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#41 Homy

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Posted 14 November 2020 - 03:05 PM

View Postjeannot, on 14 November 2020 - 02:32 PM, said:

And in graphic (not compute) tasks, the M1 could be on par with the Radeon Pro 570X(and way ahead of the 560X).
There are reasons for that, as the TBDR architecture of the M1 (for which Metal has been tailored) benefits graphics more than it benefits compute. Also, Apple GPUs can use 16-bit numbers in shaders, to boost efficiency, which PC GPUs can't.

That's great! I read 16-bit AND 32-bit numbers for precision, not one or the other. I suspected that since it can render more pixels/s:

M1 41 GPixel/s, 82 GTexel/s
Pro 560X 16.06 GPixel/s, 64.26 GTexel/s
Pro 570X 35.36 GPixels/s, 123.8 GTexel/s
Pro 580X 38.4 GPixels/s, 172.8 GTexel/s
Pro 5300 52.8 GPixels/s, 132 GTexel/s
Pro 5500 XT 56.22 GPixels/s, 168.7 GTexel/s
Pro 5700 86.4 GPixels/s, 194.4 GTexel/s
Pro 5700 95.94 GPixels/s, 239.8 GTexel/s

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Posted 17 November 2020 - 09:02 AM

Reviews are out:


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Posted 17 November 2020 - 09:46 AM

Very interesting, and impressive. CPU is insanely fast. GPU is certainly way better than previous integrated GPUs, but can't touch discrete ones. Hopefully they have some seriously better GPUs coming down the pipe or will go back to having AMD discrete GPUs and allowing eGPUs once AMD drivers are written for ARM.

In that video benchmark he got 17 FPS at 1440p High settings in Shadow of the Tomb Raider. The MacBook Pro 13" Intel got 10 FPS, and the MacBook Pro 16" with AMD 5600M got 56 FPS. On my 2018 13" MBP i7 with Vega 56 eGPU I got 52 FPS at those same settings. Now it's running emulated since Shadow of the Tomb Raider isn't native, but still, I doubt a native version gets more than 20-22 FPS out of the GPU.

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Posted 17 November 2020 - 10:24 AM

In short, 17fps is not enjoyable... it's 1440p. so what if 1080p, what if feral makes a native app and not jut tell us that rosetta2 is good... in short: this sucks.
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Posted 17 November 2020 - 10:37 AM

Here are some other graphics benchmarks from Anandtech. They showed that Rosetta was a minimal hit in the graphics tests they have that run in both x86 and ARM. And in all their CPU SPEC benchmarks Rosetta seemed to operate at ~70-80% of native ARM code, which honestly means it's still on par or faster than a lot of Intel Macs shipping today for CPU performance. Their Rise of the Tomb Raider benchmarks had it as ~30% faster than a 2017 15" MBP with a Radeon 560 but slower than a 1650 or 1660Ti discrete graphics chip in Windows laptops.

So I think net-net we are seeing performance that is way better than any previous integrated graphics, on-par with 2-3 year old discrete graphics, but behind the latest discrete graphics and way behind the latest desktop/eGPU graphics. So hopefully they can step up their game for their next Pro machines and desktop machines, or re-integrate eGPUs into the mix.

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Posted 17 November 2020 - 11:12 AM

The Metal scores for Mac mini (23155) are better than Radeon RX 560 (21336), Vega 16 (21485) and GTX 980 (21820) and right behind Radeon Pro 5300M (24346) and Vega 20 (24528).

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Posted 17 November 2020 - 11:21 AM

I really, really, REALLY look forward to seeing what Apple can dish out with, when they add more CPU and GPU cores for the Mac Pro,

Also, should I pick up a gen. 1 M1 machine, or wait for M2? Will Apple keep up the insane speed increases every year from now on? Will Gen. 2 be much better, as they usually are from Apple?
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Posted 17 November 2020 - 12:19 PM

wait! https://youtu.be/xSRI2_z-QwE?t=415
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Posted 17 November 2020 - 12:27 PM

View Postdr.zeissler, on 17 November 2020 - 10:24 AM, said:

In short, 17fps is not enjoyable... it's 1440p. so what if 1080p, what if feral makes a native app and not jut tell us that rosetta2 is good... in short: this sucks.

