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#141 Cougar

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Posted 21 June 2019 - 10:30 AM

USB 4 spec contains thunderbolt 3, so that might improve the cable situation in a few years. Don’t count on it getting any less confusing, though. https://www.pcworld....nderbolt-3.html

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Posted 21 June 2019 - 01:14 PM

View PostCougar, on 21 June 2019 - 10:30 AM, said:

USB 4 spec contains thunderbolt 3, so that might improve the cable situation in a few years. Don't count on it getting any less confusing, though. https://www.pcworld....nderbolt-3.html
I read the article, and now my head hurts. What a mess!

Maybe TB3 would gain critical mass if it were more open, but surely vendors would immediately introduce TB3.1 type A, and TB 3 micro.
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Posted 22 June 2019 - 07:06 AM

WHat ever happened to the "Universal" in usb ....... *glaring at his drawer filled with gobs of cables, all of which are different and for specific devices*

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 07:29 PM

USB C at least seems to be making some headway. Most new laptops, phones, tablets, etc. are USB C and can usually make use of USB C dongles/docks.

For example my Dell USB C dock at work works with my wife's 12" Macbook and the dell usb c dongle's (USB C to HDMI for example) work on my ipad pro for HDMI out.
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Posted 24 June 2019 - 08:17 AM

View PostMatt Diamond, on 20 June 2019 - 07:40 PM, said:

  • The OWC Mercury Quad enclosure's fan is still bothering me. I'm going to return it.

They still haven't fixed that? I thought my fan issues were solely because thunderbolt at the time was a new thing and they hadn't ironed out all the kinks yet.

I have an old Mercery Elite Pro Dual that I got for my 2011 iMac with its thunderbolt 1 ports and had the same problem. Constant fan noice. And I just wanted it to backup my stuff using carbon copy cloner. I ended up buying a plug switch off amazon so that I could just turn the drive off completely when not in use, since my version has no off switch. :glare:

When my iMac died a little over a year ago I wanted to still use that same enclosure with my new iMac, but obviously thunderbolt 1 used a Mini DisplayPort so I would need an adapter, but the Mercery Elite Pro Dual had a few different connection options, including USB 3. So thats how I have it connected now.

The funny thing though is with the drives being connected using USB 3 the fans work as you would expect them to. They spin down and turn off when the computer goes to sleep or when you unmount the drives.

So yeah completely understand why you would return it.

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 11:07 AM

View PostRGoulder, on 24 June 2019 - 08:17 AM, said:

They still haven't fixed that? [..] I have an old Mercery Elite Pro Dual that I got for my 2011 iMac with its thunderbolt 1 ports and had the same problem. Constant fan noise.
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The funny thing though is with the drives being connected using USB 3 the fans work as you would expect them to. They spin down and turn off when the computer goes to sleep or when you unmount the drives.

Wow. I would not have guessed.

I still think this enclosure is a bargain for $200, if you can tolerate the noise (and for all I know other quad enclosures may be similarly noisy while awake.) It might be particularly well-suited for a 24/7 media server.

Without the quad enclosure my Mini + eGPU is extremely quiet. (Much quieter than my 2008 Mac Pro w/GTX 680.) I can make do with a pair of single-drive enclosures instead.
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Posted 04 July 2019 - 09:26 PM

This should be the last post for a while about my new Mini. (Questions welcome of course.)

I'm still happy with it, especially now that I've tucked the wires away. I have only two issues, both fairly minor.

First is that when I manually sleep it I have to do it twice - first time it wakes up immediately, the second time always works. Some kind of timing issue with a peripheral I guess. I'm not too bothered as long as it doesn't continually wake up during the night (and I don't think it does.)

Second issue: my two USB C external drives don't mount if they are on and connected before I boot the Mac! I have to pull their USB cord out for a moment, or power cycle them. (Note they work fine when the Mac wakes from sleep.)

Again I can live with this, but it's strange. I'd prefer not to have to teach the family how to get the music or photo libraries back after the Mac is power cycled. I plan to try some experiments (e.g. other enclosures; see if the unmounted drives are visible in Disk Utility). But if anyone recognizes this behavior I'd like to hear about it.
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Posted 05 July 2019 - 04:59 AM

View PostMatt Diamond, on 04 July 2019 - 09:26 PM, said:

First is that when I manually sleep it I have to do it twice - first time it wakes up immediately, the second time always works. Some kind of timing issue with a peripheral I guess. I'm not too bothered as long as it doesn't continually wake up during the night (and I don't think it does.)
This issue was more serious than I thought. If I didn't sleep it in quick succession it didn't work. This prevented the Mac from putting itself to sleep!

Doing without my USB hub fixed the problem though. And I suspect powering the hub from the wall might also have worked (I will try this at some point.) Not ideal but at least it's solved.
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Posted 12 September 2019 - 01:13 AM

So Matt, how is your Mac Mini gaming setup holding up? Are you satisfied with it?

My 2011 iMacs GPU failed again the other day. It held 23 months on the first GPU baking, but just 6 months on the second one. I've now baked it a third time, and took the opportunity to put new thermal paste on the CPU at the same time (Highly needed I saw, the original stuff was just HARD). Haven't had the time to turn it back on again, but even it it works, it is likely just time before it fails completely now. :( So I will be considering a new gaming setup soon.

