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#435083 Best Mac Computers for Gaming 2015

Posted Sneaky Snake on 07 July 2015 - 01:02 PM

Best Mac Computer for Gaming 2015
This article will focus on providing readers with the best Mac (both desktop and laptop) for gaming at various price points. The contents of the article are as follows:
  • Gaming on a Mac? Is This a Joke? - I will discuss why the Mac is a valid gaming platform and give links to some places you can find Mac games.
  • Understanding Computer Components in Relation to Gaming - I will explain the 3 main components (CPU, graphics card and RAM) and how they relate to gaming.
  • Best Mac Laptop for Gaming - I will go through the best pricepoints for Mac laptops in relation to gaming performance.
  • Best Mac Desktop for Gaming - I will go through the best pricepoints for Mac desktops in relation to gaming performance.
Read on to learn more!


Gaming on a Mac? Is This a Joke?
No. Mac's are very capable of running a lot of great gaming titles these days, and Mac gaming has never been better then it is right now. There have never been so many current, big name titles on the Mac, then there is today. That being said... the Mac is not a platform that Apple has designed necessarily for gaming, and as such you'll have to pay a lot more for a decently powerful Mac that you would have to if you bought a dedicated gaming PC running Windows. Also, there are many big-name titles that still haven't made it over to the Mac.

Mac gaming is a small but growing community that is started to gain serious traction in the computer gaming world. Here are a few places to find games for your Mac: Understanding Computer Components in Relation to Gaming

Graphics Processing Unit (GPU): The Most Important Factor
The primary factor of any gaming computer is the strength of the video card. No amount of RAM or CPU power can compensate for a weak video card (also known as a GPU - graphics processing unit). This means that a fast i7 chip will struggle with games if it is not paired with at least a semi-capable GPU. Mac's come equipped with GPU's from three different vendors:
  • Intel Graphics: Not to be confused with Intel CPU's, Intel has a wide range of integrated GPU's that come coupled with their CPU's. Intel's processing units are power efficient and capable of light gaming but they fall far behind in performance compared to a discrete GPU from Nvidia or AMD. Intel's integrated graphics are featured in all Mac computers, with the exception of the Mac Pro.
  • Nvidia Graphics: Nvidia is the largest GPU manufacturer on the planet with GPU's ranging from tiny Android devices all the way up to massive workstation computing units. Nvidia currently has GPUs in the mid range iMac models in the form of the 750M and 755M.
  • AMD Graphics: AMD manufacturers a wide range of products, including GPU's, and are the second largest GPU manufacturer in the world. Apple has selected AMD as the current provider of high-end graphics options for the Mac. The iMac 5K, 15" Retina Macbook Pro and Mac Pro all utilize AMD graphics as the best configurable graphics option.
When comparing Intel, Nvidia and AMD graphics it should be a general rule of thumb that AMD and Nvidia will always be superior to Intel in terms or graphics (and therefore gaming) performance. Currently Apple does not offer any high end options from Nvidia, and as such AMD graphics are the most powerful option available to Mac computers.

Central Processing Unit (CPU): Important Up to a Certain Level
The CPU is responsible for processing a wide range of different computer functions, including many parts of a game such as the AI, physics, game logic and more. It is important the a CPU achieves a base level of performance in order to not bottleneck the GPU when it comes to a game's total performance. To keep things simple I am going to say that any i5 or i7 CPU that is faster then 2.5 GHz is "good enough" for gaming on a Mac. Faster speeds will benefit, but once the CPU is at the 2.5 GHz or faster level, it is better to spend money on a faster GPU instead of a faster CPU.

RAM: Just Make Sure You Have Enough
RAM (Random Access Memory) is where your computer loads the game files for quick access when you are playing a game. 8 GB is the recommended amount of RAM for most modern games. Many games are even playable on 4 GB's of RAM. Your computer requires a certain amount of RAM in order to load the game files into, and once it has enough it does not (and cannot) use anymore. 16 GB of RAM will give you zero performance benefit over 8 GB in 99% of gaming situations.

