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Posted 19 June 2019 - 11:36 AM

View Postjos, on 19 June 2019 - 08:56 AM, said:



On both the Mac App Store and GOG you can just buy a game and play it without the need to first prove you actually bought a genuine version of it and then doing the same check again every once in a while. The game is installed, so you can just play it without an internet connection, make a copy of it on an external hard-drive or whatever.

This is only true for MAS apps that don't do receipt validation. Which, admittedly, is a lot of them. I've never actually seen a base app that is doing receipt validation, it is more common for iAP. Apps that have receipt validation should require sign-in on first launch with the associated apple ID if you copy to a new machine (or restored machine).

GOG, currently, lets you grab offline installers, though they keep burying them further and further in your account console.
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Posted 19 June 2019 - 12:24 PM

View Postmacdude22, on 19 June 2019 - 11:36 AM, said:


GOG, currently, lets you grab offline installers, though they keep burying them further and further in your account console.

Not wishing to go off on a tangent here, but my experiences with the GOG Galaxy app are not positive. For whatever reason it fails whenever it tries to update my installations. I have around 150 Gb free on my internal drive, but the app complains there is not enough space to update (even on tiny < Gb installations). So I use the offline installers.
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Posted 19 June 2019 - 02:38 PM

There are plenty of steam games (admittedly, mostly indie) that donít have DRM. Yes, you need to use the client to download them, but I donít see that as appreciably different from GOG where you have to log into the site.

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 05:10 PM

View PostCougar, on 19 June 2019 - 02:38 PM, said:

There are plenty of steam games (admittedly, mostly indie) that don't have DRM. Yes, you need to use the client to download them, but I don't see that as appreciably different from GOG where you have to log into the site.

On GOG, I just download the installer when buying, then back it up myself and dont have to go back to GOG again, not even for a DRM check! I can then install it on a Mac that Steam no long supports or anything I want such as offline. There is no DRM!!! Steam sucks with its intrusive DRM.

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 06:19 PM

View PostSpike, on 19 June 2019 - 05:10 PM, said:



On GOG, I just download the installer when buying, then back it up myself and dont have to go back to GOG again, not even for a DRM check! I can then install it on a Mac that Steam no long supports or anything I want such as offline. There is no DRM!!! Steam sucks with its intrusive DRM.

My point was you can do the exact same thing with Steam, except you need to have Steam installed to download your stuff. But for the many DRM free games you can back up the games yourself and install them on machines without steam.

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 08:53 PM

View PostCougar, on 19 June 2019 - 06:19 PM, said:

My point was you can do the exact same thing with Steam, except you need to have Steam installed to download your stuff. But for the many DRM free games you can back up the games yourself and install them on machines without steam.

My point was your mistaken. You cannot do anything like that with steam as it has intrusive DRM. It is not similar at all. You can only back up unusable DRM software and restore as unusable DRM and then have to run steam with its intrusive DRM to run it. You cannot back up an offline installer to install on a Mac that doesnt support steam, like I had said. With GOG, you can just run it... nothing else needed! As opposed to having to run steam every time to run anything with the DRM.

I wish steam had a way to find out those few games that can run without the DRM, but I have not been able to find out. And whats worse, is the game I am playing now HoI4 started out being able to play without the DRM, but since v1.5.2 I cannot and have to run steam now every time.

Edit: btw, HoI4 is now 64-bit with v1.7.

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Posted 20 June 2019 - 02:51 AM

Perhaps we are talking past each other. Iím not mistaken when I say that for Steamís DRM-free games, you can copy the game files wherever you want and they will work without Steam installed. In my experience, many if not most indie games work this way.

Here is a very partial list: by https://steam.fandom..._DRM-free_games

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Posted 20 June 2019 - 08:09 AM

View PostCougar, on 20 June 2019 - 02:51 AM, said:

Perhaps we are talking past each other. I'm not mistaken when I say that for Steam's DRM-free games, you can copy the game files wherever you want and they will work without Steam installed. In my experience, many if not most indie games work this way.

Here is a very partial list: by https://steam.fandom..._DRM-free_games

Yes, those few that dont have the DRM are great as obviously I was talking about the many that have DRM. That list has so many ? on Mac, ugh.

