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#1 Cougar

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 02:02 PM

Surprise. Given the no WWDC news I'd figured that would be it until the Fall. I guess these would have been too embarrassing to announce on stage.

-Same popsnizzlety keyboard. It might be fixed, but they're not saying so probably not.
-Same port layout (which I'm fine with, BTW. But Apple, just put a card reader in there for the photography people.)
-Useless TouchBar is still not optional, but hey, it's now got a T2 chip, so you can shout at Siri not working from across the room
-True Tone display, but same popsnizzlety resolution...so the default scaled setting makes your display blurry like a layer of Vaseline
-New leather sleeves. Now you can put your laptop inside an overpriced bit of dead cow! Sexy.

Most of this is snark. I love my 2016 (and its keyboard is fine, knock on...aluminum). I would have liked something major, but I'm just glad Apple is upgrading these yearly now. (I guess my standards have fallen). I'll be happy to get four cores, which games still won't properly utilize, in the 13" when I upgrade in a few years.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 02:46 PM

I like the internals, and going 6 core and 32GB of RAM and a 4TB SSD finally makes it a viable modern desktop replacement for a mobile professional again as it was years ago.

The frak is this popsnizzlety keyboard that's disabled by dust still being on it and no magsafe ports again though? This is supposed to be a computer for professionals. If it's for a professional who is almost purely desk jockey, just give them a freaking tower or a Mac mini. Portables need to be geared toward people who use them portably.
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:24 PM

I agree the internals are nice, but maxed out as in Frost's description we're talking about a laptop costing over 6K. And the internal GPU is still mediocre. Not very excited (yet) about an eGPU that can't be used with Boot Camp.
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Posted 13 July 2018 - 12:16 AM

The keyboard is now uses a 3. generation butterfly mechanic. But... It is only enhanced to attenuate the click sound.
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Posted 13 July 2018 - 01:48 AM

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 13 July 2018 - 12:16 AM, said:

The keyboard is now uses a 3. generation butterfly mechanic. But... It is only enhanced to attenuate the click sound.

That's all they will say, at least. Gruber thinks that they wouldn't admit to a fix, especially for legal reasons because of the multiple lawsuits. I'm not sure I agree, as they already admitted to faults with the repair program. We'll have to see if the reports of killer dust continue. This ridiculous support article still implies it affects the new models.

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 02:55 PM

View PostCougar, on 13 July 2018 - 01:48 AM, said:

That's all they will say, at least. Gruber thinks that they wouldn't admit to a fix, especially for legal reasons because of the multiple lawsuits. I'm not sure I agree, as they already admitted to faults with the repair program. We'll have to see if the reports of killer dust continue. This ridiculous support article still implies it affects the new models.

Or you could, you know, make the computer about 0.2mm thicker and have a keyboard that functions reliably like the old ones did. Just sayin', Apple.

My MBP actually sees a fair amount of outside use. Never caused a key problem in its life yet, and I KNOW it's gotten loads of dust under the keys at times because I've blown it out. I'd hate to see how many top case replacements I'd go through with one of the new MBPs.

Especially after having to drop $6K on it.
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Posted 13 July 2018 - 05:47 PM

Yes, I still don’t understand why they didn’t just put the magic keyboard in the MBP. It has more travel and no reliability issues. Keep the thin keyboard for the thin MacBook.

Edit: this is interesting: https://www.theverge...esistant-ifixit

I wonder if they will replace broken 2016/2017 keyboards with this.

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 06:48 AM

View PostCougar, on 13 July 2018 - 05:47 PM, said:

Yes, I still don't understand why they didn't just put the magic keyboard in the MBP. It has more travel and no reliability issues. Keep the thin keyboard for the thin MacBook.

Edit: this is interesting: https://www.theverge...esistant-ifixit

I wonder if they will replace broken 2016/2017 keyboards with this.
I can let you know in a few months when I have to time to get my '16 MB keyboard fixed for the third time.
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Posted 15 July 2018 - 09:08 AM

Yeah, my 17" MacBookPro8,3 .. still going strong, no issues, hell, even runs faster with 10.6.8 on it than my newer piece of popsnizzle 15" retina garbage mbp with 10.13 on it.

Still waiting for a new MBP that isn't garbage.

Still.

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Posted 15 July 2018 - 09:34 AM

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 14 July 2018 - 06:48 AM, said:

I can let you know in a few months when I have to time to get my '16 MB keyboard fixed for the third time.

