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[jos]

Of course nothing is 100% sure, as plans can always change, but the way it's looking right now it seems as if macOS Mojave, which will be released this fall, will be the last version of macOS to support 32-bit apps, so the version of macOS that'll be released in fall 2019 will be the first operating system for Macs that will be 64-bit only. I thought it'd be a good idea to make a topic where we can see what games do support 64-bit and what games are still 32-bit.

These are the sources I've used to create the first version of this list:
- Aspyr Support website:
https://support.aspy...your-Mac-alert-
- Games I've got currently installed on my own Mac:
To check compatibility perform these actions:
- Click on the Apple menu;
- Click on About This Mac;
- Click on System Report...;
- Click on Applications (under Software);
- Check the column on the right that says 64-Bit.

Of course these two sources gave me only a very short list, so if you'd check the games you've currently got installed on your Mac and post your results here I'll update this list. Of course moderators and administrators can also update the list.

Games that currently do support 64-bit:
- Civilization: Beyond Earth
- Civilization VI
- Jade Empire: Special Edition
- Layers of Fear
- Life is Strange
- Mafia III
- Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Games that currently do not support 64-bit:
- BioShock Infinite
- Borderlands 2
- Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel!
- Call of Duty
- Call of Duty 2
- Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
- Call of Duty: Black Ops
- Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
- Civilization IV
- Civilization IV: Colonization
- Civilization V
- Command & Conquer™: Generals Deluxe Edition
- Company of Heroes Complete: Campaign Edition
- Doom 3
- Duke Nukem Forever
- Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy Remastered
- Geometry Wars 3: Dimensions (No longer available for sale)
- Homeworld Remastered Collection
- Mafia II: Director's Cut
- Prey
- Quake 4
- RAGE
- RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 Platinum
- Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun
- SimCity 4: Deluxe Edition
- SimCity: Complete Edition
- Star Wars: Empire at War
- Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
- Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
- Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy
- Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast
- The Secret of Monkey Island: Special Edition
- The Sims 2: Castaway Stories
- The Sims 2: Life Stories
- The Sims 2: Pet Stories
- The Sims 2: Super Collection
- Tomb Raider: Anniversary
- Tomb Raider II

[Cougar]

IMO it's a bit early to do this as I think most of the Aspyr/Feral games have a good chance of being updated, but sure, why not:

No:
Diablo III
Crossover (not a game, but it's related, and it will be updated according to the devs)
Grim Fandango
Incredipede
Nanosaur 2
Pangea Arcade
Prey
Starcraft II
The Ur-Quan Masters (Star Control II)
The Witcher Adventure Game
Tropico 3 Gold
Undertale
All Paradox Clausewitz engine games (Stellaris, EU4, CK2, etc)

Yes:
Shadowrun Hong Kong (and presumably the other two)
Darkest Dungeon
Human Resource Machine
Infinifactory
Kentucky Route Zero
King's Bounty: The Legend (the game has other issues though)
Jazzpunk
Tharsis
This War of Mine
TIS-100
Torchlight II
Twilight Struggle

[Janichsan]

jos, on 26 June 2018 - 10:46 PM, said:

Of course nothing is 100% sure, as plans can always change, but the way it's looking right now it seems as if macOS Mojave, which will be released this fall, will be the last version of macOS to support 32-bit apps, …

Nah, Apple was very unambigious about that during the WWDC: Mojave will be the last version of macOS to run 32 bit apps.

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- Geometry Wars 3: Dimensions (No longer available for sale)

Only on the MAS. The game is still available on Steam.

Here's my contribution:

32 bit
Age of Empires III
Atari800MacX (Atari 8-bit emulator)
Basilisk II (68k Mac emulator)
Brogue
Boxer (DOS emulator)
Californium
DEFCON
Diablo II
Empire at War
FS-UAE (Amiga emulator)
GRiD 2
Knights of the Sky
Rayman Origins
Rocksmith 2014
Rome: Total War – Gold Edition
Sonic & SEGA All-stars Racing
StarCraft
Steam
Total War: Shogun 2
Wing Commander
Worms Revolution
X-COM: Enemy Unknown – Elite Edition