Cost Has Nothing to Do With Power
A common misconception with a lot of computer buyers is that more expensive equals better performance. Spending more money can be more powerful, but it's extremely important that you look at the components that make up a computer and decide whether or not it makes sense for you. For example, the new Macbook that Apple released (the super-thin one) costs around $1500 and is TERRIBLE at gaming, and that's okay. It is not a gaming machine and should not be used as one. The $700 Mac Mini (see below) destroys it in terms of power.

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Best Mac Gaming Laptop for the Budget (Macbook, Macbook Air, Macbook Pro)
This section will focus on providing the best budget points for getting a Mac laptop for gaming. If gaming is your primary focus I don't recommend spending in between these price points, as there is no real gaming performance gain in between them.

Best Laptop for $1300: 13" Retina Macbook Pro with 2.7 GHz i5 CPU and Intel Iris Graphics 6100: Apple Store Link
This Mac is really the minimum of what it takes to run modern games at somewhat acceptable settings. The Intel Iris 6100 graphics are considerably faster then the previous generation Iris graphics (found in the Mac Mini).

Expect to play modern games at low-medium settings at 1080p resolution.

Best Laptop for $2500: 15" Retina Macbook Pro with 2.5 GHz i7 CPU and AMD Radeon R9 M370X: Apple Store Link
This is the only Mac laptop with a dedicated GPU. It will perform much faster then the Intel Iris Graphics 6100 and is the most powerful Mac laptop you can buy. When compared with desktop Mac computers (see below) this will perform roughly identical to the $1800 iMac.

Expect to play modern games at medium-high settings at 1080p resolution.




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Best Mac Gaming Desktop for the Budget (Mac Mini, iMac, iMac 5K, Mac Pro)
This section will focus on providing the best budget points for getting a Mac desktop for gaming. If gaming is your primary focus I don't recommend spending in between these price points, as there is no real gaming performance gain in between them.

Best Desktop for $700: Mac Mini with 2.6 GHz i5 CPU and Intel Iris Graphics: Apple Store Link
This is the cheapest price point that has a capable CPU and somewhat capable graphics. The 2.6 GHz CPU coupled with the the Intel Iris graphics will offer a playable performance from most modern games (the most demanding titles will struggle to run, even at low settings). Note: you will have to purchase a monitor, keyboard and mouse in order to use the Mac Mini

Expect to play games at low settings at 1080p resolution.

Best Desktop for $1500: iMac with 2.9 GHz i5 CPU and Nvidia GeForce GT 750M: Apple Store Link
This is the first Mac desktop that contains a dedicated graphics card and will perform much faster then both the Mac Mini and the 13" Macbook Pro.

Expect to play games at medium-high settings at 1080p resolution.

Best Desktop for $2000: iMac 5K with 3.3 GHz i5 CPU and AMD Radeon R9 M290: Apple Store Link
This iMac will perform considerably faster then the $1500 version and surpass the 15" Retina Macbook Pro in performance. The M290 will be able to power nearly all modern games with decent graphics settings.

Expect to play games at high settings at 1080p resolution.

Best Desktop for $2550: iMac 5K with 3.5 GHz i5 CPU and AMD Radeon R9 M295X: Apple Store Link
This iMac is the most powerful gaming iMac having roughly 15% more graphics power then the $2000 iMac. Paying extra for the faster CPU is not recommended as it will be of no benefit in virtually all games. Note:the M295X graphics card must be specifically selected during the configuration process.

Expect to play games at high-ultra settings at 1080p resolution.

