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#1 UmarOMC1

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 04:50 AM

http://news.cnet.com...rive-this-fall/



Apple's new Mac Pro said to ditch expansions, arrive this fall

A new report says Apple's gunning for a fall release for its Mac Pro desktop overhaul, and that it may be closer to a beefy Mac Mini.
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by Josh Lowensohn June 3, 2013 9:49 AM PDT

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Apple's Mac Pro -- destined for a diet?(Credit: Apple)

As Apple's developers conference approaches, the rumors are coming hot and heavy. The latest? More scuttlebutt on the Mac Pro, Apple's one and only desktop tower, which the company has promised to overhaul and rerelease this year.
New tidbits come from longtime video producer Lou Borella, the creator of the Facebook group "We Want a New Macpro," who on Monday posted details on the changes from "a source or two that has some credibility."
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• It will be heavily reliant on Thunderbolt
• There will be no internal expandability
• It will have support for dual GPUs with three-monitor support right out of the box
• No [Firewire 800] or optical drive
• It will be released in the fall
• It will be a completely new design



While some of those details have shown up before, the rumored changes suggest something much closer to a souped-up Mac Mini than the $2,499, expandable desktop tower Apple has kept largely unchanged (physically) for the past decade. But that might not be a bad thing, according to Borella.
"To truly see any benefit in this type of configuration you have to forget what you know about your existing machine," Borella wrote. "You are going to have to believe that Apple has thought about all the possible existing workflows and has a solution that can replace them."
    Another move toward a lack of user replaceable parts and an optical drive should not be surprising given what Apple has done with its other products. Optical drives have been phased out of Apple's notebooks in favor of slimmer enclosures, a move that's carried over to desktops like the Mac Mini and the latest iMac. The same goes for hard drives, which Apple has made increasingly hard for users to get to, and replaced with integrated flash storage. With that said, one of the main benefits -- and purposes -- of desktops has been the capability to open up the hood and make adjustments.
    The Mac Pro is one of several machines Apple is expected to update in the near future. Others include the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro, which were last updated about a year ago. A report from Apple news site MacTrast last week noted that online availability of the Mac Pro was severely limited, with many online stores listing it as backordered, or out of stock.

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    Posted 05 June 2013 - 07:19 AM

    Hrm.

    Too early to give my opinion on the matter. I will voice what I think when they do release whatever they have come up with.

    Still an interesting read.

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    Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:11 AM

    a very beefy Mac Mini sounds like a better machine than a Mac Pro.  It may have expansion slots in an extra external box that could stack and connect via Thunderbolt for those who wanted to buy the extra.

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    Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:24 AM

    Yes, that would make the most sense, and also open up a market for gamers, as in a barebones machines with room for two graphic cards that doesn't cost close to 3000$ (I hope!).
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    Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:42 AM

    View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 05 June 2013 - 10:24 AM, said:

    Yes, that would make the most sense, and also open up a market for gamers, as in a barebones machines with room for two graphic cards that doesn't cost close to 3000$ (I hope!).

    Hehe yeah, being able to buy a Mac Pro without apple's marked up crappy GPU cards, would be a boon to the gamers market for sure. So long as gamers know "you dont HAVE to buy gpus that have the word APPLE or MAC on the package title" ;)

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    Posted 05 June 2013 - 01:30 PM

    I don't see how you can have multiple GPU support and have no expansion slots?

    I can however see the optical drive going as they are less commonly used these days and as for FireWire you can still attach these devices with Thunderbolt adaptors so that is OK.

    Multiple internal 3.5" disks and a PCI-E slot for a decent desktop GPU (along with the power connectors required) are surely essential for a Pro machine?

    Those two at least for me stop me going with an iMac for now. (I did try an external solution for my disks but it was too slow and too noisy compared to using the internal SATA connectors).

    I'll keep my fingers crossed Apple haven't given up on these features, otherwise I guess I'll probably upgrade the GPU in my 09 model and maybe risk upgrading the CPUs to get a few more years before facing an upgrade dilemma.

    Maybe there will be some progress on high capacity storage options again and you will be able to get 15 to 20TB in an iMac by then....
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    Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:24 PM

    A desktop computer tower without an optical drive and little to no expandability? Yeah, that sounds useful... They might as well have a line of people pay $2,000+ for Tim Cook to take their money and kick them in the rear while he wears steel-toed boots. If he breaks your coccyx, the sale is considered a success!

