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#1 Sneaky Snake

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 08:08 PM

Apple previewed macOS 10.13 today called High Sierra. Release in the fall.

Major updates:
  • Apple File System (APFS) replacing HFS
  • Software support for HEVC, and hardware optimized HEVC in newer Mac's (late 2015 and newer)
  • Updated graphics API: Metal 2
  • Various updates to Apple applications such as Photos and Safari
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Posted 05 June 2017 - 11:01 PM

View PostSneaky Snake, on 05 June 2017 - 08:08 PM, said:

Apple File System (APFS) replacing HFS

I wonder if there will be a way to easily convert existing HFS+ partitions, or if a tedious backup/format/restore process will be necessary.

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Posted 06 June 2017 - 12:25 AM

View PostCamper-Hunter, on 05 June 2017 - 11:01 PM, said:

I wonder if there will be a way to easily convert existing HFS+ partitions, or if a tedious backup/format/restore process will be necessary.
I assume there will be an easy process, as they could do it on the fly for iOS10.
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Posted 06 June 2017 - 07:29 AM

View PostCamper-Hunter, on 05 June 2017 - 11:01 PM, said:

I wonder if there will be a way to easily convert existing HFS+ partitions, or if a tedious backup/format/restore process will be necessary.

I can't break NDA but imagine there is not not an in place conversion and you wouldn't be wrong. :teehee:
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Posted 06 June 2017 - 07:46 AM

View PostCamper-Hunter, on 05 June 2017 - 11:01 PM, said:

I wonder if there will be a way to easily convert existing HFS+ partitions, or if a tedious backup/format/restore process will be necessary.

I was wondering this as well. tvOS and iOS devices were able to be converted without issue to APFS so the technology is definitely there to try the conversion. On the other hand, computers are vastly more complicated than both tvOS and iOS, and even more so if people are using multiple partitions (Bootcamp for example).

Definitely backup before updating to 10.13 regardless.
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Posted 06 June 2017 - 08:51 AM

Metal 2, SteamVR, Vive VR support, plug-and-play e-GPU support, AR Kit:

This could very well be the best DubDub for gamers ever!

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And the best part of course, is that High Sierra is fully baked! :)
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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:19 PM

Any heard if bootcamp drivers get APFS support? If High Sierra converts drive to APFS, then when one boots into bootcamp, can they read or write that Mac partition?

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 07:03 PM

View PostSpike, on 17 June 2017 - 03:19 PM, said:

Any heard if bootcamp drivers get APFS support? If High Sierra converts drive to APFS, then when one boots into bootcamp, can they read or write that Mac partition?
Apple currently doesn't even provide HFS+ drivers for Bootcamp, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:55 AM

View PostJanichsan, on 17 June 2017 - 07:03 PM, said:

Apple currently doesn't even provide HFS+ drivers for Bootcamp, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

Thats strange. I have had read access to my HFS+ partition ever since Bootcamp version 3 (in 10.6) and have never installed any other drivers. I also have file C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\AppleHFS.sys.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 01:58 AM

View PostSpike, on 18 June 2017 - 12:55 AM, said:

Thats strange. I have had read access to my HFS+ partition ever since Bootcamp version 3 (in 10.6) and have never installed any other drivers. I also have file C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\AppleHFS.sys.
Note that I said "currently". If your Bootcamp installation is a couple of years old, you'll probably still have the HFS+ driver as leftover. But Apple no longer provides these drivers as part of their current Bootcamp package, at least since the the version that came with El Capitan.

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 10:18 PM

Think I got confirmation of my answer. According to Apple support document, bootcamp wont support read/write to APFS volumes in High Sierra.

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"Boot Camp doesn't support Read/Write to APFS-formatted Mac volumes."


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 03:21 AM

Well, that is easy enough to get around via your favorite cloud storage service isn't it? Maybe I am not thinking of something but the only data sharing I ever did was some documents and they were in the cloud for access anywhere anyway. iCloud is easy enough to access in Windows or OneDrive works in both environments along with iOS in both cases too. This would have mattered more to me in the past but since I went all cloud for any important data I tend to fetch it from there. Most everyday apps already use cloud storage at this point anyway so what OS you are on isn't that important anymore is it? Maybe there are important cases I am just not thinking of.
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Posted 08 September 2017 - 05:00 PM

Maybe it will fix the bug that Sierra introduced that prevents me from moving things in the Dock.

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 12:47 AM

View PostTetsuya, on 08 September 2017 - 05:00 PM, said:

Maybe it will fix the bug that Sierra introduced that prevents me from moving things in the Dock.
Just make sure it isn't just a rookie thing - You do know that you can only put apps on the left side of divider, and everything else on the right side of the divider? Unless you actually mean moving things around.. In that case... Reset your Dock preferences perhaps?
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Posted 09 September 2017 - 04:39 PM

View PostTetsuya, on 08 September 2017 - 05:00 PM, said:

Maybe it will fix the bug that Sierra introduced that prevents me from moving things in the Dock.

Echoing what Thain said, that sounds like a major issue that would warrant a reinstall. There's probably something screwy going on with your permissions.

The only bug I see on a daily basis that I want fixed is the Dashboard TouchBar button doesn't dismiss the dashboard. Been there since 12.0. Maybe Apple doesn't feel like it's worth it to fix because Dashboard will get the axe in 13.0.

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 06:18 AM

You cant move anything in the Dock when this happens.  There's a 200+ page thread over at Apple about it, and it's been happening to people since 10.10, seemingly randomly.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 04:22 AM

View PostTetsuya, on 10 September 2017 - 06:18 AM, said:

You cant move anything in the Dock when this happens.  There's a 200+ page thread over at Apple about it, and it's been happening to people since 10.10, seemingly randomly.

That is a bug I saw as well and found more than a little annoying. I recall trying various remedies for it but I don't recall if I overcame it somehow prior to selling my iMac or not. At first I thought it was me or my system or whatever but I also read about other people seeing the same issue at the time. I imagine it is some kind of configuration problem if it does not affect everyone but ultimately when a lot of people are affected by something there is a bug somewhere to blame for it in a certain set of circumstances that can be difficult to reproduce and thus lengthy delays in seeing something get fixed. Then of course there is the entire issue of total users affected vs other bugs when it comes to the setting of priorities.
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Posted 29 September 2017 - 11:26 AM

Just saw this regarding Unity and APFS. http://appleinsider....lization-v-more

Indie Unity games are pretty much all I play on MacOS these days. Havenít upgraded yet. Was going to wait until .1 but may wait even longer now.

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 01:05 PM

I completely forgot to download sierra from the appstore, now 10.11 and 12 are gone. I thought about making a partition on another external drive, has anyone had experiences using 10.13, or is it plagued with bugs and incompatibility issues?

Curious about feedback from people on this forum.
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Posted 29 September 2017 - 01:41 PM

View PostIchigo27, on 29 September 2017 - 01:05 PM, said:

I completely forgot to download sierra from the appstore, now 10.11 and 12 are gone. I thought about making a partition on another external drive, has anyone had experiences using 10.13, or is it plagued with bugs and incompatibility issues?

Curious about feedback from people on this forum.

You can still download 10.11 via this link: https://support.appl.../en-us/HT206886

Haven't downloaded it myself, but I've been following the High Sierra Macrumors forum pretty closely. There are enough scary things there to make me stay away for now, though you don't hear from the satisfied customers. There's a compatibility thread there and it doesn't sound like it's a big issue (but see above regarding Unity games).