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#21 xcman22

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Posted 28 March 2005 - 12:20 PM

Ok, The X-Wing Collection on CD-ROM just arrived today...I'm a tad worried because there is nothing in the manual or cd case that suggests it also has Tie Fighter, but the pics online say that it does, so I'll find out when I get home. For all those who care or are awaitng a performance review, have no fear-one will be up either tonight or tomorrow.

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 08:54 AM

Hi,

X-Wing/Tie Fighter runs very well on my G4 MDD booted in OS 9.2.2.  I can use my ADB CH F-16 FighterStick, Pro Throttle, and Pro Pedals set up via the iMate USB to ADB converter.  Hind, Apache, A-10, F/18-Hornet, and other older simulators also work with this setup.  HappyGear also works very well with USB joysticks, however, I could not get it it to work with the throttle and pedals.

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 10:45 AM

I tested out X-Wing last night, and thought I'd post my experiences...

- X-Wing Collector's Edition does NOT include Tie Fighter, advertising on Amazon to the contrary. The PC version does, but the Mac version doesn't. I was slightly miffed at this, but I'll probably buy Tie Fighter seperately anyways.

- X-Wing runs very well booting into OS 9.2.2. You might have to manually change the screen size/resolution to fit your needs (Or have Happy Gear do it for you), but the game runs just fine.

-It is my recommendation that you use Happy Gear as opposed to USB Overdrive. OSB Overdrive did not work. Happy Gear did.

- Happy Gear gave me a warning that I needed the JoyManager extension to be activated or the program won't work. This is a lie-the latest version of Happy Gear incorperates the extension into the program, so there is no need for the extension-which is good, because the latest version doesn't come with one.

-X-Wing did NOT work when I set up Happy Gear to run via JoyManager. Therefore, I set it to work as Mouse/Keyboard, which did work. However, the program will crash if you set your initial joystick opitons as being beyond certain parameters. After some experimenting, I found that the following options are the LIMIT of what will work for my Extreme 3D Pro Joystick
           -Joystick
           -4-Way Hat (1)
           -Buttons (8)-My joystick has 12 buttons, but setting it to 12=crash.
Once you get past this window, you can add extra functions which I then assigned to my other buttons, z-axis and slider,and the program will accept them.

- X-Wing MUST be set to Use Mouse with this set up-nothing I tried got X-Wing to see my joystick as a joystick.

- Do NOT use your joystick like a mouse while moving around on the ship. This may seem obvious to everyone else, but I was trying to use my joystick like a mouse and failing miserably. Then I read the Read Me's that are included, and in the Read Me that deals with joysticks, there is this sentence tucked away that clearly says use your mouse to navigate while onboard the Independence.

- Be sure to set up your system in a way so the mouse deson't move once you start flying. If you move the mouse at all, your fighter will go in a certain direction and not stop unless you settle the mouse. For example, if I move the mouse just a bit to the left, I won't touch the joystick and the fighter will spin left-you need to make sure the mouse doesn't interfere.

- I ran into a problem where even with my mouse disabled, my fighter kept spining left. I think it has something to do with my z-axis rolling set up. I may have to disable rolling, which would suck, but on the other hand I can't be fighting against my own controls to fly either.

- I am really bad at this game.


That's all I had time for last night. I flew the first training mission and just tried out all the controls. I could use like 30 more buttons, but that's ok. The hat switch worked. The slider worked. The buttons worked. Except for the drifting left problem, the rolling and movement worked. I am pleased. Tonight I will try it out in Classic.

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 11:22 AM

so i tested tie fighter on classic and the game installed fine and when i clicked to launch the game it launched into classic but simply altered the color on the screen and nothing else.  the game however loaded but only the music.  there were no images.  any help?  im not sure how to fix this.  the comp is running osX

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 01:31 PM

tutdiesel, on March 29th 2005, 12:22 PM, said:

so i tested tie fighter on classic and the game installed fine and when i clicked to launch the game it launched into classic but simply altered the color on the screen and nothing else.  the game however loaded but only the music.  there were no images.  any help?  im not sure how to fix this.  the comp is running osX

You can't fix it.  It doesn't work in Classic, as has been stated on this thread....

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 08:28 PM

i used to play X-Wing all the time on my old 68040 performa, so it'll run (as mentioned on page 1).  All this talk about X-Wing and Tie-Fighter made go and re-install it on my 8600 and fix my old joystick (i had to fuse a new connector to it).  Boy, did i miss those flight sims...
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Posted 29 March 2005 - 11:56 PM

Eric5h5, on March 29th 2005, 02:31 PM, said:

You can't fix it.  It doesn't work in Classic, as has been stated on this thread....

