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#1 Thain Esh Kelch

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 01:52 PM

Press release.

This is quite significant. I might actually pick up a tvOS controller now.
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Posted 09 May 2018 - 02:07 PM

An obvious step for Valve, but I am utterly disinterested.

I also question Valve's ability to maintain three mobile apps when they can't maintain one.

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 05:58 PM

Cool in theory, but not sure why I would use it vs. sitting in front of my gaming PC, which is only one room away from living room.

Because, you know, it's all about me.

Or something.
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Posted 10 May 2018 - 05:13 AM

View PostAtticus, on 09 May 2018 - 05:58 PM, said:

Cool in theory, but not sure why I would use it vs. sitting in front of my gaming PC, which is only one room away from living room.

Because, you know, it's all about me.

Or something.
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Posted 10 May 2018 - 07:59 AM

I'm also interested in picking up a controller for my Apple TV upon hearing this.

90% of the time I will still be gaming at my desk, but sometimes I just want to lay on my couch and play a casual game.
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Posted 10 May 2018 - 10:59 AM

For those of you wanting to buy an AppleTV controller, I think you’d be better off just buying a Steam Link so you can use a real console controller. Valve practically gives them away during Steam sales these days.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 11:57 AM

View PostCougar, on 10 May 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

For those of you wanting to buy an AppleTV controller, I think you'd be better off just buying a Steam Link so you can use a real console controller. Valve practically gives them away during Steam sales these days.

To me not having an additional device that I have to change inputs for is worth paying for the appletv controller. AppleTV is already the main TV input for Netflix/Plex/Sports and my Apple TV remote controls the TV+Speakers as well.

The SteamLink's are quite cheap though. Definitely a good option for some people. I've seen them on sale for as low as $20 or so.
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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:27 PM

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 10 May 2018 - 05:13 AM, said:

much larger screen

But it's usually much farther from your eyes. So the viewing angle, unless you have a small monitor or a huge TV in a small room, should be larger with the computer. That's the reason console FPS ports have so often this horridly small FOV.

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 02:23 AM

Interesting, according to the Steam Link app page, the app supports any Bluetooth controller, including the Steam controller. Hopefully it's not a typo and Valve managed to change Apple's minds regarding MFI certification.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 05:20 PM

Awesome, but I wish it was available on the go like NVIDIA's competing GameStream tech is. If I want to take my PC with me and play on it halfway across the country, I just chuck one of my two Shield devices in my bag (I have the Portable and the Shield TV) and I'm good to go. Can do the same with the PS4 on my MacBook Pro or Vita, although Sony's streaming tech is a lot laggier so I never used it much as a result.

In-home streaming is great though regardless. It IS also nice to fire up a game in another room (for example in your home theater) without running HDMI through the wall and plugging and unplugging cables, or physically moving your PC back and forth. This will add that capability.
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 02:19 PM

https://9to5mac.com/...-ipad-apple-tv/

I read this that I can buy any Bluetooth controller and use it on my Apple TV and play my Steam games from my Mac, correct? Almost worth getting a Switch Pro controller now then.
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Posted 23 May 2018 - 05:23 PM

I noticed the other day that nvidia has created an Android tablet with their own gpu naturally and it is designed to work with their streaming service so you can play the likes of The Witcher 3 on a tablet. I saw the thing on Amazon. I think it comes with a controller too. I forget now.
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Posted 24 May 2018 - 05:09 PM

lol, Apple rejected it, evidently because it supports controllers other than MFI, even though it's no different from other remote desktop apps. What a joke. This is on the same level of "civil war games are banned because they are political" stupidity.

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 06:40 PM

This kind of SNAFU happens with some regularity. Apple often overturns the stupider rulings, but it can take persistence. I think we'll still see this one approved.
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Posted 24 May 2018 - 07:18 PM

View PostMatt Diamond, on 24 May 2018 - 06:40 PM, said:

This kind of SNAFU happens with some regularity. Apple often overturns the stupider rulings, but it can take persistence. I think we'll still see this one approved.

I hope you are right. What is so odd/different about this is that Valve had the foresight of getting it pre-approved, then for some unfathomable reason Apple decided to change their minds after it was submitted.

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 08:28 PM

Hm. My understanding is that app was rejected because it potentially makes games on Steam a little too attractive...? Thus the cited "business conflicts."
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Posted 25 May 2018 - 02:05 AM

Honestly, you guys aren't going to be missing much. My Steamlink and Steam controller are sitting in their boxes in a closet since not long after I got them. The novelty of streaming PC games to a television wears off fast.  Most of them don't offer native controller support. Streaming games sucks.

Anyone who wants to tell me it's great, I am glad it is for you. However, that doesn't help me and countless other people who have tried it and concluded that it sucks.

There is a reason Valve is giving away the hardware. It's called demand and there is none. This latest attempt to fix that won't fix it.

I tried online streaming too. In my case with SONY and the PS4. Once again, the initial wow factor did not last !ong. Now, I don't even own a PS4. I play on Xbox because Microsoft understands that game streaming sucks and delivers a direct download or disc based solution that just works. If you want to play games on a TV, I would highly recommend getting it right the first time, unlike myself. It is so much better. The other crap I tried isn't even in the same universe.

Don't believe me? Fine. With rare exception, you'll find out. Again, few people are doing this because it is a sub optimal solution. Frankly, for all the talk of high end hardware,  eGPU boxes, etc. around here it mystifies me that you guys would even consider this junk.

