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[the Battle Cat]

Diablofett, on 27 November 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

I recently read that people are using the live webcam feature to pose naked for all to see. I am happy to keep using my PS2 and GC, that never happens on them.

Sounds odd but not if you know what the PS4 is actually doing.  Sony has finally listened to, and responded to, the most common complaint that the Play Station gets:  guy gamers pretending to be girl gamers.  Problem solved with the low radiation narrow field ambient X-ray cam.  It's the future so you should just learn to live with it.

[Frost]

No matter how high tech your hardware, the tongue-on-cold-objects crowd will find new and inventive ways to involve their genitalia in it.

[Diablofett]

the Battle Cat, on 27 November 2013 - 09:15 AM, said:

Sounds odd but not if you know what the PS4 is actually doing.  Sony has finally listened to, and responded to, the most common complaint that the Play Station gets:  guy gamers pretending to be girl gamers.  Problem solved with the low radiation narrow field ambient X-ray cam.  It's the future so you should just learn to live with it.

Well, I do not have to worry about it since I do not have a PS4. But how will it affect you? I mean, pretending to be a girl online is one of your favorite hobbies, correct?

[the Battle Cat]

Incorrect, I pretend to be a cat but I don't have a PS4 so my secret is safe.

[Tibur]

Not sure if pretending to be a girl cat online is any less disturbing than pretending to be a (human) girl online, but whatever.

[the Battle Cat]

Now I don't judge you from that whole ... incident  ... with "Pia Zadora" and the potato on iChat.  So give me a little breathing room here Tibur.

[Tesseract]

Frost, on 27 November 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

No matter how high tech your hardware, the tongue-on-cold-objects crowd will find new and inventive ways to involve their genitalia in it.

Nintendo recently turned off SpotPass support in their Nintendo Letter Box service on the 3DS because people were using it to exchange "offensive material", which I assume means stereoscopic pictures of their junk.

[Sneaky Snake]

Tesseract, on 03 December 2013 - 04:52 AM, said:

Nintendo recently turned off SpotPass support in their Nintendo Letter Box service on the 3DS because people were using it to exchange "offensive material", which I assume means stereoscopic pictures of their junk.

It's always a shame when companies do this. Like you're never going to stop this kind of stuff from happening, so don't punish your entire user base because there's a few people out there trolling with pictures of their junk.

[Diablofett]

Sneaky Snake, on 03 December 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

It's always a shame when companies do this. Like you're never going to stop this kind of stuff from happening, so don't punish your entire user base because there's a few people out there trolling with pictures of their junk.

True, but seeing the Battle Cat in ill-fitting women's lingerie and feline-esque makeup could easily traumatize a child for life.

[the Battle Cat]

Don't worry about it.  I have my junk dressed in a harmless Barney costume complete with googly eyes.

[Frost]

PlayStation 4 to get PS1 and PS2 Emulators

Well, this is interesting. No word from on high as yet, but sounds like at rollout PS Now will only do PS3 games, and they're looking at local emulation for PS1 and PS2. Don't really care about PS Now since I have no desire to play PS3 games with horrendous input lag, but PS1/PS2 local HD emulation alongside Sony confirming music and DLNA support are coming back suddenly makes the PS4 a lot more compelling.

I'm inclined to believe it since about a couple years ago Sony went on a hiring spree for emulation programmers. People thought it was bringing PS2 emulation to the PS3, but I bet it's this.

[Sneaky Snake]

I got TR:DE today. The graphics are nicer then what I played it at on PC: High Settings, 4x AA, 1080p, No TressFX. So I'd guess it's roughly on par with ultra settings on PC.

[Frost]

I saw a comparison video and it does look really close to TR running on my Titan. Doesn't have quite as insane a level of anti-aliasing and other after effects, but unless you're really looking, you mostly can't tell. And they got it running in 1080p at 60 fps. Considering a PS4 is a little more than half the price of a 780 Ti, that is super impressive. It certainly destroys the visuals of TR when I first played it on my PS3.

[Sneaky Snake]

Frost, on 30 January 2014 - 09:34 PM, said:

I saw a comparison video and it does look really close to TR running on my Titan. Doesn't have quite as insane a level of anti-aliasing and other after effects, but unless you're really looking, you mostly can't tell. And they got it running in 1080p at 60 fps. Considering a PS4 is a little more than half the price of a 780 Ti, that is super impressive. It certainly destroys the visuals of TR when I first played it on my PS3.

To be fair, pretty much any video comparisons trying to display small differences in graphics are going to be pretty much useless. An HD YouTube vid of TR:DE is going to be a compressed 1080p vid at 30 fps, so it will look much worse then it would playing natively on the PS4. A lof of reviewers said that TR:DE looked better then the PC version. I personally really doubt that. It took me a good 30 minutes or so to determine that it did indeed look better then my High Settings at 4x AA with 1080p. I can't imagine it looks better then ultra settings with 16x AA.

