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Posted 14 October 2016 - 08:49 AM

View PostMatt Diamond, on 14 October 2016 - 08:19 AM, said:

> I wasn't alive when the Apple II was around, but I think the comparison is ludicrous. [..] The Mac will be fine.

I mostly agree with you. But a tiny devil in my brain wants me to mention that the slogan "Apple ][ Forever!" was introduced AFTER the Mac came out.

An even tinier devil whispers that Apple didn't pull the plug on Apple ][ until many years later. And at that point people were surprised to hear Apple was still making them.

"My point", says the first, larger devil, "is that in 1985 everyone blindly trusted that the Apple ][ wasn't going anywhere. Maybe that's what's happening with the Mac now."

"Like you have any special insight," scoffs the smaller devil. "You're just playing devil's advocate. Someone says something, you propose the opposite."

"Me?! You're LITERALLY a devil's advocate! I'm just trying to help my good friend Matt make sense of the world."

"Some friend! Your constant second-guessing is the reason he can't talk to women!"

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Posted 15 October 2016 - 11:55 AM

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Posted 15 October 2016 - 07:26 PM

Just hit me that Apple has dropped support for my 2008 Mac Pro. So no Mac OS Sierra, and therefore any game that uses Metal is at serious risk of not running well or at all.

So that's not good. Looks like I'll be playing down my backlog a bit faster than I thought..
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Posted 15 October 2016 - 10:27 PM

View PostMatt Diamond, on 15 October 2016 - 07:26 PM, said:

Just hit me that Apple has dropped support for my 2008 Mac Pro. So no Mac OS Sierra, and therefore any game that uses Metal is at serious risk of not running well or at all.

So that's not good. Looks like I'll be playing down my backlog a bit faster than I thought..

Apparently if you don't mind a bit of hacking it's possible to get it installed: http://forums.macrum...sierra.1978005/

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Posted 16 October 2016 - 12:09 PM

View PostMatt Diamond, on 15 October 2016 - 07:26 PM, said:

Just hit me that Apple has dropped support for my 2008 Mac Pro. So no Mac OS Sierra, and therefore any game that uses Metal is at serious risk of not running well or at all.

So that's not good. Looks like I'll be playing down my backlog a bit faster than I thought..

I don't think the hardware in the 2008 Mac Pro supports metal.

If you dropped a newer GPU in then it would, but none of the available GPU's from Apple for that machine support metal. It's more than just a software support issue. Newer API's like Metal, Vulkan, and DX12 require hardware features in newer GPU's to work properly.
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Posted 16 October 2016 - 02:13 PM

How about a mid 2010 Mac Pro?
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Posted 16 October 2016 - 07:15 PM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on 16 October 2016 - 02:13 PM, said:

How about a mid 2010 Mac Pro?
Last I heard, that model was the bare minimum that Sierra supports. (Though apparently it's easy to flash a 2009 Mac Pro to be a 2010 Mac Pro.)

Thanks for the link, Cougar. Still not sure my GTX 680 will support Metal, and that's the main reason to upgrade to Sierra for me, so this is looking like a dead end. I'm very impressed that people got Sierra working on the Pro3,1, though.
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Posted 17 October 2016 - 12:12 AM

The GeForce GT 650M is supported by Metal, so the 680 should too.

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Posted 17 October 2016 - 06:38 AM

View PostMatt Diamond, on 16 October 2016 - 07:15 PM, said:

Last I heard, that model was the bare minimum that Sierra supports. (Though apparently it's easy to flash a 2009 Mac Pro to be a 2010 Mac Pro.)

Thanks for the link, Cougar. Still not sure my GTX 680 will support Metal, and that's the main reason to upgrade to Sierra for me, so this is looking like a dead end. I'm very impressed that people got Sierra working on the Pro3,1, though.

Basically the 3,1 was dropped off because of it's weak default GFX card. The CPU supports SSE4 which appears to be the primary cutoff for Sierra outside of GPU. I will probably do a sierra hack my 3,1 for one last huzzah sometime. I am too busy to mess with it right now but I'll milk one more year out of this old workhorse before I buy a new machine.
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Posted 17 October 2016 - 02:15 PM

View PostCamper-Hunter, on 17 October 2016 - 12:12 AM, said:

The GeForce GT 650M is supported by Metal, so the 680 should too.

