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In Topic: Apple CPUs to Replace Intel in Macs?

22 August 2018 - 07:36 PM

As for hardware being present in a hybrid to support both native OS X apps and iOS apps, the hardware is only part of the complete equation there. Unlike with switching GPUs, where the app runs regardless of which GPU is operating on the host operating system, an iOS app will need iOS in some form.

I don't see Apple doing that. It strikes me as a solution in search of a problem given the way the ecosystem already works.

In Topic: Apple CPUs to Replace Intel in Macs?

22 August 2018 - 07:16 PM

Frost, while what you suggest isn't impossible I guess it seems far more plausible to me that Apple will simply form the Pro and consumer lines for the Macs, going all in on their own ARM designs for the consumer systems. What they do with the Pro systems I wouldn't speculate on myself besides those continuing to be based on x86 CPUs. The rest there I wouldn't attempt to divine at this point.

In Topic: Apple CPUs to Replace Intel in Macs?

22 August 2018 - 07:10 PM

View PostMatt Diamond, on 20 August 2018 - 09:42 AM, said:

Agreed. Aside from what they've already announced, which is bring UIKit to Mac.

It's a small group when you compare it to, say, the number of mobile users. On the other hand, not so small that they didn't bother coming out with the iMac Pro. Also not so small that they haven't come out with a new "behind the Mac" ad campaign targeting those users.

So my personal opinion is that the Mac Pro line won't be going away any time soon. In its current form it's not gamer-friendly, and like you I don't see signs that Apple will change that. Sigh. Eventually the world may decide that the idea of a PC isn't necessary anymore, but I don't think we're close to that yet. Ask me again in 5 years..

Since it doesn't, then you don't have to be sorry, right?

No, in your case I don't. Glad to hear it.

I didn't mean I think the Mac Pro is going away. I think the Pro line isn't going anywhere for the foreseeable future including the Mac Pro. When I said game over, I meant for lack of a large enough target audience remaining for AAA gaming on Macs, that is going away. Not enough people will spend the money for a Pro Mac of any kind, Mini Pro, iMac Pro or Mac Pro just to add AAA gaming capability. On the other hand, the consumer line of Macs won't be even run it. I probably wasn't clear enough in how I stated that.

In Topic: Apple CPUs to Replace Intel in Macs?

19 August 2018 - 11:15 PM

I find it hard to imagine a bastardized Mac running both OS X apps and iOS apps. I don't know what the point of that would be. There must be a version of Candy Crush x Saga for OS X and everything else of import so why bother? I thought iOS on a real computer was pointless. What would it bring to the table that OS X cannot already do at least as well? The ecosystem is already connected via iCloud so what for?

On the other hand, given the above I can see an iOS MacBook easily which doesn't need an x86 CPU for most users aside of MacBook Pro users and they have an option they can spend over 6 grand on now to meet their requirements. The vast majority don't need that though. The lower tier iMacs certainly don't either. For the Pros there's the iMac Pro and I guess an upcoming Mac Pro? So, two product lines that are designed to easily work well together or separately seems like a good roadmap to me with a lot of benefit to the vast majority of Apple's customers and Apple itself certainly.

I don't buy the argument that software is an issue either. For their respective audiences, both lines would offer plenty of options to do what the device was designed for.

I know it sucks given a history of gaming on the Mac platform that goes back many years but it just makes no sense to spend on Pro hardware just to play games. I don't think it's going to make sense to even support OS X gaming in time because of who Apple targets and how. Consider how the options are already pretty poor with no improvement in sight. The iMac Pro means doom for iMacs capable of gaming that are even close to being reasonable in cost. I would expect upper tier iMacs to be phased out in time and the lineup to be similar to MacBooks today with the standard models not cutting it for gaming and the Pro models being far too expensive to justify, just to add gaming capability vs a standard model for everything else. The tiny niche group who need a Pro Mac, desktop or notebook, and play AAA video games just is not enough to support ongoing development down the road. How far down the road? I don't know naturally but I think when you see ARM MacBooks and iMacs appear it'll be game over right then and there.

If my saying that offends you or you think I am an idiot, I am sorry but I think a reaction like that is probably just the first stage of grief, namely denial and I don't blame you either. I sometimes miss the way some things used to be too but it doesn't matter. Time marches on and things change. There is no getting away from it.

I can see the Pro line and the consumer line split easily and the hardware split to go with it myself. I know some of you guys disagree and that's fine. We'll all find out soon enough but I think everyone should at least consider the possibility that what was could very possibly be going away and perhaps sooner than you think. I only glanced briefly at the last article I linked but if it is true that Apple spent money designing computers only to have to scrap those designs and create new ones because Intel failed to deliver the goods, it becomes very difficult to believe that they are not highly motivated to put a permanent end to that waste of resources and constraint. They certainly have the money to pursue other options vigorously. I just cannot imagine that they haven't already been for some time.

Back to ARM making its way in Macs now, macdude22 could better address this than I but I would think the introduction of ARM into existing Macs even before other possible changes relates to security and how Apple implements it already in iOS but maybe I am off here since I don't know how it differs technically between present Mac implementation and iOS device implementation or precisely how ARM figures into that in terms of software, hardware or both.

In Topic: Apple CPUs to Replace Intel in Macs?

19 August 2018 - 09:58 PM

I doubt Apple will have interest in hybrid Intel anything upcoming personally. They are already using ARM for coprocessing themselves although obviously not in a hybrid CPU. If they choose to move to AMD for CPUs, the hybrid design you refer to Frost might make some sense but I wouldn't know as I don't follow chip design in any detail at all. So, I don't know what the benefit of incorporating ARM on an x86 CPU as a hybrid design means in terms of benefits for say, an Apple system currently designed with both things separate on the motherboard. Presently, nothing Apple is doing with ARM in a Mac is performance intensive as far as I know. I think they use it for the strip of questionable utility on some MacBook Pros if I recall correctly. I can't remember if it's used in any other models but I am thinking maybe not presently. Of course, who knows what a future Mac design and model might entail, utilize, etc. for sure. I still think they want inhouse 100% long term to the greatest extent that makes sense for them and who they target for customers.