Hackintosh, Mac Mini, iMac. What to do, what to do... With all thosen free Epic Windows games being thrown at us, I am really considering a Hackintosh again now.

At least I will likely buy a ~30" widescreen for my '16 Macbook, if it can drive one properly, just so I can do some work on a big screen, and then wait out a few years until Apple provides me with a cheap xMac... Then I can use that screen for my gaming setup, if I ever get one. Or buy a Nintendo Switch instead.. Of course, that will be just as expensive as I have a 40+ games wishlist for that one already. :P
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Posted 12 September 2019 - 06:43 AM

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 12 September 2019 - 01:13 AM, said:

With all thosen free Epic Windows games being thrown at us, I am really considering a Hackintosh again now.



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Posted 12 September 2019 - 06:50 AM

Sadly, while I think there will be a lower-priced Mac Pro, it'll still be at least $3.5K and have features most of us don't need. I'd be surprised if an xMac comes out in the next few years. And if it does, transitioning from my setup to xMac would be straightforward-- put everything inside the xMac and sell the eGPU to someone who wants to game on a MacBook.

I'm still happy with the Mini + eGPU. FWIW my two remaining issues are:
  • It doesn't always sleep the first time, which is probably the fault of one of the peripherals but I haven't tracked that down. The problem seems to happen less often now, oddly enough.
  • As related earlier, my stupid HD enclosures need to start up after the Mini to mount. And I returned an earlier enclosure for being too noisy. But if you are moving from an iMac then you probably already have decent external peripherals (aside from eGPU).
There are occasionally Windows games I'd like to play, but I have more than enough Mac games to go on, plus there's always the console option. I haven't even bothered setting up Boot Camp on the Mini; I realized that it's been years since I booted to Windows, even though I had some good games already installed and waiting.
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Posted 12 September 2019 - 08:00 AM

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 12 September 2019 - 01:13 AM, said:


Hackintosh, Mac Mini, iMac. What to do, what to do... With all thosen free Epic Windows games being thrown at us, I am really considering a Hackintosh again now.


Hackintoshes are a world of hurt. The Xmac will never arrive.

If your 2016 MacBook is fast enough for everything else besides gaming, IMO a gaming PC + MB is the best option. Using the best tools for the job.

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 08:44 AM

View PostMatt Diamond, on 12 September 2019 - 06:50 AM, said:

Sadly, while I think there will be a lower-priced Mac Pro, it'll still be at least $3.5K and have features most of us don't need.

So Mac Pro is for Pros, got it.

View PostCougar, on 12 September 2019 - 08:00 AM, said:

Hackintoshes are a world of hurt. The Xmac will never arrive.

IMO a gaming PC + MB is the best option.

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 08:49 AM

View PostCougar, on 12 September 2019 - 08:00 AM, said:



Hackintoshes are a world of hurt. The Xmac will never arrive.
Stop telling me the truth. It makes me sad!

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If your 2016 MacBook is fast enough for everything else besides gaming, IMO a gaming PC + MB is the best option. Using the best tools for the job.
Well, it runs everything for sure, but it dont want to do Handbrake encodes on it, and Photoshop is quite slow. And I want to stay with macOS, so I need something else.

But thanks, Hackintosh is out.

And while a 2020 Mac Mini would be a logical choice in that case, it would kill off all my 32 bit games... sigh. Life is hard. :(
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Posted 12 September 2019 - 09:45 AM

Photoshop is “quite slow” on a 2016? New Minis aren’t that much better...

What if you sold your MacBook Pro and upgraded next year when they’ve fixed the keyboard, AND built a gaming PC?  All those “32 bit” games will run on the PC!

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 10:31 AM

View PostCougar, on 12 September 2019 - 09:45 AM, said:

Photoshop is "quite slow" on a 2016? New Minis aren't that much better...

The m3 was known for sipping power usage not CPU cycles. There is a serious performance delta between the M3-6Y30 and even the base i3-8100 in a 2018 mini.

https://browser.geek...seline=14582257

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And while a 2020 Mac Mini would be a logical choice in that case, it would kill off all my 32 bit games... sigh. Life is hard. :(

Just keep a USB drive on the side with 10.14 installed.
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Posted 12 September 2019 - 11:12 AM

View Postmacdude22, on 12 September 2019 - 10:31 AM, said:


Just keep a USB drive on the side with 10.14 installed.

You can't run an OS older than what was originally shipped on the Mac.

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 10:09 PM

I thought we were talking about 2018 mini's. You are fok'd on a future 2020 mini and 32-bit apps. I do not have any worries with my collection of Macs lol.
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Posted 13 September 2019 - 01:40 PM

View PostMatt Diamond, on 12 September 2019 - 06:50 AM, said:

Sadly, while I think there will be a lower-priced Mac Pro, it'll still be at least $3.5K and have features most of us don't need.

View Postmacdude22, on 12 September 2019 - 08:44 AM, said:

So Mac Pro is for Pros, got it.
Now you are just being difficult. You know as well as I do that Apple used to sell Mac Pros for under $3K. And that not all "pros" need features like Afterburner or Secure Enclave.
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Posted 13 September 2019 - 03:03 PM

Buy a surface tablet then. When did IMG become a wasteland of whiney old goats?
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