Best Desktop for $3000+: None (Honorable Mention: Mac Pro with 3.3 GHz Xeon CPU and Dual AMD FirePro D700)
The step up from the iMac line is the Mac Pro. The problem with the Mac Pro for gaming is that it is meant as a productivity machine and not a gaming machine. The CPU and GPU in the Mac Pro are certainly powerful, but they are both extremely expensive parts that aren't really designed for gaming. The $4000 Mac Pro with 3.3 GHz Xeon CPU and D700 graphics (fastest available) is only slightly faster then the top end iMac in gaming, while costing $1500 more and not coming with a beautiful 27" display.

If the Mac user is running bootcamp the dual GPU's can be combined to nearly double graphics performance, but if the user is willing to utilize Windows for gaming, then why spend $4000 on a Mac Pro? Get a gaming PC for $1000 instead that will have equal gaming performance.

The Mac Pro is a similar to a powerful Clydesdale horse, while a gaming computer is like a race horse. Both types of horses are fast/powerful in their own way, but they have completely different strengths and uses.



Leave a comment below with any questions or thoughts you might have!


#438500 'Twas the Night after Christmas

Posted Frost on 26 December 2015 - 04:00 AM

'Twas the night after Christmas, when all through the site
Not a poster was typing, not even a Snake
the Battle Cat was stuffed by the misses with hair
In hopes that his hairballs would soon bring gasps for air
The posters were nestled snug in their chairs
While dreams of Mac Games danced ‘neath their hairs
And DaveyJJ with his maple leaf and Frost with his star,
Wished each other Merry Birthmas, knowing more fun was not far
When on Frost's keyboard there arose such a clatter
After he sprung from his bed to see what was the matter.
Away to the Moderator's Window he flew like a flash
clicked Warn and Flag Spammer and a Russian's hopes were soon dashed
The monitor on his half-rested face did glow,
Brightened the sneer over another spammer laid low.
When, what to his startled eyes should appear
But an army of WoW Gold sellers, who DDoSed him and cheered.
What hairball flew by that was so fuzzy and fat
They knew in a moment it must be the Battle Cat.
More rapid than Frigidman and Tuncer he came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called the Moderators by name:
Now! Whaleman, now! Brixton, now! Tesseract and Eric,
“On! Davey, on! Frost, on! macdude and Janich!”
To the top of the page! To the top left bar!
Now ban away! Ban away! Ban away all!
As dead sprites before the RAM buffer vanish
The copper of the army’s fat pipes did tarnish
So back ‘cross the ocean the spammers flew
Each conspicuously named for a country– even the Vatican too.
And then in a twinkling, Tuncer appeared with a spark
To open the Mac Game Store with sales before dark!
As the earliest posters began to arise
Cheap Mac Games tempted them and danced ‘fore their eyes!
With Aspyr, and Feral, and Virtual Programming too
Soon hard drives were filling with gaming so true!
He laughed as he sold them in spite of Steam
But his servers were taxed and lo they did scream.
With a wink of an eye and a twist of his head
Frigidman let Tuncer know there was nothing to dread.
He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
Then kicked IPB with a neat little smirk.
And laying a finger on his enter key
He deployed a quick fix for all to see.
With the servers humming and forum safe
the Battle Cat swallowed the hairballs he had used to strafe.
He sprung to his cat tree, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew, like the down of a thistle!
But I heard Frost exclaim, ere he turned out his lights –
Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good night!


#439982 tBC IRL

Posted macdude22 on 01 April 2016 - 08:34 AM

Finally companies are targeting this hungry market.

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http://www.adagio.co...fts/kitTEA.html


#439854 Answer questions for the Feral newsletter!

Posted EllieFeral on 21 March 2016 - 04:17 AM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on 18 March 2016 - 08:50 AM, said:

At the risk of being eternally reviled in your March newsletter... I have never played a Total War game!  I'm just not a fan of resource management and strategy games.

*Featured quote*


#436081 What games are people playing these days!?