Third time? Gosh. By all accounts my keyboard should be a broken mess considering all the times my cat walks across it, but I guess I've been lucky.

On the latest ATP they said they've received reports from users who have had their MBPs serviced recently that this is indeed the case already.

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Posted 15 July 2018 - 12:10 PM

Apparently the new gen3 keyboard has some sort of membrane in it that prevents dust from getting into the keys. Apple didn't advertise that though, since that would be implying that dust was a problem for previous generations.

My brother has had his keyboard replaced twice on his 2016 13" touchbar MBP. He works as a biologist inside 99% of the time. I asked him if he would go back to his old 2013 rMBP if he could (it got stolen) and he told me he would in a heartbeat.
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Posted 15 July 2018 - 05:38 PM

View PostCougar, on 15 July 2018 - 09:34 AM, said:



On the latest ATP they said they've received reports from users who have had their MBPs serviced recently that this is indeed the case already.

Hmm maybe not: https://www.macrumor...18-macbook-pro/

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Posted 16 July 2018 - 09:23 AM

View PostFrigidman™, on 15 July 2018 - 09:08 AM, said:

Yeah, my 17" MacBookPro8,3 .. still going strong, no issues, hell, even runs faster with 10.6.8 on it than my newer piece of popsnizzle 15" retina garbage mbp with 10.13 on it.

Still waiting for a new MBP that isn't garbage.

Still.

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Posted 16 July 2018 - 12:08 PM

I am debating getting a 13" model to replace my mid-2012 15" MBP. I was just looking at Geekbench scores and found this comparison a bit remarkable.

I had a mid-2009 2.8Ghz 15" MBP, then upgraded to the mid-2012 15" 2.6Ghz Retina MBP. The difference in Geekbench performance from 2009-2012 (3 years) was 95% increase in single core score and 273% increase in multi-core score. The difference in Geekbench performance from 2012-2018 (6 years) top of the line 2.9Ghz 15" model is 51% increase in single core score and 99%. Further proof that the mid-2012 Retina MBP is one of the best ever. Also looks like leaps forward in processor tech are slowing down.

For reference, the one I am considering is the 2.7Ghz i9 13", which is a 47% increase in single core and 57% increase in multi-core over my mid-2012 Retina MBP.

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Posted 16 July 2018 - 12:35 PM

Processor advances are slowing down (Intel is having trouble with the next smaller nanometer revision, I think), but this is still a nice bump. 13" have been dual core since forever--core counts don't increase every day. And I think this is the biggest yearly jump since like 2011.

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Posted 16 July 2018 - 03:15 PM

Oh, I definitely agree. This is by far the best bump in years and years. I was just trying to compare it to the jump when I went from 2009 to 2012 (which was night and day, a lot due to the SSD) and realized just how great that 2012 model was.

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Posted 18 July 2018 - 12:47 AM

Video raises concerns about excessive thermal throttling on 2018 MacBook Pro w/ Intel Core i9: product marketing scores again against engineering.

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Posted 18 July 2018 - 03:04 AM

View PostCamper-Hunter, on 18 July 2018 - 12:47 AM, said:

To be fair, it seems that this is a problem that *all* laptops with the 6-core i9 appear to have. For instance, the same YewToober (I hate this word) reported the same problem with the Dell X15 with the same CPU.

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Posted 18 July 2018 - 12:28 PM

View PostJanichsan, on 18 July 2018 - 03:04 AM, said:

To be fair, it seems that this is a problem that *all* laptops with the 6-core i9 appear to have. For instance, the same YewToober (I hate this word) reported the same problem with the Dell X15 with the same CPU.

Still Apple's fault. If the thing is getting worse performance than an i7 for intensive tasks over five minutes, then what was the point of releasing it?

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Posted 18 July 2018 - 02:52 PM

The core i9 CPU's may really only be meant for more fat design laptops with real heat pipes and fans. Huge shame that apple released the product this way though. R/apple on reddit has another source showing equally dire things for the Core i9 laptop. It lost to the 2017 i7 model due to throttling itself too much.

Hopefully apple releases an update for the 2018 MBP that spins up the fans faster and/or runs them at higher rpm's in order to keep temps a bit lower. Dell's business laptop have a Power Manager app that lets you choose your thermal/noise settings (can choose to throttle your laptop to get quieter fans, or the opposite) - really hope that Apple decides to go that route as well (not holding my breath though).
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