--Eric

Hrm... So who'd still have this code? ;) I think Brad Post worked on the original ports (I'm not sure if Aaron Giles was at LucasArts at that point, though I think X-Wing and Tie Fighter were done by TotallyGames...). I'm guessing some direct-to-screen trick was used to speed up game play. I'm sure if it was changed to used standard calls it'd work fine in Classic.

Alas, I'm sure this code has been lost to the sands of time (or at least, the LucasArts vaults...)

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 06:57 AM

So the game runs fine, but I can't fix this problem of having my shift immediately drift to the left once flying begins. Its not the mouse, so I'm thinking maybe my joystick is broken? Anyone have any idea how to fix this?

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 10:31 AM

I know I'll probably get butchered alive for admitting this, but I played the game (and Tie Fighter) with only a mouse and did quite well. For those who boo me, remember it is not a true simulation as the game already does not factor momentum into space, you can hear lasers and engines through the vacuum of space, etc. So using a mouse doesn't seem that bad after all, does it?

Both great games by the way. I played them many a time in high school. How are the DVDs working out for you Nate?
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Posted 30 March 2005 - 01:09 PM

If by DVD's, you are referring to one of the best sci-fi series of all time that forced me to watch like six episodes a day, they are supremely awesome! Thanks SO much for allowing me to do business with you!

Yeah, I could see playing it with a mouse-my concern is that my joystick is broken in under a week. The Extreme 3d Pro doesn't seem to be able to fly straight anymore, but i am currently testing to see if its my mouse, the game or my joystick. It just doesn't make any sense that the flight sim starts and my fighter IMMEDIATELY goes to the left....

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 01:31 PM

redo the calibration on your joystick.  You also may need some drivers for that joystick, not sure where to get em though.
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Posted 04 April 2005 - 10:13 AM

Sadly, I must report my X-Wing experience as a failure. While the game runs just fine once booted in OS 9, I have found no way to fix the "veering to the left" problem. Here is what I tested, using a Logitech Optical Mouse, a Logitech 3d Extreme Pro Joystick, and HappyGear:

-No Joystick plugged in, no HappyGear: Ships veers left automatically, can stabilize moving mouse to right, but any movement to left with mouse causes it to continue.

-No Joystick, No HG, No Mouse: No problem, except that I can only use my keyboard to move.

-Joystick, HG, Mouse plugged in: Veers to left. I can stabilize with my mouse, but once I touch the joystick it goes back to the left.

-Joystick, HG, No mouse plugged in: Veers to the left, no way to stabilize.

-Joystick, HG, Mouse, SET TO JOYSTICK MODE WITHIN X-WING: I actually got X-Wing to somehow recognize my joystick AS a joystick within the menu options, as opposed to tricking it into thinking it was a mouse. However, even after numerous attempts at calibration, and unplugging my mouse once combat started, there was no way to control the craft-my ship would spin out of control at barely a touch.

At this point, I have no idea what to do. I have reinstalled the game twice, but to no avail. There are NO drivers for this product that are for the Mac. I'm thinking that maybe a new joystick will work, or maybe my optical mouse is screwing it up. If ANYONE has gotten this game to work with a joystick under OS 9, PLEASE let me know how you configured your usb program as well as X-Wing. Otherwise, I don't think I'll be able to play it.

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 09:03 PM

Hmmm...I seem to recall something about a joystick patch for X-Wing. Let me see now...

Looking through my old game files, I found a 1.02 patch. This is the Read Me included:

Installation: Double-click on the self-extracting file xwing1.02.sea. This will create a folder called "X-Wing Update 1.02" that contains the new application, updated mission and Read Me files, and a default joystick setting for the Gravis Firebird. Drag the new X-Wing application into the X-Wing folder you created when you did your original X-Wing install. The system will ask you if you would like to replace the old X-Wing that is there, and you should answer "Yes." Drag the two folders named "Classic" and "Mission" into the subfolder "X-Wing Data" in your original X-Wing installation folder. Double-click on the new X-Wing application and you're ready to play!

Corrects: These are the changes that have been made since the original release:
-fixed a Type 1 error in Bonus Mission 2 and Tour 1 Mission 7 that occurred on certain configurations
-added support for the Gravis Firebird (also included a default setting)
-fixed default calibration for mouse control
-fixed using the keyboard with cursor keys and the control key
-now allows user-defined settings for CH Products controllers
-fixed a display problem when using multiple monitors and selecting the preferences menu
-fixed the missing Nav buoy bug in B-Wing Historic Mission 5

Notes: If you are using a CH Products joystick with X-Wing, you now MUST either load the settings included on the X-Wing CD-ROM or create your own settings for the game before playing. Please see the Joystick ReadMe for installation instructions after installing this update.


