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#41 mattw

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 05:36 AM

IMHO this Vulcan announcement may or may not help but Metal and the number of quality triple A titles coming - especially from Feral these days is probably as good as we have ever seen.

The hardware situation remains uncertain due to the push for thin and long waits between revisions. The option of external GPUs may help overcome this to some degree.

Unknown is the effect of the 32-bit purge - will titles get patched or will work arounds appear? It may also kill off WINE on Macs which removes a way of getting access to many classics.

Both consoles have recent updates so should present a reasonably static target hardware level for game developers today so Macs that can offer this level of gaming performance should be OK for a while I would guess. Also the currency miners have put GPU upgrades out of reach for many average PC gamers so the rate of progress there may be slower until (or even if) this can be resolved.
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Posted 28 February 2018 - 05:59 AM

View Postmattw, on 28 February 2018 - 05:36 AM, said:

Unknown is the effect of the 32-bit purge - will titles get patched or will work arounds appear? It may also kill off WINE on Macs which removes a way of getting access to many classics.
There already is a 64 bit version of Wine.

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:18 AM

View PostG_Player, on 28 February 2018 - 02:22 AM, said:

So, gentlemen, given that Metal2 has been out for a bit and now there are Metal "backends", since I know next to nothing about programming, how would you rate the current state of (and future) of Mac gaming?

Is there more hope now?
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Posted 28 February 2018 - 10:33 AM

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 28 February 2018 - 09:18 AM, said:

Unchanged, as the current state of MoltenVK is not in a shape where AAA games will use it.

So DOTA 2 (and more coming) is not a AAA game?

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 10:34 AM

View PostSpike, on 28 February 2018 - 10:33 AM, said:

So DOTA 2 (and more coming) is not a AAA game?
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Posted 28 February 2018 - 12:12 PM

Dota 2 is pretty basic in the graphics department.

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 12:13 PM

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View PostJanichsan, on 28 February 2018 - 05:59 AM, said:

There already is a 64 bit version of Wine.

Yes there are betas etc. but the last point they note is the problem:

"Current Wine includes support for 64 bit Wine on Mac OS X; however, this has not been tested very much, and some applications may never work due to an ABI incompatibility between Win64 and OS X".
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Posted 01 March 2018 - 01:17 AM

View PostSpike, on 28 February 2018 - 10:33 AM, said:

So DOTA 2 (and more coming) is not a AAA game?
I do consider it an AAA game, but as other mention, it is pretty basic in the graphics department, even though it looks good as such.

But the main point here is more that MoltenVK is not supporting the full set of Vulkan features, making it unuseable for many modern AAA games.
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