Posted Thain Esh Kelch on 26 August 2015 - 08:40 AM

View Postthe Battle Cat, on 25 August 2015 - 01:54 PM, said:

Dude, you call yourself a father?  You call yourself a role model to your child???  You should be playing Marathon with her in your lap.  It's never too soon to introduce children to the venerable classics.  I want her first words to be "Frog blast the vent core!"  Now go, you know what to do.
I know, I know. But I also have to teach her to focus on her back log, and I was playing The Witcher when she was born! It is quite evident from this forum, that back logs wasn't a problem when our parents were raising us, so we never learned about it. But now that I finished that game, I can teach her how to game properly!

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#434240 Apple does more damage to Macs than anything

Posted DirtyHarry50 on 15 May 2015 - 05:25 PM

I am annoyed that Apple refuses to make a tricked out desktop gaming rig with a cool case that has flaming apples on the sides and a special version of OS X where NOTHING is flat. I'd like this system to be a small tower but big enough to accommodate a full sized GPU card. The system should feature easy access for upgrades and repairs. The system specs should feature top end components selected with gaming in mind. It should come with 3 years of AppleCare standard. I would prefer it to be priced just slightly over the Mac Mini line. Apple has more money than they know what to do with. It is time that they gave back to the community, the neglected gaming community in particular.

I am a reasonable man. I only want what is fair.


#447274 Feral's upcoming project?

Posted edddeduck on 18 November 2017 - 01:27 PM

View PostTrautman, on 16 November 2017 - 10:41 PM, said:

DiRT Rally for Mac works great. But there are not several video settings (Advanced Ambient Occlusion, Smoke Shadows & Advanced Blending).

Smoke Shadows & Advanced Blending are special Windows specific features written by Intel that are not exposed on Mac OS X.

I don't recall exactly why Advanced Ambient Occlusion isn't available right now but it's either also an Intel feature like above or the it could have been causing GPU restarts / kernel panics and would have been removed for stability reasons.

View Postjeannot, on 17 November 2017 - 12:30 PM, said:

Apparently, the Mac version of the game can't be set to windowed mode. The PC version can. :unsure:
While the game runs fine (and it should, as I basically have the fastest Mac), performance under boot camp is 30-50% better.

Our application takes advantage of running in "detached mode" so that the window compositor is bypassed which should result in a smoother experience. A requirement on running in detached mode is that the application is fullscreen. As soon as you enable Windowed mode you can't use detached mode.

With regards to performance, I would be interested as to which GPU you are testing on, for AMD GPUs anything below 20% performance disparity is very unusual for us to see on any of our Metal games. Depending on the setting, if framerate is above 120fps (which is quite possible on DiRT Rally with it's engine), we are capped at 120 by the OS, irrespective of the Vsync interval or cap set by the application, which would massively skew comparisons to Windows at lower settings.

With recommended mode we run a stable and consistent capped framerate in all scenarios, and we have done this for every single supported Mac in the range, which we see as far more important that maximum framerate, when running on a 60Hz screen. By making the frame rate stable and not rendering frames you'll never see on a 60Hz screen it allows us to thermal temperatures down which in turn means you'll get consistent performance over extended gameplay. This means a cooler Mac and your batteries will last longer too if you're a laptop.

If you think you have a bug with DiRT Rally then please do contact our support with a support report attached and we'll investigate your issue.


#441775 Opinion: The Abysmal State of the Mac in 2016

Posted Sneaky Snake on 07 August 2016 - 08:17 PM

Opinion: The Abysmal State of the Mac in 2016

2016 is over halfway through and the Macintosh line of computers has been all but abandoned by Apple it seems. The Macbook Pro last saw an update in May of 2015, which is eons ago in the tech world. Despite the current 16 month wait now for an update, there seems to be nothing imminent on the Mac rumors websites. Apple seems to be all in on the iPad Pro and Emoji’s this year, leaving the company too stretched to do anything at all with their computer line.
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The MacRumors Mac Buyer's Guide as of August 7th, 2016


Old and Outdated Hardware is the Common Theme

It would be too lengthy of an article to go through every product line to explain why it is outdated, so I will focus on the Macbook Pro. The Macbook Pro, the signature Apple notebook experience, does not feature that latest and greatest hardware in nearly any way. Apple’s failure to update to Intel Skylake’s architecture means slower compute power, slower graphics, worse battery life, and no Thunderbolt 3.