64 bit
Broforce
Defender of the Crown*
Deja Vu: Macventure Series
Devil Daggers
DiRT Rally
Dolphin (Gamecube/Wii emulator)
Doomsday (modernised Doom engine)
Elder Scrolls Online
Euro Truck Simulator 2
Falcon Gold*
Goat Simulator
HITMAN
ioQuake 3
Legend of Grimrock
Memoria
Mighty No. 9
Minecraft
Mini vMac (Mac Classic emulator)
Oolite
OpenEmu
Rocks'n'Diamonds
ScummVM
Sheepshaver (PowerMac emulator)
Sid Meier's Starships
Star Wars: X-Wing Special Edition*
The Binding of Isaac Rebirth
Torment: Tides of Numenera
Ultima V*
Unreal Tournament (the new one)
VICE (C64 emulator)
VirtualC64 (dito)
Wing Commander 2*
Worms W.M.D.
X-Plane 11

* Possibly wrong positives, as these are emulated versions in a wrapper

[Sneaky Snake]

I expect that Blizzard's games will get updated. Blizzard is even supporting Metal in most of their Mac games, so I would think 64 bit support should be pretty trivial for them to add.

[Janichsan]

Sneaky Snake, on 27 June 2018 - 08:54 AM, said:

I expect that Blizzard's games will get updated. Blizzard is even supporting Metal in most of their Mac games, so I would think 64 bit support should be pretty trivial for them to add.

Most of them? WoW and StarCraft 2 do. Heroes of the Storm removed the Metal renderer months ago. Hearthstone runs as far as I know still on an old version of the Unity engine which does not support Metal for Mac. And StarCraft Classic/Remastered, Diablo II, Diablo III, and WarCraft III all run on OpenGL.

[nick68k]

On my system (other than those listed above - apologies in advance for duplicates):

32-bit

Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition (1 & 2 - but 2.5 update will address this)
Bejewelled 3
Dragon Age II
Dragon Age Origins
Eschalon 1, 2 and 3
FATE
Fishdom 2
Heroes of Might and Magic V
Kelly Green
Machinarium
Peggle
Peggle Nights

64 Bit

Avernum 3,4,5,6
Icewind Dale Enhanced Edition
Real Myst
Rise of the Tomb Raider

[Sneaky Snake]

Janichsan, on 27 June 2018 - 11:41 AM, said:

Most of them? WoW and StarCraft 2 do. Heroes of the Storm removed the Metal renderer months ago. Hearthstone runs as far as I know still on an old version of the Unity engine which does not support Metal for Mac. And StarCraft Classic/Remastered, Diablo II, Diablo III, and WarCraft III all run on OpenGL.

Didn't realize the pulled it for HotS. HotS, Diablo III, SC2, and WoW are the only games that need metal I would argue. Hopefully it returns for HotS and makes it to Diablo 3. Hearthstone is about as intensive a web browser game so it can sit on Unity. Hopefully the older games make it over to 64 bit.

[mattw]

Given I have a disk dedicated to my games and so never really uninstall them it's probably worth me adding to this topic.

It would be great if someone can perhaps pin a post and combine all the data - also update when/if any patches arrive?

Anyway this is the list from System Report that are 32-bit and shows the scale of the issue for me. Note there might be the odd WINE wrapper in here that I missed:

Still 32-bit

8-Bit is Enough
39 Steps
99 Levels To Hell
140
Abuse
Alcatraz
American McGee’s Alice
Amnesia
Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs
AmnesiaAMFP
And Yet It Moves
Anomaly War Zone Earth
Argonaut - 2149
Asphalt 6
Assassin’s Creed 3
Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood
Auto Sport Driving
Awesomenauts
Back To The Future
Baddest Of The Bands
Balder’s Gate - Enhanced Edition
Batman Arkham Asylum
Batman: Arkham City GOTY
Battle Fleet
Battlestations Midway
Battlestations Pacific
Big Brain Wolf
Bioshock 2
Bioshock Infinite
BIT.TRIP
BlackPlague
Blackthorne
Blades Of Time
Borderlands 2
Borderlands GOTY
Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel
Boxer
Braid
Broken Sword II Remastered
Brutal Legend
Broken Sword Shadow of the Templars
Bugdom 2
Call of Duty
Call of Duty 2
Call of Duty 4 - Modern Warfare
Call of Duty: Black Ops
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
Cars
Caster
Castle of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse
Cave Story+
Civilization IV
Civilization IV Beyond the Sword
Civilization IV Warlords
Close Combat First to Fight
Closure
Cognition
Cold War
Colin McRae Rally
Command & Conquer Generals
Command and Conquer - Red Alert 3
Company of Heroes
Contraption Maker
Cortex Command b26
Crayon Physics Deluxe
D1X Rebirth
D2X Rebirth
Dangeresque 3
Dead Island
DeadCore
DeadEffect
DeathSpank
DeathSpank - Throngs of Virtue
DEFCON
Deus EX: Human Revolution - Director’s Cut
Diablo II
Diablo III Launcher
Diamond Dan
DIRT 2
DIRT 3 Complete Edition
DIRT Showdown
Doctor Who - The Adventure Games
Doctor Who - The Gunpowder Plot
Doom 3
Doomsday Engine
DOSBox
Dragon Age II
Dragon Age Origins
Dragonfall
Driver San Francisco
Drop Point Alaska
Duke Nukem Forever
Duke Nukem Manhattan Project
Duke3D
Dungeon Defenders
Dungeon Hunter Alliance
Dungeons of Dredmor
Dustforce
Brother in Arms Double Time Earned in Blood
Eets
Empire at War
Empire: Total War - Gold Edition
Enemy Engaged
Enemy Territory QUAKE Wars
English Country Tune
Enigmo
Enigmo 2
F1 2012
F1 2013
Fable - The Lost Chapters
Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy Remastered
Falcon 4.0 Allied Force
Fallout Tactics
Fast Five
FlatOut 2
Ford Racing 2
Foreign Legion
Fractal
Frozen Synapse
Game of Thrones
Gish
Glowfish
Gold Rush! Anniversary
Grand Theft Auto: 3
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Gratuitous SpaceBattles
GRID 2
GRID
Grim Fandango
Gutterball
Heathstone
Heavy Metal
Hector
Heroes of the Storm
Hexen II gl
Hexen II MP gl
Hitman: Absolution
Hitman: Sniper Challenge
Homestar Ruiner
Homeworld Remastered Collection
Hotline Miami
Indie Game The Movie
io Quake 3
Iron Sky Demo
The Binding of Isaac
Jammin Racer
Jedi Knight II
Joe Danger 2 The Movie
Journey Of A Roach
Jurassic Park
Killing Floor
Knights of the Old Republic
La-Mulana
LEGO Batman
LEGO Harry Potter
LEGO Indiana Jones
LEGO Indiana Jones 2
LEGO StarWars Saga
LEGO Batman 2 DC Super Heroes
LEGO Harry Potter Years 5-7
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
LEGO Pirates of the Caribbean
LEGO Star Wars III: The Clone Wars
LEGO The Lord of the Rings
Limbo
Little Inferno
Loom
Lugaru
Mafia II Director’s Cut
MagnetiX
Marble Arena 2
MC Domination
Melissa K and the Heart of Gold
Metro Last Light
Mini Ninjas
MirrorMoon EP
Mishap 2 collector’s Edition
MonkeyIsland
Multiwinia
Myth II
N.O.V.A 2
Nanosaur 2
Napoleon: Total War - Gold Edition
Neverwinter Nights 2
Nexuiz
Mark of the Ninja
Offspring Fling
Oni
Osmos
Otto Matic
Outland
Overlord
Pac the Mac X
Pangea Arcade
Penumbra
Penumbra: Overture
PokerNight 2
Postal 2
Prey
Prince of Persia
Prince of Persia The Sands of Time
Prince of Persia The Two Thrones
Psychonauts
Puzzle Agent
Quake 4
Quake II
R.U.S.E
Race Driver 3
Race Into Space
Racer
Racer 8
RAGE
RainSlickEp1Mac
RainSlickEp2Mac
Rayman Origins
Red Orchestra
Redline
Requiem
Riven X
Road To Hill 30
Rochard
Rocket Birds
Rome: Total War - Gold Edition
Bit.Trip Runner
SamMax201-305
Samurai II
Sanctum
ScummVM
Sega Superstars Tennis
SpaceHulk
Shadowgrounds
Shadowrun
ShadowWarrior
Shank
Shank 2
Postal 2
Shatter
Sid Meir’s Pirates!
SimCity 4 Deluxe Edition
Snapshot
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing
SpaceFarmers
SPAZ
SpecOps - The Line
Surgeon Simulator 2013
Star Front
Star Trek Online
Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy
Star Wars The Force Unleashed
Starcraft (Remastered)
Starcraft II
Steam
StrikeSuit Zero
Strong Badia the Free
Stronghold 3
StuntPlayground
SuperSplatters
SuperTux
SuperTuxKart
Survivor
Shadow Warrior Classic
SwordsAndSoldiers
Tales from the Borderlands
The 7th Guest
The Baconing
The Chronicles of Riddick - Assault on Dark Athena
The Darkness II
The Dig
The Fate of Atlantis
The Frozen Throne
The Last Crusade
The LEGO Movie Videogame
The Lord of the Rings: War in the North
The Movies Superstar
The Path - Prologue
The Penumbra Collection
The Secret of Monkey Island Special Edition
The Ur-Quan Masters
The Walking Dead 2
The Witcher
The Wolf Among Us
TheWalkingDead
ThomasWasAlone
Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell Conviction
Tomb Raider
Tomb Raider 2
Tomb Raider: Underworld
Tomb Raider: Anniversary
TorchlightMac
Total War: Shogun 2
Trauma
Trine
Trine2
Tropico 3: Gold Edition
Tropico 4: Gold Edition
Tropico5Steam
TruffleSaga
Two Worlds II
UberStrike
Unepic
Unreal Tournament 2004
Uplink
Velvet Assassin
VictorVranSteam
VirtualGP3
Walking Mars
Walking Dead Michonne
Warcraft III
Wargame
Wesnoth
Windosill
Wizorb
Wolfenstein ET
wolfmp
Wolfsp
World of Goo
WOW-4.2.1
XCOM Enemy Unknown
Zen Bound 2
Zero Hour