I think a fair assumption is that it looks 'different' - it has its own version of ultra settings (evidenced by the new texture packs and such that the DE is using - as well as the new Lara) - which to some might look better then the PC version on utlra, but to others the PC version looks better.

[Janichsan]

Frost, on 30 January 2014 - 07:02 PM, said:

PlayStation 4 to get PS1 and PS2 Emulators

Considering a better pocket calculator today can emulate a PS1 and maybe a PS2, I guess they came to the conclusion that streaming these games would be a horrible waste of bandwidth.

Sneaky Snake, on 30 January 2014 - 07:27 PM, said:

I got TR:DE today. … No TressFX. …

Really? I thought TressFX was one of the mostly touted improvements of the Definitive Edition. I also saw a comparison video between the last-gen version and the DE and there definitely was TressFX in the new version. I can't remember though which versions they compared, but I think it was PS3 and PS4.

[Smoke_Tetsu]

Seems to me that PS2 is still a tad too demanding for a pocket calculator to do... but I could be wrong about that. I think you're underestimating PS2 emulation a bit. You're absolutely right about PS1 emulation. Even my old Mac Mini could do it. But PCSX2?

PS4 might have enough to emulate PS2 though especially if they pull some low level tricks on it and they'd probably have it run the games at 1:1 settings to the original which would help. People on PC like to run all their games with improved settings but others care more about compatibility and faithfulness to the original experience they had.

OTOH Digital Foundry is saying they are reportedly targeting HD resolutions for the emulation.

[Frost]

Janichsan, on 31 January 2014 - 02:24 AM, said:

Really? I thought TressFX was one of the mostly touted improvements of the Definitive Edition.

I think he means that's how he played it on the PC. TR:DE, on the PS4 at least, definitely has TressFX.

Smoke_Tetsu, on 31 January 2014 - 03:17 AM, said:

Seems to me that PS2 is still a tad too demanding for a pocket calculator to do... but I could be wrong about that. I think you're underestimating PS2 emulation a bit. You're absolutely right about PS1 emulation. Even my old Mac Mini could do it. But PCSX2?

PS4 might have enough to emulate PS2 though especially if they pull some low level tricks on it and they'd probably have it run the games at 1:1 settings to the original which would help. People on PC like to run all their games with improved settings but others care more about compatibility and faithfulness to the original experience they had.

OTOH Digital Foundry is saying they are reportedly targeting HD resolutions for the emulation.

It's probably got more than enough horsepower for it. I remember an interview with a developer mentioning one very nice advantage the PS4 has that should come more to the forefront as time goes on is it has fantastic capability for GPGPU tasks running alongside regular GPU tasks without being overly taxing. I bet they've got a trick for using that to emulate that pesky Graphics Synthesizer properly.  CPU-wise, even the PS3 had the capability to emulate the PS2's Emotion Engine seeing as the later fat PS3s removed the EE from the motherboard and did it in software. They just had to retain the GSX.

[Janichsan]

Frost, on 31 January 2014 - 05:15 AM, said:

I think he means that's how he played it on the PC. TR:DE, on the PS4 at least, definitely has TressFX.

Ah, okay. Makes sense.

[Smoke_Tetsu]

Frost, on 31 January 2014 - 05:15 AM, said:

It's probably got more than enough horsepower for it. I remember an interview with a developer mentioning one very nice advantage the PS4 has that should come more to the forefront as time goes on is it has fantastic capability for GPGPU tasks running alongside regular GPU tasks without being overly taxing.

Perhaps, but from all accounts it seems that emulation tends to not really leverage CPGPU stuff much... (The vast majority of the work for this (and basically all other emulators) is done in software recompiling and executing code) and typically raw CPU horsepower is what it needs... and doesn't usually benefit much from multithreading (beyond 2 cores, at least PCSX2 and Dolphin don't). I'm not outright dismissing the possibility. But to me it's as if you are talking about theoretical stuff more than practical. They may very well do that and prove me wrong... who knows.

PS3 had raw GHz. Being clocked at ~3.2GHz for the Cell. PS4 has ~1.6Ghz... now I know that's an apples to oranges comparison as one CPU is a custom PowerPC CPU and the other is a custom x86-64. But so is comparing what the PS3 could do to the PS4 when it comes to CPU tasks that emulation needs.

[Sneaky Snake]

Something a little bit annoying about the PS4 is that it doesn't recognize resolutions that aren't 720p or 1080p. I have a 1600x900 monitor which I will sometimes use for gaming. The PS4 shows an image on it, but the image isn't at the native resolution - it appears to be running at 720p. When I hooked up the PS4 to my 1080p monitor both the UI and 1080p games such as TR:DE looked a lot better.