CPU: The MBP’s CPU is based on the Broadwell architecture, which was replaced by Skylake back in late 2015 and Intel’s “Kaby Lake” architecture is due out this fall. In a few months Broadwell will be 2 generations behind.

Graphics: The MBP’s graphics chip (Intel Iris 6100) has been replaced has the Iris 540 in the Skylake generation (With options for even faster integrated graphics such as the Iris 550 and 580). The Iris 540 is approximately 15% faster then the HD 6100. Graphics speed is something that the Retina screens desperately need.

RAM: Intel Skylake platform also brings DDR4 RAM, which has substantially higher speeds than DDR3. RAM speed is particularly important when using integrated graphics (which the Macbook Pro uses in nearly all configerations)

Thunderbolt 3/USB C: Thunderbolt 3 has been a thing in PC notebooks for months now (Dell XPS series, Razer Blade Stealth). Thunderbolt 3 has double the bandwidth of Thunderbolt 2 (40 Gbps vs 20 Gbps), which allows for high-bandwidth peripherals such as external graphics adapters.

Body/Design: The Retina Macbook Pro was released in 2012 and since then has not received any body/design updates. I don't think that the machine looks bad or dated by any means but 4 years on the same platform is a little too long and Apple could incorporate at least some minor design updates to improve the machine such as: smaller screen margins, thinner, bigger battery, re-designed cooling system, slot for M.2 drive, etc.

A simple socket update to Skylake would not have been a challenging proposition. All of the major PC OEM’s such as Dell, HP, and Lenovo have been shipping Skylake since as early as Fall 2015. Apple saw fit to update the new single-port Macbook to Skylake, but didn’t want to spend the time to upgrade the Pro/Air. Apple is the only major PC manufaturer to not update their product line to Skylake.

Last Updated 1.5 Years Ago...

The entire Mac lineup (with the exception of the Macbook) has a "Don't Buy" rating from MacRumors meaning that updates are supposed to be imminent. Here is when the Mac linup was last updated:
  • Macbook: 111 days (relatively recently - the only Mac with this status)
  • iMac: 300 days
  • Macbook Pro: 447 days (this marks the longest update gap in recent history for the Macbook Pro. The previous longest gap was 294 days)
  • Macbook Air: 518 days (also the longest gap in recent history for the Macbook Air. The previous longest gap was 350 days since the Macbook Air was re-designed in 2010)
  • Mac Mini: 662 days (Surprisingly, this isn't the longest gap - which was 723 days. The Mac Mini has often been a disowned device by Apple)
  • Mac Pro: 963 days (December 2013 was the last update. Creative professionals who are willing to drop $5000+ on a desktop are thrilled to be purchasing 3 year old hardware I'm sure)
Average numbers of days for last Mac update: 500 days (nearly 1.5 years).

The iPad Pro is Receiving the Marketing Push from Apple

The iPad Pro is the product that is receiving the most marketing push from Apple when it comes to the professional space. Take a look at Apple’s recent video ad for the iPad Pro:



One has to wonder if Apple is intentionally holding off on updating it’s Mac product line so as to give the iPad Pro more time in the limelight. The iPad Pro is great for content consumption and very basic content creation. Anything beyond that requires a real computer.

Apple’s Approach to the Mac Makes it Seem Like They Lack the Resources

One of the most prominent excuses that I hear for Apple not upgrading the Mac product line is that the iPhone makes them so much more money. It is a true statement that the iPhone trumps the Mac in terms of total sales (the iPhone represented 65% of Apple’s revenue versus 10.1% for the Mac in Q2 2016. Source) but the Mac is still making Apple billions of dollars each year (and billions more then the iPad makes them, which represents 8.5% of their revenue). The problem with this argument is that it makes the assumption that Apple does not have the resources to target multiple platforms simultaneously.  