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    Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:00 PM

    If Apple decides to ditch expandable Macs completely I'll eat my hat. This rumor sounds like it was written by the guys who said there'd be an Apple-branded TV announced "next week, for sure".

    They could be describing a new tier: either high-end Mac Mini or (branded as a) low-end Mac Pro, but I strongly doubt they'll abandon expandable machines completely.
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    Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:23 PM

    Not passing the smell test.
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    Posted 06 June 2013 - 06:10 AM

    View PostFrost, on 05 June 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

    Not passing the smell test.

    Not surprising, you really should have showered after returning from Nicaragua.
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    Posted 06 June 2013 - 09:04 PM

    Well, either way this is definitely an interesting issue.

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    Posted 07 June 2013 - 07:42 AM

    Who says I've returned? I'm just on Central American wi-fi. Seriously, check dat IP, sucka! I'm returning in a few hours.

    On topic, this would show Tim Cook and crew are radically out of step with the Pro market's needs, which would not be a good thing.
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    Posted 07 June 2013 - 09:42 AM

    View PostFrost, on 07 June 2013 - 07:42 AM, said:

    On topic, this would show Tim Cook and crew are radically out of step with the Pro market's needs, which would not be a good thing.

    Naw, they want to force professionals to work in an iOS like environment ;) So make the machines more and more ready for it.

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    Posted 07 June 2013 - 10:33 AM

    View PostDiablofett, on 05 June 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

    A desktop computer tower without an optical drive and little to no expandability? Yeah, that sounds useful... They might as well have a line of people pay $2,000+ for Tim Cook to take their money and kick them in the rear while he wears steel-toed boots. If he breaks your coccyx, the sale is considered a success!

    :happy: Hee-hee, you said "coccyx".

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    Posted 07 June 2013 - 11:10 AM

    View PostDaveyJJ, on 07 June 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

    :happy: Hee-hee, you said "coccyx".

    Haha! I am glad you liked that!
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    Posted 07 June 2013 - 01:51 PM

    I don't know, but parts of this rumored specs (especially the total lack of internal expansibility) don't match up with other reports that the responsible Apple manager told a worried customer who specifically asked for extra graphics card support and expansibility of memory that he "would be glad" about the upcoming Mac Pro.

    Let's be frank: a "Mac Pro" relying on external Thunderbolt accessories for expansions is basically not expandable at all – due to a lack of suitable Thunderbolt accessories. External Thunderbolt GPUs totally failed to show up and even other Thunderbolt devices are few and far between. Heck, even the bloody Thunderbolt docks that were announced by several companies aren't coming as promised – and that's two and a half years after the first Macs with that interface were released.

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    Posted 07 June 2013 - 05:11 PM

    View PostJanichsan, on 07 June 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

    I don't know, but parts of this rumored specs (especially the total lack of internal expansibility) don't match up with other reports that the responsible Apple manager told a worried customer who specifically asked for extra graphics card support and expansibility of memory that he "would be glad" about the upcoming Mac Pro.

    A few months after having the discussion he suddenly remembers and posts on a forum just in time for WWDC rumor mongering. Whatever he said is crap.

    View PostJanichsan, on 07 June 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

    Heck, even the bloody Thunderbolt docks that were announced by several companies aren't coming as promised – and that's two and a half years after the first Macs with that interface were released.

    http://www.belkin.com/uk/p/P-F4U055

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    Posted 08 June 2013 - 08:49 AM

    View PostHansi, on 07 June 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

    Woah, when did that happen? About a month ago, that specific device was not available yet. Did that single engineer Belkin had working on that thing finally get off his prolonged coffee break?

    Together with the half-assed Matrox dock, that makes two (2) of the five or six Thunderbolt docks that were announced or at least hinted at when Apple released their first TB capable computers...

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    Posted 08 June 2013 - 07:49 PM

    Oh, and external PCIe chassis. It's certainly not preferable to a mini tower, or even an SFF just large enough for a couple CPUs and a PCIe slot. Maybe it even has enough 6- and 8-pin connectors to even run a graphics card that would be worth putting in there! (but not enough PCIe lanes to help you if you're actually pushing it)

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    Posted 09 June 2013 - 04:02 PM

    View PostJanichsan, on 07 June 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

    I don't know, but parts of this rumored specs (especially the total lack of internal expansibility) don't match up with other reports that the responsible Apple manager told a worried customer who specifically asked for extra graphics card support and expansibility of memory that he "would be glad" about the upcoming Mac Pro.


    That matches up perfectly--just look at what they said when asked about a Final Cut Pro update.