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And of course, you've read the Joystick Read Me on the original disk...



Joysticks

General Information
To fully enjoy the X-Wing experience, we highly recommend the use of a joystick.  We have provided default joystick sets for several popular joysticks which will automatically assign predetermined keyboard functions to certain joystick buttons. If you choose to use a joystick while playing X-Wing, you have a wide range of choices.  The joysticks supported by the game are:

• CH Products Flightstick Pro
• CH Products Jetstick
• Thrustmaster Mark I Flight Control System
• Advanced Gravis MouseStick II
• MicroQue QueStick
• MacALLY Joystick
• MacFly Joystick

We have included the latest version of CH Products' driver software for optimum support. If you are using a CH Products controller (Flightstick Pro or Jetstick), please make sure to update your software before loading your settings as described below. For any joystick not listed here, check the instructions that came with the joystick. To set your joystick for play in X-Wing, configure your joystick using the software that came with it, so that centering the joystick centers the cursor on the screen, and the joystick is able to move the cursor over the full range of the screen (this is often referred to as “Absolute Mode”).  You can then configure the remaining hats/switches/buttons to simulate standard keypresses.

Note: Because of certain limitations of the game, X-Wing CD does not support joysticks or gamepads which rely upon using the keyboard for directional movement.

CH Flightstick Pro
The "hat" switch and three buttons for the CH Flightstick Pro are hardwired with preset key configurations for X-Wing.  You will not be able to customize the control if you are running with Flightstick Pro software v.1.2.2 (which we have included on your X-Wing CD).  If you would like to assign the "hat" switch and other buttons to something other than the default settings, you will need to create your own settings by using driver software older than the version 1.2.2. To make your own settings, open the Flightstick Pro control panel and follow the instructions that came with your Flightstick Pro. (Note: Make sure that the setting you create is set to "absolute" mode.) Once you have made the desired changes to the joystick settings, go to the CH control panel and click onto your new set.  We have provided the same default set if you decide not to upgrade your CH software and don't want to make your own settings file.  

If you do make a customized X-Wing set, please make sure that the "current setting:" is X-Wing (or whatever name you have for your joystick set), the "automatic load" box is checked and the application switch is on.


CH Jetstick
Go to your Jetstick software in your control panel and select Im-/Export button.  Press Open... and open the file “Jetstick” from the Controller Settings folder on the X-Wing CD-ROM.  Select the X-Wing setting in the right side window and press <<<Import<<<.  Press Done when you have completed this.  Also make sure that the "automatic load" box is checked and the application switch is on.


Thrustmaster Mark I FCS
Copy the strokes set “X-Wing” from the Thrustmaster folder, located in the Controller Settings folder on the X-Wing CD-ROM into your ThrustMaster Strokes Sets folder (located in the Preferences folder of your system folder).  Now go to your Thrustmaster Strokes software located in your "Thrustmaster stuff" folder usually located on your harddrive.  Click on "Application name menu" button located on the upper left and select X-Wing from the pull down menu.  Make sure that "Direct stick" is selected under "Stick Treatment".  Close the Thrustmaster Strokes software and double check that the Thrustmaster Monitor is in your system's startup folder and that the Thrustmaster driver has been checked on in your Extensions.  

Advanced Gravis MouseStick II
Copy the included X-Wing set file from the MouseStick folder in the Controller Settings folder on the X-Wing CD-ROM into the MouseStick sets folder in your system folder.  Open the MouseStick II control panel, select the X-Wing set, and drag the selection to the image of the joystick you are using.  Make sure that the "application aware" box is checked.


MicroQue QueStick
Open the QueStick software under the system's control panel.  Click on the configure button, select the Import button, choose Desktop, the folder “QueStick” from the Controller Settings folder on the X-Wing CD-ROM, double-click on the X-Wing set and click on done.  Then select add under the application side of the Questick software panel, go to your X-Wing install folder, select X-Wing and press done.  Now highlight X-Wing on the app side, highlight the X-Wing set on the sets side and select attach.  

The “primary” button is the finger trigger with the AUTO switch set to the On (forward) or Off (down) position.  Note:  Due to certain limitations of the Questick software, the thumb button has been assigned the "T" key (when the AUTO switch is ON) which cycles through all targets.  In order to target and/or spin your ship on its axis, you will have to use the CTRL key on the keyboard. The thumb button has been assigned the "."(period) key when the AUTO switch is off.