Apple is one of the most valuable companies in the world with vast resources for any number of projects. Apple’s revenue dwarfs other technology companies such as Dell, Lenovo, Google, and HP and yet it seems like those are the companies that are coming out with interesting new designs and innovation every year. What has Apple done to excite in the technology market in 2016? Some new Emoji's for iOS?

Instead of innovation we see many of their product lines stagnating while they push product updates towards the lines that they think we should care the most about. The new one-port Macbook received an architecture update to Skylake this spring . Also in the spring we saw the release of the 9.7” iPad Pro. This fall we will surely see the release of the iPhone 7. The Macbook Pro, Macbook Air, iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro are all sitting on out dated hardware in at least one way. Apple it is time to care about those who use Macs for productivity.

Tim, in the extremely slim chance that you see this, please speed up the Macbook Pro update. I need a new work laptop, and the Dell XPS 13 is looking mighty tempting in the meantime.


#441127 WWDC 2016 iOS and macOS Games and Graphics Thread

Posted Thain Esh Kelch on 15 June 2016 - 12:06 PM

View PostIrishman, on 15 June 2016 - 09:16 AM, said:

Come to find out, Apple does have a graphics and games technologies evangelist!

He's listed at the end of one of the Metal sessions.

Allan Schaffer is his name and you can reach him here: aschaffer@apple.com
Oh yeah, that guy has a very nice broom closet office, furthest away from where Tim sits.


#438889 MacGameStore iOS App rejected (approved!)

Posted Frigidman™ on 22 January 2016 - 03:53 PM

It got approved!

After a lot of back n forth and elevations and stuff ;)


#438811 MacGameStore iOS App rejected (approved!)

Posted Frigidman™ on 16 January 2016 - 11:20 AM

Apple called and said we were rejected because of “Apps utilizing a system other than the In-App Purchase API (IAP) to purchase content, functionality, or services in an App will be rejected.”

We then asked "Then how does Steam and Amazon get away with it…"

She said “It wouldn’t be approiate to discuss other apps.”

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#436059 Ubislop bails on another game

Posted Frigidman™ on 25 August 2015 - 07:02 AM

https://support.ubi....30000000enVvCAI

The Settlers 7 will apparently just stop working this coming october. So nice of them to have such a horrible DRM system that they can just give up on a game and reject it from all who bought and enjoy playing it still.

Yet another reason why I absolutely hate Ubipopsnizzle.


#432210 The MacGameStore Holiday Sale has begun!

Posted Frigidman™ on 19 December 2014 - 10:58 AM

MacGameStore

The Holiday Sale includes hundreds of popular (and unpopular?) games on sale! All manner of stuff to get for your beloved, hated, or friend or otherwise.

Every day there will be flash sales, so be sure to keep an eye on that section. Something you are waiting for could drop like a rock in price!

Also, a bundle of games will be showcased on the home. New bundles are planned throughout the two weeks of sales.


#431761 Shutting Down Inside Mac Games

Posted Frost on 22 November 2014 - 03:37 PM

As a small business owner myself...

I say, if there's sufficient cash for it, go for #3. If not, kill the IMG site and kill the MGS forums and merge the IMG forum with the MGS.

An active, friendly community forum for a dead news site and a dead forum for an active retail store site, all run by the same entity, makes extremely little sense both from a business and a workload perspective. I would like to see IMG survive, but if worse comes to worst, taking the active site and pairing it with the active forum seems the best option.

EDIT: And if you DO do that... for the love of all that is holy, don't just tell everyone here to move. This place's long history of discussion and problems solved makes it a cornucopia for searches. That's a big asset.