[Frigidman™]

jos, on 26 June 2018 - 10:46 PM, said:

- Geometry Wars 3: Dimensions (No longer available for sale)

https://www.macgames...s-3-Dimensions/

Speaking of the games being 32bit ... what about clients?

Steam is currently only 32bit as well.

The MacGameStore App has a 64bit version ready, we are just adding more features to it to make it a worthwhile release.

Uplay ... well, they bailed on mac proper, so I'm unsure?

Origin is still 32bit.

Telltale finally gave up on their stupid client and they are all now Steam only.

If you do big fish games, their client is still 1980's 8bit.

[ipickert55]

Frigidman™, on 04 July 2018 - 08:01 AM, said:

https://www.macgames...s-3-Dimensions/

Speaking of the games being 32bit ... what about clients?

Steam is currently only 32bit as well.

The MacGameStore App has a 64bit version ready, we are just adding more features to it to make it a worthwhile release.

Uplay ... well, they bailed on mac proper, so I'm unsure?

Origin is still 32bit.

Telltale finally gave up on their stupid client and they are all now Steam only.

If you do big fish games, their client is still 1980's 8bit.

Of course Telltale made a game client, didn't even know about that.

Isn't steam still 32 bit on windows too?

Uplay isnt even on mac i think, they used to have their old Ubisoft game launcher but they stopped supporting their games years ago.

Origin isnt much of a loss, I honestly dont know why that even has a mac client. The Sims I guess?

[Thain Esh Kelch]

Frigidman™, on 04 July 2018 - 08:01 AM, said:

The MacGameStore App has a 64bit version ready, we are just adding more features to it to make it a worthwhile release.

You forgot to upgrade your forums to a 64bit version - At least it appears it isn't there anymore!

[Cougar]

Steam is partially 64-bit. I’m sure it will get updated, maybe when the UI update is complete. Not so confident with Origin as the few Mac games that are left are probably 32-bit.

[Camper-Hunter]

ipickert55, on 05 July 2018 - 01:31 AM, said:

Isn't steam still 32 bit on windows too?

Indeed. As well as GOG Galaxy, Origin and Uplay, and countless other game related apps (Razer Synapse, Overwolf, Discord...). Not a big deal, though, it's not as if these apps would benefit from being 64 bit.