MacALLY Joystick
Open the MacALLY Joy App.  Select Import from the File menu and choose the X-Wing setting in the “MacALLY” folder from the Controller Settings on the X-Wing CD-ROM and click open.  Then select the X-Wing setting.

MacFly Joystick
Open the MacFLY control panel located in your system's control panel and select load.  In the load box, go to Desktop, X-Wing CD, Controller settings folder, the Macfly folder, click on the X-Wing setting and open.  Make sure "absolute" is selected under the heading Motion:.


Because proper configuration for some of these joysticks requires that they take over the mouse pointer, you may find that moving the mouse during gameplay can affect your movement.  Unfortunately, the only real solution to the problem is to just be careful not to move the mouse while you’re playing.  If you find that you have difficulty moving your mouse, make sure that your joystick is as close to center as possible on your desk.  Note: joysticks are only active during flight sequences.  Use the mouse to move around in the static interactive game screens such as the inflight map, briefing, damage, film room, tech room, Historical and Tour of Duty rooms.  

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Does any of this help?

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 10:03 PM

A Wise man once told me," Ask, and you shall find."

He also told me, "Boy, you are really stupid."

Of all the things I thought to do, looking for a patch wasn't one of them. However, once I installed the patch, i found my little navigation problem disappeared. Many many thanks! I will now bring justice to the world, strike fear in the hearts of tyrants, and see if I can sleep with Princess Leia!

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 07:06 AM

xcman22, on April 4th 2005, 09:03 PM, said:

A Wise man once told me," Ask, and you shall find."

He also told me, "Boy, you are really stupid."

Of all the things I thought to do, looking for a patch wasn't one of them. However, once I installed the patch, i found my little navigation problem disappeared. Many many thanks! I will now bring justice to the world, strike fear in the hearts of tyrants, and see if I can sleep with Princess Leia!

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Ahhh...but in your defense...this is a really old game. You would think that the version on the CD should not require a patch, it should have already been fixed.

I may have to dig this little gem out myself. Its been a while since I've blown up any tie fighters.

...and if you figure out the key command to sleep with Leia, make sure you pass it along....

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 07:10 AM

Also, if you do a bit of digging, there are numerous guides for help with the missions. I may even have a digital or hard copy somewhere....

A few hints...

When it comes time to blow up a star destroyer, aim for the circular "planetariums" on top of the ship.

Also, make sure you destroy any Tie bombers ASAP, they will seriously screw up your day. There is a key command to check the status of your current mission. Learn it and use it periodically. I spent over an hour one night destroying tie fighters and bombers and finally gave up on the mission, only to discover that the bombers had slipped through the defenses and destroyed one of the shuttles I was defending.

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 02:14 PM

i bought the X-Wing strategy guide a long time ago and remember being more happy reading the story included in the guide rather than the strategy guide part of it :o
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Posted 06 April 2005 - 07:19 AM

I actually own both strategy guides-not a bad read if you are a Star Wars fan. Sadly, neither of them can change the fact I am the worst EVER at flight sims. I still haven't grasped the changing of power settings, like shields, lasers or engines, and at the moment I can't get my joystick to perform a proper roll, though I know it can be done. However, it's perfectly ok-I'll just become the lowest scoring cadet the Rebellion has ever seen! Besides, they let me play with my own starfighter, and I'm hoping The Battle Cat can teach me a few hints on seducing a certain fictional Princess! <wink>.

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 11:21 AM

xcman22, on April 6th 2005, 05:19 AM, said:

...and I'm hoping The Battle Cat can teach me a few hints on seducing a certain fictional Princess! <wink>.

Use the flower chaingun.  As long as you don't run out of ammo you can show up late, make comments about her mother, fart in the car, and scope on her girlfriends.
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Posted 07 September 2006 - 07:11 AM

A bump from the past! Just got a copy of this game and figured it would be the easiest way to play it without resorting to Windows. The "updated" Windows versions lack the charming dynamic music of the earlier releases, and they're a bitch to get working on modern systems.

This game is much older than I remembered. I was thinking the Mac version would just plug and play on my "new" G4, like a Playstation game. I had forgotten the weirdness with Input Sprockets, Classic OS, screen resolution switching, and all the other hassles. At least my "new" Mac is old enough that I can boot into native OS9.

I know aobut USB Overdrive and have begun mapping my USB controller to the mouse/keyboard settings. Any other tips for this old game on a (somewhat) modern system?