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Posted 21 June 2019 - 02:37 PM

View PostMr Pink, on 17 June 2019 - 01:42 PM, said:

Aspyr announced today, they will remove the following games from sale after today 17/06/2019:
  • BioShock Infinite
  • Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel
  • Call of Duty
  • Call of Duty 2
  • Call of Duty 4
  • Call of Duty Black Ops
  • Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2
  • Civilization IV
  • Civilization IV: Colonization
  • Doom 3
  • Duke Nukem Forever
  • Fahrenheit
  • Homeworld Remastered Collection
  • Prey
  • Quake 4
  • RAGE
  • Star Wars: Empire at War
  • Star Wars: Jedi Academy
  • Star Wars: Jedi Outcast
  • Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
  • Sims 2: Life Stories
  • Sims 2: Pet Stories
  • Sims 2: Castaway Stories
  • Tomb Raider 2
On closer inspection, it's interesting which games are not on this list: The Sims 2 Super Collection, Sim City 4, Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, and Command and Conquer: Generals for instance are all still 32-bit and still on sale. So Aspyr still seems to have plans with these games.

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Posted 21 June 2019 - 03:00 PM

Ugh, C&C:Generals. The game that basically requires multiplayer and multiplayer worked for a SINGLE OS release. I realize that Game Center was in flux but Apple never deprecated Game Center and it's networking APIs, just the UI. Given that the release was so new and Aspyr had experience with their own networking stacks (Call of Duty, etc...) I expected them to update it with a multiplayer UI but that never materialized. I gather it must not have sold enough to warrant much development but WOW I was :moreangry:
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Posted 21 June 2019 - 05:07 PM

View PostJanichsan, on 21 June 2019 - 02:37 PM, said:

On closer inspection, it's interesting which games are not on this list: The Sims 2 Super Collection, Sim City 4, Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, and Command and Conquer: Generals for instance are all still 32-bit and still on sale. So Aspyr still seems to have plans with these games.

C&C Generals, Sims 2, SimCity 4 were were fairly 'recent' re-releases from 2014/2015, so updating must be easier for them.
Updating KOTOR makes sense too, they got the iOS port, which is 64-bit and so is KOTOR II.
Jade Empire has been 64-bit from release anyway.

Seems like they dropped most of their games from 2013 and before.
But why cut Homeworld Remastered ('15), BioShock Infinite ('13) and The Pre-Sequel ('14), but then keep Borderlands 2 ('12) and Civilization V ('10)?

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 11:54 AM

View PostMr Pink, on 21 June 2019 - 05:07 PM, said:

C&C Generals, Sims 2, SimCity 4 were were fairly 'recent' re-releases from 2014/2015, so updating must be easier for them.
I don't think that played a major role: the Sims 2 spin-offs (Life Stories/Pet Stories/Castaway Stories) were all released after the Sims 2 Collection. I think it might be more due to how much money they make with these games.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 02:03 PM

View PostMr Pink, on 21 June 2019 - 05:07 PM, said:

Seems like they dropped most of their games from 2013 and before.
But why cut Homeworld Remastered ('15), BioShock Infinite ('13) and The Pre-Sequel ('14), but then keep Borderlands 2 ('12) and Civilization V ('10)?
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Posted 22 June 2019 - 02:07 PM

View PostJanichsan, on 22 June 2019 - 11:54 AM, said:

I think it might be more due to how much money they make with these games.

View PostThain Esh Kelch, on 22 June 2019 - 02:03 PM, said:

Sales.
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Posted 24 June 2019 - 01:10 PM

View Postmattw, on 30 June 2018 - 03:46 AM, said:

Given I have a disk dedicated to my games and so never really uninstall them it's probably worth me adding to this topic.

It would be great if someone can perhaps pin a post and combine all the data - also update when/if any patches arrive?

Anyway this is the list from System Report that are 32-bit and shows the scale of the issue for me. Note there might be the odd WINE wrapper in here that I missed:

Still 32-bit

8-Bit is Enough
39 Steps
99 Levels To Hell
140
Abuse
Alcatraz
American McGee’s Alice
Amnesia
Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs
AmnesiaAMFP
And Yet It Moves
Anomaly War Zone Earth
Argonaut - 2149
Asphalt 6
Assassin’s Creed 3
Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood
Auto Sport Driving
Awesomenauts
Back To The Future
Baddest Of The Bands
Balder’s Gate - Enhanced Edition
Batman Arkham Asylum
Batman: Arkham City GOTY
Battle Fleet
Battlestations Midway
Battlestations Pacific
Big Brain Wolf
Bioshock 2
Bioshock Infinite
BIT.TRIP
BlackPlague
Blackthorne
Blades Of Time
Borderlands 2
Borderlands GOTY
Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel
Boxer
Braid
Broken Sword II Remastered
Brutal Legend
Broken Sword Shadow of the Templars
Bugdom 2
Call of Duty
Call of Duty 2
Call of Duty 4 - Modern Warfare
Call of Duty: Black Ops
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
Cars
Caster
Castle of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse
Cave Story+
Civilization IV
Civilization IV Beyond the Sword
Civilization IV Warlords
Close Combat First to Fight
Closure
Cognition
Cold War
Colin McRae Rally
Command & Conquer Generals
Command and Conquer - Red Alert 3
Company of Heroes
Contraption Maker
Cortex Command b26
Crayon Physics Deluxe
D1X Rebirth
D2X Rebirth
Dangeresque 3
Dead Island
DeadCore
DeadEffect
DeathSpank
DeathSpank - Throngs of Virtue
DEFCON
Deus EX: Human Revolution - Director’s Cut
Diablo II
Diablo III Launcher
Diamond Dan
DIRT 2
DIRT 3 Complete Edition
DIRT Showdown
Doctor Who - The Adventure Games
Doctor Who - The Gunpowder Plot
Doom 3
Doomsday Engine
DOSBox
Dragon Age II
Dragon Age Origins
Dragonfall
Driver San Francisco
Drop Point Alaska
Duke Nukem Forever
Duke Nukem Manhattan Project
Duke3D
Dungeon Defenders
Dungeon Hunter Alliance
Dungeons of Dredmor
Dustforce
Brother in Arms Double Time Earned in Blood
Eets
Empire at War
Empire: Total War - Gold Edition
Enemy Engaged
Enemy Territory QUAKE Wars
English Country Tune
Enigmo
Enigmo 2
F1 2012
F1 2013
Fable - The Lost Chapters
Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy Remastered
Falcon 4.0 Allied Force
Fallout Tactics
Fast Five
FlatOut 2
Ford Racing 2
Foreign Legion
Fractal
Frozen Synapse
Game of Thrones
Gish
Glowfish
Gold Rush! Anniversary
Grand Theft Auto: 3
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Gratuitous SpaceBattles
GRID 2
GRID
Grim Fandango
Gutterball
Heathstone
Heavy Metal
Hector
Heroes of the Storm
Hexen II gl
Hexen II MP gl
Hitman: Absolution
Hitman: Sniper Challenge
Homestar Ruiner
Homeworld Remastered Collection
Hotline Miami
Indie Game The Movie
io Quake 3
Iron Sky Demo
The Binding of Isaac
Jammin Racer
Jedi Knight II
Joe Danger 2 The Movie
Journey Of A Roach
Jurassic Park
Killing Floor
Knights of the Old Republic
La-Mulana
LEGO Batman
LEGO Harry Potter
LEGO Indiana Jones
LEGO Indiana Jones 2
LEGO StarWars Saga
LEGO Batman 2 DC Super Heroes
LEGO Harry Potter Years 5-7
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
LEGO Pirates of the Caribbean
LEGO Star Wars III: The Clone Wars
LEGO The Lord of the Rings
Limbo
Little Inferno
Loom
Lugaru
Mafia II Director’s Cut
MagnetiX
Marble Arena 2
MC Domination
Melissa K and the Heart of Gold
Metro Last Light
Mini Ninjas
MirrorMoon EP
Mishap 2 collector’s Edition
MonkeyIsland
Multiwinia
Myth II
N.O.V.A 2
Nanosaur 2
Napoleon: Total War - Gold Edition
Neverwinter Nights 2
Nexuiz
Mark of the Ninja
Offspring Fling
Oni
Osmos
Otto Matic
Outland
Overlord
Pac the Mac X
Pangea Arcade
Penumbra
Penumbra: Overture
PokerNight 2
Postal 2
Prey
Prince of Persia
Prince of Persia The Sands of Time
Prince of Persia The Two Thrones
Psychonauts
Puzzle Agent
Quake 4
Quake II
R.U.S.E
Race Driver 3
Race Into Space
Racer
Racer 8
RAGE
RainSlickEp1Mac
RainSlickEp2Mac
Rayman Origins
Red Orchestra
Redline
Requiem
Riven X
Road To Hill 30
Rochard
Rocket Birds
Rome: Total War - Gold Edition
Bit.Trip Runner
SamMax201-305
Samurai II
Sanctum
ScummVM
Sega Superstars Tennis
SpaceHulk
Shadowgrounds
Shadowrun
ShadowWarrior
Shank
Shank 2
Postal 2
Shatter
Sid Meir’s Pirates!
SimCity 4 Deluxe Edition
Snapshot
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing
SpaceFarmers
SPAZ
SpecOps - The Line
Surgeon Simulator 2013
Star Front
Star Trek Online
Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy
Star Wars The Force Unleashed
Starcraft (Remastered)
Starcraft II
Steam
StrikeSuit Zero
Strong Badia the Free
Stronghold 3
StuntPlayground
SuperSplatters
SuperTux
SuperTuxKart
Survivor
Shadow Warrior Classic
SwordsAndSoldiers
Tales from the Borderlands
The 7th Guest
The Baconing
The Chronicles of Riddick - Assault on Dark Athena
The Darkness II
The Dig
The Fate of Atlantis
The Frozen Throne
The Last Crusade
The LEGO Movie Videogame
The Lord of the Rings: War in the North
The Movies Superstar
The Path - Prologue
The Penumbra Collection
The Secret of Monkey Island Special Edition
The Ur-Quan Masters
The Walking Dead 2
The Witcher
The Wolf Among Us
TheWalkingDead
ThomasWasAlone
Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell Conviction
Tomb Raider
Tomb Raider 2
Tomb Raider: Underworld
Tomb Raider: Anniversary
TorchlightMac
Total War: Shogun 2
Trauma
Trine
Trine2
Tropico 3: Gold Edition
Tropico 4: Gold Edition
Tropico5Steam
TruffleSaga
Two Worlds II
UberStrike
Unepic
Unreal Tournament 2004
Uplink
Velvet Assassin
VictorVranSteam
VirtualGP3
Walking Mars
Walking Dead Michonne
Warcraft III
Wargame
Wesnoth
Windosill
Wizorb
Wolfenstein ET
wolfmp
Wolfsp
World of Goo
WOW-4.2.1
XCOM Enemy Unknown
Zen Bound 2
Zero Hour

