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[macdude22]

I love making popcorn and watching Inside PC Gaming

[Matt Diamond]

macdude22, on 21 November 2020 - 12:06 PM, said:

I love making popcorn and watching Inside PC Gaming

I think your snark is a distancing mechanism, papering over a fear of being rejected by this community. Don't worry, MacDude, we still love you!

[the Battle Cat]

Matt Diamond, on 21 November 2020 - 04:46 PM, said:

Don't worry, MacDude, we still love you!

Hey speak for yourself!  Macdude22 refuses to set me up with his newest calico kitty named Polly.  Just this morning he was very harsh with me over this and I had to spend the next two hours power licking myself to relieve the tension.  On the bright side, I don't stink as much, but now my tongue looks like the ragged flag over the Alamo just before Santa Anna reclaimed the mission grounds.  Plus he let me die in Borderlands 3 last night when I was right behind him with that same old tired alibi, "I can't find you, I don't see anyone's name over them".  It cost me 32 million space credits to respawn. Then to make matters worse, he also bullied me into picking up a class mod he had saved and dropped for me.  I didn't want to but he just kept looming over me hollering at me to pick it up!

I say we pull his pants down and shove him into the girl's locker room.  No, he'd like that.  We should take some girl out of the girl's locker room, pull her pants down and shove her into his locker.  No he'd like that even better.  You know what?  Let's just forget this whole "pants" thing and think of something else to do to him.

[Homy]

This is impressive. Different pc games like Metro Exodus running on M1 through CrossOver: https://youtu.be/GUG8SbrFj-A

[jeannot]

Homy, on 30 November 2020 - 03:03 PM, said:

This is impressive. Different pc games like Metro Exodus running on M1 through CrossOver: https://youtu.be/GUG8SbrFj-A

The games stutters from time to time, bit it seems relatively playable and it still looks good. This bodes well for the native version.

[dr.zeissler]

No, I don't want to play win-games over three "emulation-layers"

[dr.zeissler]

Has Apple specs for the gpu in m1 released? (pixel-shader, vertex-shaders etc.)

[Thain Esh Kelch]

From Larians Baldur's Gate 3 news letter:
"As of today, both Divinity: Original Sin 2 and Baldur’s Gate 3 run on the new range of Macs, but they currently run via Rosetta 2, which doesn’t really make use of the exciting features M1 enables."

So Baldurs Gate 3 was actually running using Rosetta at the event, which I found surprising. I assumed it being native code, since they were showcasing it (Did I miss it being mentioned anywhere in this thread?). This also means it will likely run even better than what they showcased!

[dr.zeissler]

Hopefully Feral/Aspyr and the others will make use of the M1 and not just wait for M1X or "lifuka" or how the discrete apple-gpu will be named.

[Thain Esh Kelch]

They will in time, but one has to remember that the M1 market share is minuscule at the moment, compared to regular iGPU containing Macs, so the latter will still be the low bar that games are ported for.

[jeannot]

Thain Esh Kelch, on 02 December 2020 - 01:17 PM, said:

From Larians Baldur's Gate 3 news letter:
"As of today, both Divinity: Original Sin 2 and Baldur’s Gate 3 run on the new range of Macs, but they currently run via Rosetta 2, which doesn’t really make use of the exciting features M1 enables."

So Baldurs Gate 3 was actually running using Rosetta at the event, which I found surprising. I assumed it being native code, since they were showcasing it (Did I miss it being mentioned anywhere in this thread?). This also means it will likely run even better than what they showcased!

I don't think it means that the game was running under Rosetta. This could have been some early development version not yet accessible to the public.

[Thain Esh Kelch]

I'd find it surprising if they had a native version running well a month ago, and is only releasing an X86_64 version a month later. After all, this is prerelease software anyway.

[Homy]

dr.zeissler, on 01 December 2020 - 10:31 AM, said:

Has Apple specs for the gpu in m1 released? (pixel-shader, vertex-shaders etc.)

Here are som specs, not for shading units though. https://www.anandtec...ple-m1-tested/3

[jeannot]

Thain Esh Kelch, on 03 December 2020 - 07:37 AM, said:

I'd find it surprising if they had a native version running well a month ago, and is only releasing an X86_64 version a month later. After all, this is prerelease software anyway.

Apple showed Office running natively on ARM at WWDC, but the beta has only been available since last month.

[Thain Esh Kelch]

jeannot, on 03 December 2020 - 02:43 PM, said:

Apple showed Office running natively on ARM at WWDC, but the beta has only been available since last month.

That is certainly true! But users expect a β-release Office to be stable as they use it for work, Baldur's Gate 3, not so much.. But yes, you are most likely right!

[jeannot]

Homy, on 30 November 2020 - 03:03 PM, said:

This is impressive. Different pc games like Metro Exodus running on M1 through CrossOver: https://youtu.be/GUG8SbrFj-A

For comparison, running on Windows, intel iris : https://www.youtube....h?v=ByMkyayroRg
The M1 Mac pushes twice as many pixels (1080p vs 720p), uses two emulation layers (windows > macOS x86 > macOS ARM for the CPU)  (DX11 > openGL > Metal for the GPU) and still runs the game faster overall.
That's unless crossover implements something particular, like a DX11 to Metal direct conversion, but I don't think they do. AFAIK, Wine only does DirectX to openGL (conversion to Metal calls is done by macOS on the M1, as the M1 has no openGL drivers).

[Janichsan]

jeannot, on 04 December 2020 - 03:24 AM, said:

.... (conversion to Metal calls is done by macOS on the M1, as the M1 has no openGL drivers).

I have yet to see any proof for this claim.

[jeannot]

Janichsan, on 04 December 2020 - 08:13 AM, said:

I have yet to see any proof for this claim.

Reportedly, the openGL renderer on M1 Macs is named "Metal (something)" while it should be the GPU name.
EDIT: it's named "4.1 Metal - 71.0.7"

[Homy]

TFLOPS is not everything but the rumored 128-core GPU would be crazy fast. It would faster than any GPU on the market, including GF 3090!!

M1 8 GPU cores 2.6 TFLOPS
M? 16 GPU cores 5.2 TFLOPS
M? 32 GPU cores 10.4 TFLOPS
M? 64 GPU cores 20.8 TFLOPS
M? 128 GPU cores 41.6 TFLOPS

Radeon Pro 5700 6.2 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro 5700 XT 7.7 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro Vega II 14.06 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro Vega II Duo 2x14.06 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3060 14.2 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3060 Ti 16.2 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6800 16.2 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3070 20.3 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6800 XT 20.7 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6900 XT 23 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3080 29.8 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3090 35.6 TFLOPS

[Frost]

Sounds like unless you need and get one of the higher end dGPUs, the M1 is a star performer.