[Frigidman™]

ipickert55, on 05 July 2018 - 01:31 AM, said:

Uplay isnt even on mac i think, they used to have their old Ubisoft game launcher but they stopped supporting their games years ago.
Origin isnt much of a loss, I honestly dont know why that even has a mac client. The Sims I guess?

Origin: Sims yes.

Uplay: Whats odd is... there is a 'key' we supply for the splinter cell conviction game, which is "Mac Activation Only on Uplay" ... the game won't show up on PC Uplay if you try entering the code on the PC (it even errors). So if there is no mac uplay client, then how in the heck does one activate/install/play that game ! LOL.... hmm... maybe we need to stop selling that game

Thain Esh Kelch, on 05 July 2018 - 03:47 AM, said:

You forgot to upgrade your forums to a 64bit version - At least it appears it isn't there anymore!

Since one person used those forums once a month, we removed it since the License ran out, and the old code was dangerous for security, and updating the old code was going to be expensive and time consuming. So its gone for good.

Camper-Hunter, on 05 July 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Indeed. As well as GOG Galaxy, Origin and Uplay, and countless other game related apps (Razer Synapse, Overwolf, Discord...). Not a big deal, though, it's not as if these apps would benefit from being 64 bit.

Forgot about GOG Galaxy. But as you said... on windows its no big deal because windows 'just keeps playing/running stuff' ... unlike Mac OSX where each monthly update kills off more apps you have, forcing you to buy more apps and popsnizzle. The whole 64bit only craze is an apple induced hysteria. PC people don't care unless the app would actually greatly benefit from it.

[Cougar]

With the new chat out of beta, Steam is now fully 64-bit. Dropbox changed to fully 64-bit too, since the last time I checked. These are the last of the apps I run full-time to go 64-bit, which is nice.

It did require a bit of work, though. Had to purge some old Quicklook plugins to get Quicklookd 32 to go away, and some hidden startup items.

[Janichsan]

Cougar, on 28 July 2018 - 10:12 AM, said:

With the new chat out of beta, Steam is now fully 64-bit.

…and finally fully Retina optimised, as far as I see it.

[Cougar]

Janichsan, on 28 July 2018 - 10:48 AM, said:

…and finally fully Retina optimised, as far as I see it.

Yeah, that was in the beta. But now web views aren't really really slow.

Now they just need to fix this:

[Frigidman™]

Cougar, on 28 July 2018 - 11:11 AM, said:

Yeah, that was in the beta. But now web views aren't really really slow.

Now they just need to fix this:

Funny, they are blury even in non-retina. They are just all around crappy icons there. Coupled with the blue squares under 'notifications' 'messages' and 'username' in the main window upper-right ... their UI still looks halfassed as always.

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[Cougar]

Frigidman™, on 29 July 2018 - 08:11 AM, said:

Funny, they are blury even in non-retina. They are just all around crappy icons there. Coupled with the blue squares under 'notifications' 'messages' and 'username' in the main window upper-right ... their UI still looks halfassed as always.

I like how the notification icon is not properly centered, and it will move up for some reason on hover (it behaves properly on Windows). But the only thing that really irks me is the Windows-style window icons.

Maybe I'm blind, but on retina, the only blurriness I've noticed was in the first beta, when the new UI would not render at retina resolution, but they fixed that.

I've created a (mostly) macOS-specific Steam UI bug thread here. Not that Valve will read it. Can't believe they don't have a proper bug tracking system. Well, I can believe it.

[Frigidman™]

Cougar, on 29 July 2018 - 08:47 AM, said:

Not that Valve will read it. Can't believe they don't have a proper bug tracking system. Well, I can believe it.

Oh I know!!! My brother n I have run into a really annoying-as-heck bug, and cannot find anyway to inform them about it. And then all the other bugs. And then I saw this monster comprehensive thread on their forums (which excluded the annoying bug we ran into lol)... and valve is like... 'meh'.

Well, the nice thing about the new steam 'look' is... it is giving us at MGS/WGS a wider window of 'doing better' for our own new redesign You know... if steam sets the bar low, then its easier for the rest of us to do better lol.