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 04:01 PM

Glancing over the list, 64-bit options exist now for:
Batman: Arkham City
Borderlands 2
Steam (you need to manually install the latest client)
Myth 2 (via community patch)
ScummVM
Loom (if played via ScummVM)
The Dig (if played via ScummVM)
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Posted 24 June 2019 - 06:42 PM

Baldur's Gate - Enhanced Edition, BG2 - EE, and Icewind Dale - EE are now 64 bit apps.

(Relatedly, Neverwinter Nights - EE is still 32 bit, but it's being (slowly) worked on).
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Posted 24 June 2019 - 06:55 PM

Since you're all here, here's a list of 64 bit clean games on my MacBook Pro.

ADOM
Angband
Avernum 2,3,4,5,6
Avernum - Escape from the Pit
Baldur's Gate EE
Baldur's Gate 2 EE
Balrum
Blades of Avernum (- I'm surprised about this, it's ancient)
Eye of the Beholder (GOG wrapper)
Eye of the Beholder 2 (GOG wrapper)
Fantasy General (GOG wrapper)

Icewind Dale EE
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (GOG wrapper)
Life is Strange
Moonlight Mahjong
Oolite
Space Age
Tharsis
Windward
Zac McKracken (GOG wrapper)

edit: corrected as per Janichsan's post
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Posted 25 June 2019 - 06:01 AM

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Fantasy General (GOG wrapper)
I thought their Boxer and WINE wrappers were 32-bit. How'd they do this one?!

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Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (GOG wrapper)
This one at least makes sense- the wrapper is presumably ScummVM.

Speaking of which, worth looking at the ScummVM compatibility list every now and then because they are always adding new games. Currently includes:
  • most LucasArts and Humungous Entertainment's adventure titles
  • Myst, Myst Masterpiece
  • Riven
  • many others
Their sister project ResidualVM lets you play:
  • Myst III
  • Escape From Monkey Island
  • Grim Fandango (presumably the original, not Double Fine's remastered one?)
Cyan used these wrappers for their 25th anniversary editions of Myst 1-3.
Myst IV & Myst V also have anniversary editions for Mac, which I am surprised to see because I thought Cyan specifically said they wouldn't be able to include those two? It's possible those two are still 32-bit.
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Posted 25 June 2019 - 09:06 AM

View PostMatt Diamond, on 25 June 2019 - 06:01 AM, said:

I thought their Boxer and WINE wrappers were 32-bit. How'd they do this one?!

I had to double-check that one myself. But Apple's system profiler says it's 64 bit, and it boots in Mojave without complaint. So :huh:

(I guess the real test will be on a Catalina system).
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