17 fps at 1440p/high settings in a very modern AAA game is quite impressive for an integrated GPU, but also something that I expect almost no one with an integrated GPU will be doing.

I would be interested to see more popular titles like civilization, WoW, League of Legends, etc.- things were maybe playable on intel integrated graphics but will now run at a solid 60 fps at medium/high settings 1080p on the M1.

WoW got updated to support Apple Silicon natively.

The performance results for Final Cut and Xcode are amazing. The M1 Macs seem to be close to my 16" MBP in Final Cut (10 min export of 5K video), and on par with an 8 core iMac Pro in Xcode. A performance upgrade that truly seems to good to be true. The "asterisk" I suppose is that those are native Apple apps which will have the maximum amount of optimization.
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Posted 17 November 2020 - 02:19 PM

View Postozzy, on 17 November 2020 - 09:46 AM, said:

In that video benchmark he got 17 FPS at 1440p High settings in Shadow of the Tomb Raider. The MacBook Pro 13" Intel got 10 FPS...
I'm not sure how they conducted that test, but the M1 should absolutely crush the intel Iris. It should be about 3X faster, as Apple themselves reported on that game. Anandtech showed that RoTR ran 3x faster on the M1 than on whatever intel Iris is used in the core i7 1065G7 (on Windows).

But 1440p high? Who in their right mind plays this game at those settings on integrated graphics? :huh:  I don't even push the setting this high on my iMac with radeon Pro 580.

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Posted 17 November 2020 - 06:53 PM

View PostSneaky Snake, on 17 November 2020 - 12:27 PM, said:

I would be interested to see more popular titles like League of Legends, etc.- things were maybe playable on intel integrated graphics but will now run at a solid 60 fps at medium/high settings 1080p on the M1.

League of Legends on MBA through Rosetta
2560x1600 Very High 50-60 fps

Max Tech said that the game was glitchy with dropped frames on a MBP 2018 Radeon Pro 555X.

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Posted 17 November 2020 - 08:27 PM

Incidentally, I know it's fairly irrelevant this days, but out of interest is there any word on what the clock speed(s) of these chips are?

Apple simply lists the part in 13" MBP as being "8-core CPU with 4 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores"
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Posted 18 November 2020 - 12:06 AM

Is there something less than meaningless because that's what clock speed is in 2020. GeekBench lists it at 3.2Ghz. The pentium IV had a 3.8ghz part. Which would you rather have? Some would argue IPC is a better measure of raw speed but honestly I think in 2020 you've really got to look at workflow specific benchmarks. What are YOU trying to do and how fast is a given system or platform doing it for you. We still buy dulls with spinning rust (and Mac's until very recently). It doesn't matter how fast the CPU, Memory, or Graphics are bolted to a 5400 rpm spinny disk.
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Posted 18 November 2020 - 12:14 AM

around 3 to 3,2ghz
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Posted 18 November 2020 - 12:39 AM

Loads of games tested here on a Mini: https://www.reddit.c...i_with_8gb_ram/
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Posted 18 November 2020 - 07:15 AM

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Posted 18 November 2020 - 10:48 AM

Someone started to compile a list of benchmarks they have found thus far: https://preview.redd...to=webp869a50e6

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Posted 18 November 2020 - 10:57 AM

View Postmacdude22, on 18 November 2020 - 12:06 AM, said:

Is there something less than meaningless because that's what clock speed is in 2020.

I agree, and yet we still all put these numbers in our sigs. It's a form of separation anxiety, I suppose.
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Posted 18 November 2020 - 11:30 AM

Maybe we should start putting GeekBench #s in the sigs.
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Posted 18 November 2020 - 12:39 PM

Someone is compiling a list of games and how they perform on Apple Silicon.

View Postozzy, on 18 November 2020 - 10:48 AM, said:

Someone started to compile a list of benchmarks they have found thus far: https://preview.redd...to=webp869a50e6

Link doesn't work for me. Says "forbidden."