So glad I bought this MBP. Old enough that I can put a 2TB SSD in it, new enough that it still supports all the new goodies.

View Postthe Battle Cat, on 16 October 2016 - 02:13 PM, said:

How about a mid 2010 Mac Pro?

It's supported except for iPhone integration features that require bluetooth 4.0. Again, I highly recommend Sierra. At least on my MBP, 10.12 Sierra is the first release since 10.9 Mavericks that doesn't have a long boot up and have odd little slowdowns. Boot is still about half the speed of Mavericks, but everything else is just as snappy, most importantly the UI.
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Posted 18 October 2016 - 08:20 PM

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Posted 19 October 2016 - 12:45 AM

View PostCougar, on 18 October 2016 - 08:20 PM, said:

I'll believe it when I see it.

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Posted 19 October 2016 - 11:06 AM

October 27th................. 2019

Wouldn't actually be surprised if that was the case.
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Posted 19 October 2016 - 01:16 PM

Whatever and whenever it is Apple, I don't care anymore.  My next Mac will be the least expensive iMac on the market, and only then when my mid 2010 Mac Pro can't run the OS any longer.
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Posted 19 October 2016 - 02:07 PM

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Posted 19 October 2016 - 03:18 PM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on 19 October 2016 - 01:16 PM, said:

Whatever and whenever it is Apple, I don't care anymore.  My next Mac will be the least expensive iMac on the market, and only then when my mid 2010 Mac Pro can't run the OS any longer.

It's a shame, we're all here because we love Apple and gaming on Macs. But the Tim Cook management has just left us out in the cold here these past years.

Mac OS still kicks the popsnizzle out of Windows at productivity tasks, but it's just so far removed from anything sane gaming-wise now it's sad.
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 12:15 AM

View PostFrost, on 19 October 2016 - 03:18 PM, said:

Mac OS still kicks the popsnizzle out of Windows at productivity tasks

Please define productivity. I'm no less productive writing technical documentation in Win Word than Mac Word, and drawing diagrams in Visio than OmniGraffle. Or configuring network equipment in mRemoteNG or PuTTY than the Mac's SSH client, or Firefox Win or Mac when there's an HTTP interface.

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Posted 21 October 2016 - 01:18 PM

View PostCamper-Hunter, on 20 October 2016 - 12:15 AM, said:

Please define productivity. I'm no less productive writing technical documentation in Win Word than Mac Word, and drawing diagrams in Visio than OmniGraffle. Or configuring network equipment in mRemoteNG or PuTTY than the Mac's SSH client, or Firefox Win or Mac when there's an HTTP interface.

Windows is a clearly productive OS and apps/tasks that were designed for Windows will be more productive in Windows, just as stuff designed for macOS will be more productive there.

The productivity benefit however I would believe goes to macOS since it has the ability to do so much more then Windows. You are working in a Unix environment which is critical for many programmers. You have access to Mac specific applications and optimization (Final Cut Pro probably being the greatest of which - a 15" rMBP outperforms top of line Windows desktops running Premier Pro in rendering performance). You have the ability to run Windows (or any other OS) either natively or in a VM through multiple options that are fully supported and patched by Apple. That is why I believe macOS is more productive. It gives you the ability to do more then Windows does.

If your job just relies on using Office and a web browser then it really doesn't matter which platform you use. If your job goes beyond that then macOS can really stretch its productivity legs. I am 1 of 3 sysadmins in at few hundred person company and I am able to use a Mac flawlessly to administer a fully Microsoft environment (90% of servers and Windows Server, and all Workstations (besides mine) are PC's). I can do my job just as effectively as my two co-workers and I can even go beyond their capabilities since I have the ability to use Apple Configurator to do some basic MDM stuff with our companies iPhones.
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Posted 21 October 2016 - 01:34 PM

View PostSneaky Snake, on 21 October 2016 - 01:18 PM, said:

If your job just relies on using Office and a web browser then it really doesn't matter which platform you use.

Paul B. brought me a beer from Washington which makes his Mac office apps better than the Windows office apps who's developers have not brought me any beer. Check and mate.
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Posted 21 October 2016 - 02:44 PM

I have to side with Macdude on this one.  His logic is impeccable.
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