / 49.43 fps

1600x1200
40.32 / 40.52 fps

If you're interested in performance data for pretty much any other game Doom 3 (which I'm ordering), let me know.  But, make sure it's for a reason--I'm not going to spend hours benchmarking for the simply curious!   ;)

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Did you do an upgrade or clean install?

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 10:09 AM

I did a clean install.  Wow, do you want to edit down the part where you quoted me?
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Posted 29 April 2005 - 11:23 AM

Of course it may be premature to say this, but it looks as if the huge performance gains we were all expecting in regards to gaming in Tiger just aren't there (yet).

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 11:55 AM

so far so good on my Ti 800, 1gb ram, 60GB HD (16mb cache WOOT!!)
Everything is great now that I got rid of Virex AV.  That was KILLINg my CPU.  Now, all is well.  Pretty much the same speed if not faster overall in basic UI stuff.  I must say it "Feels Good".  But, this laptop doesn't get a hammering of use as far as heavy IO or CPU usage anymore.  The test will be my G5 at home.  I hope it kicks ass on that thing.  :)

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 12:23 PM

Algol, on April 29th 2005, 02:22 AM, said:

I benchmarked Unreal 2004 and got the same score I got with 10.3.9 but when actually playing the game it seemed much smoother. I checked the fps and they didn't seem to drop down as low as they did in 10.3.9. I surmise that it is possible that the overall top FPS may not be much improved in some games but the overall performance may be better.

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Weird, in my G5 with Radeon 9800 Pro, with Tiger, UT 2004 performance dropped a lot. It's too glitchy to play. Then I installed ATI Displays 4.5.1 and got it back to normal.

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 02:14 PM

Um, I wasn't expecting big performance increases with 10.4.0.  Especially after we've been told over the last few months not to expect big performance increases 10.4.0.
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Posted 29 April 2005 - 02:31 PM

QuicksilverG5, on April 29th 2005, 08:09 AM, said:

I did a clean install.  Wow, do you want to edit down the part where you quoted me?

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Quicksilver, or anyone.  I want to do a clean install but I don't want to lose certain information such as my keychain, Apple and Entourage email boxes, and software registrations.  My personal information in other words.  What folders do I need to back up to keep this info intact?  I think it's about time for a clean install,  I haven't had one since 10.2.0  Anybody have a link to a site that gives tips for folks wanting to do a clean install with out wiping their personal data completely out?
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Posted 29 April 2005 - 03:16 PM

the Battle Cat, on April 29th 2005, 01:31 PM, said:

Quicksilver, or anyone. I want to do a clean install but I don't want to lose certain information such as my keychain, Apple and Entourage email boxes, and software registrations. My personal information in other words. What folders do I need to back up to keep this info intact? I think it's about time for a clean install, I haven't had one since 10.2.0 Anybody have a link to a site that gives tips for folks wanting to do a clean install with out wiping their personal data completely out?

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I will second tBC's question since I am a Mac noob.

Also the scuttlebutt that I here is that hopefully the performance increases we all seek will start happening with 10.4.3 or 10.4.4

Also wik: tBC, I just found this and thought it would be helpful

http://forums.applen...read.php?t=5667

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 04:08 PM

No fair! Right about now the east coast gets it from stores. But I don't even get to dream about touching the box for another 3 hours! I wonder what will happen to apple's stock?
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Posted 29 April 2005 - 06:19 PM

the Battle Cat, on April 29th 2005, 01:31 PM, said:

Quicksilver, or anyone.  I want to do a clean install but I don't want to lose certain information such as my keychain, Apple and Entourage email boxes, and software registrations.  My personal information in other words.  What folders do I need to back up to keep this info intact?  I think it's about time for a clean install,  I haven't had one since 10.2.0  Anybody have a link to a site that gives tips for folks wanting to do a clean install with out wiping their personal data completely out?

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Just do an archive and install.  That will give you a brand new OS, but retain the contents of your Users directory (data files, preferences, email, etc).  The only things that would be lost of any import would be third party kernel extensions (ie Norton Utilities) and potentially some third party preference panes (depending upon where they were installed).

Boot the Tiger disc, when you get to the point that has you select a hard drive, click on your boot drive.  A button labeled "options" becomes available, click it and on the following page choose "Archive & Install"--be sure to select the "Preserve Users and Network Preferences" checkbox.

Install.

Sit back and ride the Tiger...

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 06:52 PM

Thanks for the feedback and the applenova link.  Archive and Install it is.  That's what I've been doing since 10.2
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Posted 29 April 2005 - 07:52 PM

the Battle Cat, on April 29th 2005, 07:52 PM, said:

Thanks for the feedback and the applenova link.  Archive and Install it is.  That's what I've been doing since 10.2

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This article may be useful as well:

http://www.macworld.....php?lsrc=mwrss
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Posted 29 April 2005 - 09:19 PM

I'm in the same position as tBC, I'll probably do an archive and install, but I have another question:
I'm going to buy a new hard drive soon, would it be better to install clean on the new drive or do an archive and install on the old drive.

Also how much free space should I have on an 75gig drive before doing the archive and install? I have 15-17 free right now so I think I'll be fine.

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 11:10 PM

dualg4, on April 29th 2005, 09:19 PM, said:

I'm in the same position as tBC, I'll probably do an archive and install, but I have another question:
I'm going to buy a new hard drive soon, would it be better to install clean on the new drive or do an archive and install on the old drive.

Also how much free space should I have on an 75gig drive before doing the archive and install? I have 15-17 free right now so I think I'll be fine.

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I'll answer those questions in backwards order.  You're fine with that much space free to do an archive & install.  Pretty much, if OS X isn't complaining about a lack of free drive space, you can handle an archive & install.

As far as the new drive goes, it depends on whether you want it to be your primary boot disk.  If its a faster drive or has a bigger cache than your current drive, I'd make it your new boot disk.  If the specs are the same, just archive & install on the current drive would be my advice.  Pretty much, unless the new one is better, just keep up with what you have so you don't have the hassle of moving everything over and reinstalling again.
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Posted 29 April 2005 - 11:50 PM

I just got my copy about an hour ago. I am not sure when I am going to install yet.

OK, ok so I just couldn't stand it!!!! I got it up and running on my PB right now!

The only thing so far that I have noticed is that Freefall doesn't work :(

Other than that so far, so good.

Safari seems a little snappier, the widgets are pretty darned cool I must admit.

Will post more later.