As usual, you get what you pay for. If you want to add the console gaming experience to your Mac and/or PC gaming just get one. It's so much better for the purpose and for cheap money, it just works. After owning both, I greatly prefer the Xbox over the PS4 for reasons you may or may not care about. If anyone wants to know what they are, I'll be happy to provide a list.
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Posted 25 May 2018 - 06:56 AM

Do it. list em. I brought coffee.

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 12:27 PM

View PostDirtyHarry50, on 25 May 2018 - 02:05 AM, said:

Honestly, you guys aren't going to be missing much. My Steamlink and Steam controller are sitting in their boxes in a closet since not long after I got them. The novelty of streaming PC games to a television wears off fast.  Most of them don't offer native controller support. Streaming games sucks.


Early reviews of the app were really positive. But whether or not you find utility in an app like this is besides the point. I couldn't care less about streaming games to my TV and this still pisses me off. It's point #500000 of how Apple doesn't understand games, has no idea how people want to game on their devices, and clearly still has no leadership who gets gaming at all. Or their own dumb App store rules, for that matter. It's a gift to Android for no reason.

And it points to the larger issue that if you want to pose iOS as the future of computing, there is the very uncomfortable fact that you will always be at the mercy of Apple deciding for you how you use your device.

Let's save the pointless PS4 vs XBOX debates to the Console...er, "off topic"...forum.

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 02:09 PM

View PostDirtyHarry50, on 25 May 2018 - 02:05 AM, said:

Honestly, you guys aren't going to be missing much. My Steamlink and Steam controller are sitting in their boxes in a closet since not long after I got them. The novelty of streaming PC games to a television wears off fast.  Most of them don't offer native controller support. Streaming games sucks.

Anyone who wants to tell me it's great, I am glad it is for you. However, that doesn't help me and countless other people who have tried it and concluded that it sucks.

There is a reason Valve is giving away the hardware. It's called demand and there is none. This latest attempt to fix that won't fix it.

I could be completely wrong on this (it's exceedingly rare but does occasionally happen), but I have to wonder if Steamlink's internal hardware being pretty weaksauce contributes too much lag or loss of picture quality versus directly from your PC and that might have something to do with it. I know this was an issue with the PStv that Sony quickly killed. Streaming from the PS4 to your HDTV looked like warmed over ass and was laggy as hell on top of it.

NVIDIA's sales of their Shield Android TV have been really good actually, although I don't know how much of that demand is due to gaming and how much is due to the fact that it's the only Android TV device that is actually worth more than $2 and a worthy competitor to Apple TV. The Tegra X1 decodes the incoming stream VERY fast such that picture quality is excellent and lag over ethernet is practically non-existent. It'll even stream 4K just as well. I've been plenty satisfied with mine and why I think streaming from your own hardware is viable, but I may be getting a totally different experience from what Steamlink and PStv users got and that's coloring my opinions. If something like the PStv was my exposure to in-home streaming I'd laugh and declare it dogpopsnizzle myself.

OTOH, streaming from a PS4 Pro to a Mac is a hell of a lot faster and a hell of a lot better looking. So maybe cheaping out on components is exactly what's killing usability on these devices.

View PostDirtyHarry50, on 25 May 2018 - 02:05 AM, said:

I tried online streaming too. In my case with SONY and the PS4. Once again, the initial wow factor did not last !ong. Now, I don't even own a PS4.

To be fair, PlayStation Now is terrible. Picture quality has been mediocre since the beta and never got much better, and input lag has been atrocious since day 1. I came to the conclusion that you'd have to pay me to play games on PS Now.

I've toyed with the GeForce Now beta on my Mac and NVIDIA's implementation is a hell of a lot better, especially once they put in a data center in Texas. Still not good enough I'd probably subscribe as why do that when I can stream from my own PC with equivalent performance, but if you're going to do streaming, at least they get it right.

View PostDirtyHarry50, on 25 May 2018 - 02:05 AM, said:

I play on Xbox because Microsoft understands that game streaming sucks and delivers a direct download or disc based solution that just works.

*wonders if this is a good time to tell Harry that Microsoft understands game streaming can be good if delivered properly and has offered streaming from the Xbone for a good while now*

Streaming to my PC and Mac from my X1X actually does pretty darn well on the image quality (excellent) and lag fronts (extremely little). My only problem with it was a lot of interface lag, but I think that's just Microsoft's inability to make a console UI that is responsive. Xbox 360 was a laggy crapfest ever since they dropped the blades system and never improved as well. I did manage to speed it up a good bit by modding my X1X with an SSD though.

View PostDirtyHarry50, on 25 May 2018 - 02:05 AM, said:

As usual, you get what you pay for. If you want to add the console gaming experience to your Mac and/or PC gaming just get one. It's so much better for the purpose and for cheap money, it just works. After owning both, I greatly prefer the Xbox over the PS4 for reasons you may or may not care about. If anyone wants to know what they are, I'll be happy to provide a list.

The only thing glaringly wrong with the X1: the controller is awful. Give me the Xbox 360 controller over that any day of the week. Thumbsticks' surfaces are too small and too deep. Since I don't have small hands, I have to play with the edges of the stick in order to play at all, they have way too much slop, and feel like they're on stilts. 360 sticks kill the Bone sticks. Xbox 360 triggers were way nicer too.
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