#428877 Steam Summer Sale '14

Posted macdude22 on 19 June 2014 - 02:02 PM

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#447364 Deus Ex: Mankind Divided for macOS now in final stages of development

Posted EllieFeral on 29 November 2017 - 05:12 AM

Hi IMG, hope you don't mind me creating a new thread for this; but a lot of people have been asking for an update, and now that we have some I want to make sure it reaches the people who asked. :)

We know you are hotly anticipating Deus Ex: Mankind Divided on macOS. So we are pleased to confirm that not only are we now in the final stages of development, but also that Deus Ex: Mankind Divided will be polished with Apple’s Metal 2 graphics technology.

Please be aware that despite our best efforts, we couldn’t get Mankind Divided to run well enough on Intel and Nvidia graphics cards. Therefore, the initial release will support AMD graphics cards only.

The game is coming to the Feral Store and Steam. Full system requirements and a release date will be revealed closer to launch.


#446755 Aspyr's upcoming projects

Posted Matt Diamond on 07 October 2017 - 05:59 PM

View PostMr Pink, on 07 October 2017 - 09:07 AM, said:

A colon can make quite a difference, you know.

Not having a colon can make an even bigger difference.


#446681 Feral's upcoming project?

Posted Mr Pink on 02 October 2017 - 09:17 AM

There are two new Mac Games on the Radar:
A Life in Four Books (coming very soon for Mac)
O Vain Illusion of Glory and Grandeur (coming quite soon for Mac & Linux)

'A Life in Four Books' is the subtitle of the dystopian novel 'Lanark', by Alasdair Gray, the picture shows the cover of said book.
Going with the dystopian theme, 'Bioshock 2 Remastered' is a possibility.
Actually, Colin McRae was born in the Scottish town of Lanark, so this could also be 'DiRT 4'.

'O Vain Illusion of Glory and Grandeur', is an aria in the 3rd act of the opera 'The Legend of the Invisible City of Kitezh and the Maiden Fevroniya', by Rimsky-Korsakov, the picture is the cover of the compilation album Greatest Hits: Rimsky-Korsakov.
The city of Kitezh is a central part of 'Rise of the Tomb Raider'.


#446639 Deus Ex: Mankind Divided™ – Announcement trailer

Posted Matt Diamond on 28 September 2017 - 01:01 PM

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Of course I'm just one person and they won't miss my $50 or so. But that's a poor attitude.


You're condemning them for an attitude that you have projected on to them. You think they aren't aware that the delay is costing them sales? You think they don't care?

My hat is off to you for trying to support the Mac port. And I don't judge you at all for buying the PS4 version. I doubt anyone here does.

I just think you should try to take the lack of information from Feral less personally. When they say they are trying to figure out what they CAN say, and then struggle, I take it at face value. Maybe there's a legal issue. Maybe they don't know the final system requirements because Apple won't commit to fixing a Metal 1 bug. I heard one Mac game port was delayed for a couple months simply because one person who worked for the PC publisher was slow to sign off on the gold master. The Mac publisher couldn't throw the license-owner under a bus so they just had to grit their teeth, stay quiet, and get yelled at by a bunch of Mac gamers.

The point is, there are some things Mac publishers can't talk about, and others that they won't. We don't know which is happening in this case. And if Feral even has a choice, maybe we'd agree with their decision if we knew all the facts.

Anyway, you did your best. You let them know that you want an update and you gave them time to respond. You showed a great deal of restraint waiting as long as you did. Now go enjoy your game!


#444585 Mac Upgrade path for a gamer?

Posted Jan on 03 February 2017 - 11:52 AM

I have a working MacBook Pro 13" Late 2016 + eGPU in an Akitio Thunderbolt 3 enclosure setup. Currently a RX460, next week the RX480 with 8 GB of GDDR5 RAM. Working surprisingly stable. All you need is a few terminal commands and the TB3 enable script. macOS natively supports AMD's latest Polaris GPUs out of the box. A viable option for Mac gamers. ikir might agree. ;)